3.2Ghz Pentium G3258 Overclocked To 6.8Ghz

[cbn]

I don't understand why people think the entry level i7-5820K would be so expensive?

Isn't technology supposed to get better for the same price as time goes by?

 

[richierich1212]

Inflation? No competition either, unfortunately.

 

[crashtech]

At the present time, a hexcore with per-core performance inferior to a mainstream i7 carries a substantial price premium. The 4930K is about $96 per core compared to $85 per core for the 4790K. I expect this to continue, though to a lesser extent, since this time octacores will be in the mix, garnering the highest per-core premiums overall.

 

[cbn]

And then you could have a 8-core 14nm die that is smaller than Broadwell Quad Core + GT3 iGPU next year. Do you push enthusiasts to HEAD platform and make more profit or stay at mainstream and keep the GPU market share ??

Another thing to consider is whether or not Intel will optimize the process technology on the mainstream socket for mobile (we already are seeing the beginnings of this with Haswell's 22nm xtor vs. Ivy Bridge's 22nm xtor).

If we see a more a "more optimized for mobile" mainstream desktop, then I assume Intel will use various strategies to entice us to move over to the big socket desktop (presently called HEDT). Maybe a Core i5 version of the hexcore? More affordable quad cores (with no iGPU) priced lower than what we see today. Maybe another lower cost chipset to go along with that big LGA socket.

Before this happens though, I would like to see Intel go all out with various unlocked dual cores. (Celeron, Pentium, Core i3, etc.)

 

[VirtualLarry]

Before this happens though, I would like to see Intel go all out with various unlocked dual cores. (Celeron, Pentium, Core i3, etc.)

But not on the HEDT platform, because that would make no sense. Cheap chips, with the packaging and chipset price overhead of 2011-3 and X99?

Would you have bought a brand-new X48 motherboard with then-new DDR3, just to overclock an E2140, or a Celeron 440 (single-core)?

 

[cbn]

Before this happens though, I would like to see Intel go all out with various unlocked dual cores. (Celeron, Pentium, Core i3, etc.)

But not on the HEDT platform, because that would make no sense. Cheap chips, with the packaging and chipset price overhead of 2011-3 and X99?

Oh yes, I definitely agree with you. Quad core minimum for the future "cost reduced" Big socket stuff.

With respect to unlocked Celeron, Pentium, i3 dual cores, I was meaning what we now call the mainstream socket, before they become obsolete for LGA desktop.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Oh yes, I definitely agree with you. Quad core minimum for the future "cost reduced" Big socket stuff.

With respect to unlocked Celeron, Pentium, i3 dual cores, I was meaning what we now call the mainstream socket, before they become obsolete for LGA desktop.

Oh, mainstream socket? That would be cool, before the low-end gets completely replaced by Atom CPUs on the desktop.

 

[cbn]

Oh, mainstream socket? That would be cool, before the low-end gets completely replaced by Atom CPUs on the desktop.

Maybe some kind of high clocked BGA "Core series cpu" dual core eventually obsoletes atom on the low end?

In that way I could see the Intel "Big core" living on in dual core format.

 

[cbn]

My Pentium 3258/MSI Z97 U3 plus motherboard combo arrived yesterday.

So far it has passed Prime 95 testing ( almost 10 hours before I stopped the test manually) at 4.5 Ghz using 1.35 volts Vcore in an open air environment. To eliminate or reduce any heat contribution from the iGPU, my monitors connected to a discrete video card.

Temps using Speedfan to monitor were mid to high 70s with no throtting of clockspeed (except at the very beginning of the test, maybe this was because the cooler was new installation?). Ambient temperature was around 25 Celcius.

Later on, I will probably test with reduced voltage (as well as installed in case) but so far this processor/cooler combination has really impressed me.

 

[crashtech]

Mine should be here before the weekend, but the ambients in my work area are really high this time of year. I'm not optimistic about any prize winning runs, especially not at 1.35V.

cbn, if you feel like doing me the favor, run Cinebench 11.5 on your 3258 and post your results here!

 

[Techhog]

At the present time, a hexcore with per-core performance inferior to a mainstream i7 carries a substantial price premium. The 4930K is about $96 per core compared to $85 per core for the 4790K. I expect this to continue, though to a lesser extent, since this time octacores will be in the mix, garnering the highest per-core premiums overall.

But in order for that to not change, they'd have to make the entry-level HEDT CPU cost more than $510 dollars. I don't see them doing that just to keep the cost per core high. That would do them more harm than good.

 

[richierich1212]

Setting up my G3258 + GA-B85M-DS3H. Came with F3 BIOS, dated 4/9/14 and doesn't let me overclock yet. Currently updating to BIOS F6b. Under load my vid is 1.053v. Idles at 24w (2x4GB G.Skill Sniper Low Voltage 1600, Coolermaster GX-450w, only 1 SSD), loads at 48w.

 

[cbn]

Setting up my G3258 + GA-B85M-DS3H. Came with F3 BIOS, dated 4/9/14 and doesn't let me overclock yet. Currently updating to BIOS F6b. Under load my vid is 1.053v. Idles at 24w (2x4GB G.Skill Sniper Low Voltage 1600, Coolermaster GX-450w, only 1 SSD), loads at 48w.

It will be very interesting to find out if they give Vcore adjustments options with that one.

(Certainly it appears the stock cooler is up to accepting additional voltage, at least in an open air environment with fairly cool summer ambient temps)

 

[richierich1212]

VCore only goes up to 1.2v on this board, sad. I can hit 3.9GHz 1.048vcore with this batch 3412B733 chip, using the iGPU. 4GHz needs a big jump using 1.2v (Nevermind, just froze during Prime95). Looks like I'm limited with this certain CPU + mobo combo.

 

[cbn]

VCore only goes up to 1.2v on this board, sad. I can hit 3.9GHz 1.048vcore with this batch 3412B733 chip, using the iGPU. 4GHz needs a big jump using 1.2v (Nevermind, just froze during Prime95). Looks like I'm limited with this certain CPU + mobo combo.

1.2 volts is actually pretty good for voltage control.

In fact, Hexus hit 4.4 Ghz (also overclocking the iGPU from 1100 Mhz to 1400 Mhz as well) using 1.2 volts with the stock cooling on their 3258 ES.

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/70977-intel-pentium-anniversary-edition-g3258/?page=2

Hmmm, I wonder if there is some other setting you need to change to get a better clock.

P.S. I forgot to mention in my post, but I also boosted CPU ring voltage to 1.25 volts during my first overclock.

 

[crashtech]

But in order for that to not change, they'd have to make the entry-level HEDT CPU cost more than $510 dollars. I don't see them doing that just to keep the cost per core high. That would do them more harm than good.

I agree, but I think the price premium will continue, though to a lesser extent as stated. I think it would be weird for Intel to suddenly decide to give away high performance technology at mainstream prices when there is nobody that can touch then performance-wise. I can't think of any vendor I do business with that would do that. If you want the best, you have to pay, no matter what it is.

 

[cbn]

Currently priming (about 1 hour into the run) at 4.5 Ghz with 1.3 volts vcore and 1.25 cpu ring voltage.

Ambient: ~20C

Open Air

There was no throttling of any sort at the beginning of the test like the first one.

CPU temps are currently high 60s.

 

[Techhog]

I agree, but I think the price premium will continue, though to a lesser extent as stated. I think it would be weird for Intel to suddenly decide to give away high performance technology at mainstream prices when there is nobody that can touch then performance-wise. I can't think of any vendor I do business with that would do that. If you want the best, you have to pay, no matter what it is.

Again, you still need to buy a more expensive board and DDR4 RAM for it. $350-400 seems reasonable.

 

[crashtech]

Again, you still need to buy a more expensive board and DDR4 RAM for it. $350-400 seems reasonable.

I don't see any evidence that Intel considers other components of HEDT systems when determining their price premiums. Seriously, in a way high costs for these bleeding-edge systems may eventually spur a competitor to enter the HEDT arena, or whatever it shall be called once that happens. Until then it's Intel calling the shots, unfortunately or not.

 

[Techhog]

I don't see any evidence that Intel considers other components of HEDT systems when determining their price premiums. Seriously, in a way high costs for these bleeding-edge systems may eventually spur a competitor to enter the HEDT arena, or whatever it shall be called once that happens. Until then it's Intel calling the shots, unfortunately or not.

I was looking at it in terms of market segmentation, actually. We just have different views on this.

 

[crashtech]

I was looking at it in terms of market segmentation, actually. We just have different views on this.

I'm more than willing to learn those views, but if they involve irrational altruism in regard to a luxury item, I may not be terribly receptive.

 

[VirtualLarry]

VCore only goes up to 1.2v on this board, sad. I can hit 3.9GHz 1.048vcore with this batch 3412B733 chip, using the iGPU. 4GHz needs a big jump using 1.2v (Nevermind, just froze during Prime95). Looks like I'm limited with this certain CPU + mobo combo.

That's disappointing on the voltage limitation. Is that just a limitation of the "manual" setting? Can you set the voltage on AUTO, crank the multi to 45x, and check CPU-Z for voltage?

Kind of strange, considering that board has the 8-pin CPU power connector.

 

[richierich1212]

Yeah I tried setting voltage on auto and then cranking multi to 42x-43x-etc...It doesn't want to boot past Windows start up logo.

On another note: Since that first combo was slightly disappointing, I setup another sytem; G3258, MSI Z97 U3 Plus, NZXT Source 210 Case, G. Skill Sniper lv 1600, 64GB Crucial M4 SSD (same SSD as before) and Rosewill Arc M550 Bronze PSU. Initial boot was fine, I don't know how my BIOS Flash got screwed up because now my system won't POST. So aggravating, this is the first time ever with a bad BIOS flash.

 

[cbn]

Currently priming (about 1 hour into the run) at 4.5 Ghz with 1.3 volts vcore and 1.25 cpu ring voltage.

Ambient: ~20C

Open Air

There was no throttling of any sort at the beginning of the test like the first one.

CPU temps are currently high 60s.

The above run was successful with no throttling throughout the test.

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Currently priming at 4.6 Ghz (stock cooler) with 1.3 volts vcore and 1.25 cpu ring voltage.

Ambient: ~ 18C

Open Air

CPU temps are currently high 60s.(sometimes hitting 70 or 71C)

 

[Techhog]

The above run was successful with no throttling throughout the test.

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Currently priming at 4.6 Ghz (stock cooler) with 1.3 volts vcore and 1.25 cpu ring voltage.

Ambient: ~ 18C

Open Air

CPU temps are currently high 60s.(sometimes hitting 70 or 71C)

I wish the quad cores could stay that cool. lol