2nd Whistleblower May Come Forward On Trump's Ukraine Call

[JEDIYoda]

second intelligence official with even more direct information on President Donald Trump’s efforts to pressure Ukraine into meddling in the presidential election may come forward to Congress, The New York Times reported Friday night.


This potential whistleblower reportedly has firsthand knowledge of the White House’s interactions with Ukraine and was interviewed by the intelligence community’s inspector general during an investigation into the first whistleblower’s complaint about a July 25 call with the president of Ukraine.


The Times cited two people who had been briefed on the matter in its report.


This second intelligence official is considering bringing their own whistleblower complaint to Congress, though they haven’t yet done so.

okay let us take ma count -- Onr whistleblower that we know of.....
a second whistleblower as I posted in another thread....
also a possible IRS whistleblower who needs to decide whether to become a whistleblower…..

So what is it with all these whistleblowers and what of the saying if it looks like.....and it smells like and in the presidents case and it is afdmitted to in public....it must be _____ <--- insert your chosen word!!

2nd Whistleblower May Come Forward On Trump's Ukraine Call

Another official with more information on the White House's Ukraine plans is thinking about filing a whistleblower complaint, The New York Times reports.

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A potential second whistleblower would further implicate Trump. The first complaint said he abused his power by pressuring Ukraine’s president to dig up information on former Vice President Joe Biden, now a Democratic presidential rival.


The report of a second government official with even more information may add fuel to the House impeachment investigation.


Also on Friday night, the House Oversight Committee issued a subpoena to the White House, ordering the Trump administration to hand over documents on its contacts with Ukraine. And earlier Friday, three House committees called on Vice President Mike Pence to submit similar documents.


Government employees who work in intelligence may submit whistleblower complaints with a level of protection from criminal prosecution and retribution under the Whistleblower Protection Act.

 

[rommelrommel]

Obviously a conspiracy by the derp state to something something.

 

[Muse]

Saw on news tonight that White House says it will not comply and turn over information unless and until officially impeached.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Actually they said they will only comply if the full House votes on the impeachment inquiry!
But the truth is there is no precedent set as to if the house does or does not have to have a vote!
Of course eventually for this to getb to the Senate there will need to be a vote!!

 

[dawp]

the only reason he wants a vote is to try to use it against the dems but that just might backfire on him if they did one.

 

[Lucio V]

I believe House should just investigate and present the facts to the public, nothing more.

In a democracy it's up to the public to decide what has to be done. This is the double edged sword in any democracy, the direction and viability of the country depends on the quality and clarity of judgement of the masses not one man/woman as in a dictatorship. If the public doesn't make good decisions then it's the fate of the country to slowly wither.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I believe House should just investigate and present the facts to the public, nothing more.

In a democracy it's up to the public to decide what has to be done. This is the double edged sword in any democracy, the direction and viability of the country depends on the quality and clarity of judgement of the masses not one man/woman as in a dictatorship. If the public doesn't make good decisions then it's the fate of the country to slowly wither.

This isn't a democracy and has never been one. This is a representative republic where the public is entitled to vote. That being the case it is the job of the custodians of our nation, our elected officials to defend it against those who would do it wrong and this includes the President.

Impeachment and removal are the alternatives to the other option, assassination and that is not my opinion but that of Ben Franklin. Waiting for four years to remove a cancer is not something of which the founders approved.

 

[TheVrolok]

I believe House should just investigate and present the facts to the public, nothing more.

In a democracy it's up to the public to decide what has to be done. This is the double edged sword in any democracy, the direction and viability of the country depends on the quality and clarity of judgement of the masses not one man/woman as in a dictatorship. If the public doesn't make good decisions then it's the fate of the country to slowly wither.

Except that the US isn't a literal democracy, it's a constitutional republic.

 

[feralkid]

I believe House should just investigate and present the facts to the public, nothing more.

In a democracy it's up to the public to decide what has to be done. This is the double edged sword in any democracy, the direction and viability of the country depends on the quality and clarity of judgement of the masses not one man/woman as in a dictatorship. If the public doesn't make good decisions then it's the fate of the country to slowly wither.

Jesus wept.

Were you smoking in the boys' room during Civics class?

 

[interchange]

Jesus wept.

Were you smoking in the boys' room during Civics class?

Do they still do the pledge of allegiance in school?

 

[soulcougher73]

Saw on news tonight that White House says it will not comply and turn over information unless and until officially impeached.

Just gives them more time to bury / burn / hide evidence.

 

[Greenman]

I would assume that once it becomes an actual impeachment the POTUS and his legal team are afforded certain rights and privileges that they don't now enjoy?

 

[fskimospy]

I would assume that once it becomes an actual impeachment the POTUS and his legal team are afforded certain rights and privileges that they don't now enjoy?

What rights and privileges are you thinking of?

Generally speaking he gets whatever rights and privileges congress decides to give him.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I would assume that once it becomes an actual impeachment the POTUS and his legal team are afforded certain rights and privileges that they don't now enjoy?

Not sure but I don’t think so. Seems the trial is more like evidence gets presented to members of the house and they decide.
Senate version works differently but it hasn’t been done so to say.

 

[fskimospy]

Not sure but I don’t think so. Seems the trial is more like evidence gets presented to members of the house and they decide.
Senate version works differently but it hasn’t been done so to say.

The trial is conducted by the rules of the senate and the senate can make them anything it wants.

Outside of the general constitutional protections like the right against self incrimination Trump has basically no rights under the Constitution because it isn’t a criminal trial. He has no right to see the evidence against him, no right to confront his accusers, etc. etc. He doesn’t even have a right to present a defense at all.

Congress might CHOOSE to give him those privileges but that’s a political choice. Remember, this is basically Congress deliberating with itself about whether or not to remove Trump. He doesn’t need to be involved.

 

[Greenman]

What rights and privileges are you thinking of?

Generally speaking he gets whatever rights and privileges congress decides to give him.

I assumed that when the proceedings were formalized Trump would have access to all of the information gathered, much like discovery in normal trial. I would also assume it grants him the right to subpoena witnesses.
The other side of that is Trump can simply keep saying "executive privilege" every time congress asks for something.

I should actually read the constitutional law on the issue, but that's more effort than I'm willing to invest. I have a busy day.

 

[Greenman]

The trial is conducted by the rules of the senate and the senate can make them anything it wants.

Outside of the general constitutional protections like the right against self incrimination Trump has basically no rights under the Constitution because it isn’t a criminal trial. He has no right to see the evidence against him, no right to confront his accusers, etc. etc. He doesn’t even have a right to present a defense at all.

Congress might CHOOSE to give him those privileges but that’s a political choice. Remember, this is basically Congress deliberating with itself about whether or not to remove Trump. He doesn’t need to be involved.

I posted before reading this, good info.

 

[fskimospy]

I assumed that when the proceedings were formalized Trump would have access to all of the information gathered, much like discovery in normal trial. I would also assume it grants him the right to subpoena witnesses.
The other side of that is Trump can simply keep saying "executive privilege" every time congress asks for something.

I should actually read the constitutional law on the issue, but that's more effort than I'm willing to invest. I have a busy day.

No, he has none of those rights because it’s not a criminal trial. The senate doesn’t even really need to conduct a trial if it wants, it could just vote.

Trump can say executive privilege the same way he can now in response to subpoenas. mean it’s not like he’s going to be called to testify or even be present.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Ultimate FU to the President would be if Moscow Mitch sets the Senate trial up with secret vote, Senators Write on a piece of paper yes or no then drop it into a box.
Every Republican town hall would be filled with Senators saying who me?

 

[Greenman]

No, he has none of those rights because it’s not a criminal trial. The senate doesn’t even really need to conduct a trial if it wants, it could just vote.

Trump can say executive privilege the same way he can now in response to subpoenas. mean it’s not like he’s going to be called to testify or even be present.

You made me actually do my own homework, I hope you're happy.
The entire process is a heck of a lot less formal than I would have thought. The assumption appears to be that congress and the senate will act with proper decorum and deliberation. That's certainly out the window.
It's also interesting that Nancy decided to call it an impeachment inquiry, rather than simply impeaching Trump. The democrats have been calling for impeachment for some time, they just needed to find a crime to justify the verdict. I was also surprised to learn the senate republicans can kill the entire process the day it's handed to them with a floor vote and simple majority.
I had (foolishly, it appears) assumed that there was more law and less posturing involved in the process. From what I've been reading, it's almost entirely political and subject to whatever whimsey either side wants to toss in the mix.

 

[brycejones]

I believe House should just investigate and present the facts to the public, nothing more.

In a democracy it's up to the public to decide what has to be done. This is the double edged sword in any democracy, the direction and viability of the country depends on the quality and clarity of judgement of the masses not one man/woman as in a dictatorship. If the public doesn't make good decisions then it's the fate of the country to slowly wither.

Have you read the constitution?

 

[sportage]

Here we go again.
One of those words Trump can use to claim FAKE NEWS.
2nd Whistleblower May Come Forward On Trump's Ukraine Call

I don't want MAY or POSSIBLY or COULD HAVE.
This is what I want.....

Right To F-ing Jail

 

[Indus]

Have you read the constitution?

Trumpanzee constitution is only Trump is the lord and savior and everyone else is piece of shit.

 

[fskimospy]

You made me actually do my own homework, I hope you're happy.
The entire process is a heck of a lot less formal than I would have thought. The assumption appears to be that congress and the senate will act with proper decorum and deliberation. That's certainly out the window.
It's also interesting that Nancy decided to call it an impeachment inquiry, rather than simply impeaching Trump.

That’s because Democrats want to retain control of the proceedings. With Nixon it was the same thing. Yes, Democrats could pass articles on impeachment on Trump today. Since the whole process is political though they are using their powers to turn the public more and more in favor of impeachment before they pass those articles. Since it’s very unlikely the Senate will convict you want to do 2 things:

1) make the public aware of just how much of a criminal Trump is. That way even if he isn’t removed you damage him for the election.

2) make senate Republicans defend a criminal. The worse Trump looks, the worse the senate looks for protecting him. That helps Democrats flip the Senate.

The democrats have been calling for impeachment for some time, they just needed to find a crime to justify the verdict.

I mean you have to admit they have never exactly been short of things to impeach Trump on. No search was needed, he commits lots of his crimes right out in the open.

I was also surprised to learn the senate republicans can kill the entire process the day it's handed to them with a floor vote and simple majority.
I had (foolishly, it appears) assumed that there was more law and less posturing involved in the process. From what I've been reading, it's almost entirely political and subject to whatever whimsey either side wants to toss in the mix.

Yes, it’s entirely political and since Congress’s internal processes can’t be intruded on by any other branch they can basically do what they want.

It will be interesting to see what Republicans do when/if impeachment articles are handed to them. I have no idea if they will conduct a trial or just throw them in the trash.

 

[kage69]

I like how we're starting to see republicans hear it from their constituents, like what just happened to Jodi Ernst in Iowa. The numbers of republicans leaving the party line is increasing, slowly but surely I think. Jodi Earnst dances jig at town hall

I think we're going to see the GOP gradually start to focus on saving Pence, it's very important to the evangelicals. Trump will be allowed to fall off like the diseased filth he is. They have a 50 year struggle to pursue after all, and now a criminal with cold oatmeal for brains has put it in jeopardy.