2nd Amendment rights?

[Train]

You know Matthiasa , even if you get it your way, I'll just declare myself a militia of one.

Theres really no way around it.

 

[Matthiasa]

And what exactly is my way?
I'm mostly just arguing semantics since I'm bored.

 

[TridenT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyoHbe_yGvo

I think that should be legal. :awe:

 

[Matthiasa]

How about just physically possible.

 

[ModerateRepZero]

in my view, people should have the right to carry, but if they are stupid enough to go postal (except in personal self defense or when innocent life is threatened), they should get the book thrown at them and be prohibited from carrying a firearm.

I don't object to people carrying a gun, I object to idiots who don't treat firearms as a dangerous tool, especially if you point it at the wrong person.

from what I've heard, the first rule is to always assume a firearm is loaded (and treat it like such)

 

[bruceb]

Yes, I own a few guns of various types and caliber. Including a rifle and 3 pistols.

 

[spidey07]

in my view, people should have the right to carry, but if they are stupid enough to go postal (except in personal self defense or when innocent life is threatened), they should get the book thrown at them and be prohibited from carrying a firearm.

I don't object to people carrying a gun, I object to idiots who don't treat firearms as a dangerous tool, especially if you point it at the wrong person.

from what I've heard, the first rule is to always assume a firearm is loaded (and treat it like such)

Convicted felons can't own guns. Can't even have them in their residence. It's a mandatory 5 or 10 year federal sentence if they do. It's even more stiff penalty if you have multiple felony convictions of any kind.

 

[Ackmed]

The problem is that the writers of the Constitution knew this as a gun:

And had no idea this would turn out to be a gun:

The problem is, people arent trying to open carry an AK, but a pistol. And yet some people misconstrue this, to further there agenda. AKA you.

 

[MJinZ]

Some people love America. Other are communists who want to take away others rights.

That's kind of how you get them. You start by taking away other people's rights. Like the Native Americans (lives), the Africans (slaves), and then pretend you derive inherent "right" to be in America.

 

[Phoenix86]

The problem is that the writers of the Constitution knew this as a gun:

And had no idea this would turn out to be a gun:

Interesting, you post two guns which serve the same purpose in different times. Both weapons are what period soldiers carried.

Try again with a more "scary" assault weapon, something with scopes/suppressors/etc.

 

[spidey07]

Interesting, you post two guns which serve the same purpose in different times. Both weapons are what period soldiers carried.

Try again with a more "scary" assault weapon, something with scopes/suppressors/etc.

Good point. Also the AK-47 is known as the Liberator for it's role in people overcoming dictatorships or freeing themselves from oppression.

 

[Train]

And what exactly is my way?

The stupid way apparently.

 

[nick1985]

Matthiasa, do you think that gun control legislation is effective?

 

[techs]

Would those be the same people who knew that in recent historical times (to them), armies fought with long bows, pikes and swords? And that those same armies fought with black powder muskets during their time?

Wow.....those guys must have been pretty short-sighted, to not be able to figure out that technological advances might some day take armies past the use of muskets!!

Wow. You really miss the point. The writers of the Constitution counted a slave as 3/5ths of a white man. They left it for future generations to change it.
I don't think you could find 10 percent of Americans who think rifle ownership is illegal. It's when you get into rate of fire you substantially change what the rifle is.
And, interestingly, almost no one went around carrying a hand gun when the Constitution was written, just an fyi.

 

[Matthiasa]

The stupid way apparently.

And another person unable to read.

Matthiasa, do you think that gun control legislation is effective?

Effective at keeping guns in the hands of criminals why yes, yes they are.

As I have said 2903840932089243 times already in this tread I prefer that people assuming they are not stupid and or are not criminals that they be allowed to own guns, even "assault weapons".

 

[nick1985]

It's when you get into rate of fire you substantially change what the rifle is.

Couldn't be more wrong

 

[nick1985]

And another person unable to read.

See my question in post #63

 

[Matthiasa]

Why to wait for me to finish editing my post.

As I have said 2903840932089243 times already in this tread I prefer that people assuming they are not stupid and or are not criminals that they be allowed to own guns, even "assault weapons".

 

[MotF Bane]

Wow. You really miss the point. The writers of the Constitution counted a slave as 3/5ths of a white man. They left it for future generations to change it.
I don't think you could find 10 percent of Americans who think rifle ownership is illegal. It's when you get into rate of fire you substantially change what the rifle is.
And, interestingly, almost no one went around carrying a hand gun when the Constitution was written, just an fyi.

Do you know anything about guns besides "ZOMG SCARY!"?

 

[amddude]

Sigh in OT? This will degenerate into a flame war. I'm pro-gun though, fwiw.

 

[spidey07]

Sigh in OT? This will degenerate into a flame war. I'm pro-gun though, fwiw.

Not if we keep it civil and lighthearted IMHO.

 

[amddude]

Not if we keep it civil and lighthearted IMHO.

The second amendment is written goofy because it was a compromise of different states' interpretation of what it should have been. If you compare the original texts they were working with it is COMPLETELY clear what they were trying to do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second..._compromise_in_Congress.2C_the_Bill_of_Rights

 

[TurtleCrusher]

lolp&n

 

[Triumph]

[FONT=&quot]I was wondering if the people on this forum are pro 2nd Amendment rights?

Yes

Also do you think it is right for people to openly carry a gun in public? As long as they are abiding by all the laws?[/FONT]

Yes.

 

[Triumph]

Wow. You really miss the point. The writers of the Constitution counted a slave as 3/5ths of a white man. They left it for future generations to change it.
I don't think you could find 10 percent of Americans who think rifle ownership is illegal. It's when you get into rate of fire you substantially change what the rifle is.

Rate of fire has nothing to do with intentions of the founding fathers when they wrote the 2A.