2GB DDR2 800 PC6400 RAM

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: Drakelet
Please, lets stop this bickering/heated discussion.

I still don't understand why Ballistix is better than the others.

Sorry about the show ...

Crucial is The Retail Arm of Micron.... Micron makes the best overclocking IC's at the moment...

Buy buying their memory you are guaranteed to have their IC's

Most of the other fabricators (Corsair, OCZ, Patriot) out there have gone to cheap IC's (Elpida,ProMos) to save cost in a very cut throat price war, that has resulted after a number of DRAM Manufacturing Exec's being sent to prison for price fixing.

 

[Drakelet]

Originally posted by: Mr FoxSorry about the show ...

Crucial is The Retail Arm of Micron.... Micron makes the best overclocking IC's at the moment...

Buy buying their memory you are guaranteed to have their IC's

Most of the other fabricators (Corsair, OCZ, Patriot) out there have gone to cheap IC's (Elpida,ProMos) to save cost in a very cut throat price war, that has resulted after a number of DRAM Manufacturing Exec's being sent to prison for price fixing.

Don't worry.

Let me rephrase my question haha:

What makes Micron ICs so good? How are the the best for overclocking?

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: Drakelet

Don't worry.

Let me rephrase my question haha:

What makes Micron ICs so good? How are the the best for overclocking?

They have the unique ability to run at virtually any speed that you set them at just by adjusting the voltage to the Memory.

The economy IC's will have either no ability to exceed stock speeds, or very little.

and that can be a bad thing if you are trying to achieve a performance objective...

 

[Drakelet]

OK, I think I get it now. Although I've heard of the other brands I've mentioned running stably at higher voltages and higher frequencies/lower latencies.

As stupid as this sounds...How do you overclock RAM frequencies?

EDIT: Just seen two people have voted this thread 0/5 stars.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: Mr Fox

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

Originally posted by: Mr Fox

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
All that babbling and you still have not provided a concrete answer to the voltage question. Quality ICs will run at lower voltage and higher clock speed. Look at the evolution from DDR to DDR2 to DDR3. Better fab = lower working voltage and higher working core speed.

It is innovative design that throws a Wrench in your Paradigm.
Quality IC's are now also capable of running at higher voltages.

To achieve superior timings and bandwidth at higher voltages because of improvements in Electron Leakage, and Thermal Impedance Characteristics....

Tell me of any other 1Gbit DRAM IC that can deliver anywhere even near that Operating range, and CAS in a high density DIMM ... Good Luck !!

V=IR. P=I2R. High voltage DDR2 RAM generates more heat. Why add more heat to achieve the same level of overclock as quality 1.8V DDR2 800 RAM?

Superior 1.8V DDR2 800 RAM should be able to run well @ 2.1V/470MHz/4-4-4-12 or 2.1V/570MHz/5-5-5-15.

How many high voltage DDR2 modules are rated @ 4-4-4-12 or tighter timing north of 570MHz?

The higher voltage IC is a marketing scam. If there is a true improvement in performance, then the memory should be rated at 1.8V/+533MHz/4-4-4-12 timing.

You are not getting anywhere with this....... your information only applies to the older 512Mbit chips. D9GHV etc...

Micron has made a break thru that has been held fairly close to the vest .
Thru materials technology they(Micron) have increased the ability to withstand higher voltages without overheating from electron leakage. While using the same die.

These chips exist..I have proved that... but good luck finding them in Micron's IC catalog...

My set will run 550 mhz.. at 2.25v and only be slightly warm to the touch no special forced air cooling. stock timings set manually in the BIOS... 512Mbit chips would be smoking...

Wake up, and wise up technology moves on...

And I can do 2.1V/580MHz with my 1.8V DDR2 800. DDR2 is DEAD technology, NOOB.

 

[mrfatboy]

Originally posted by: Drakelet

Originally posted by: j0j081
the Ballistix seem to have a high failure rate so I'd go with something else like A-Data perhaps.

Never heard that before! Not doubting you BTW.

I have had 2 kits go bad on me since August. However, Crucial sends me replacements immediately. They are great to work with. I keep 4 gigs around and only use 2. YMMV

I would still would go Ballistix


BTW, I only paid $45 for a 2gig kit

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: mrfatboy

Originally posted by: Drakelet

Originally posted by: j0j081
the Ballistix seem to have a high failure rate so I'd go with something else like A-Data perhaps.

Never heard that before! Not doubting you BTW.

I have had 2 kits go bad on me since August. However, Crucial sends me replacements immediately. They are great to work with. I keep 4 gigs around and only use 2. YMMV

I would still would go Ballistix


BTW, I only paid $45 for a 2gig kit

Crucial/Micron and Kingston are the best when it comes to memory and customer support.

 

[NXIL]

Hi,

not to throw gasoline on the embers here, but a few months ago, Rahul Sood wrote this article re: Crucial ram, which his company was putting in their VooDoo PCs:

http://www.rahulsood.com/2007/...your-roots-part-2.html

I remember one time we were using Crucial Ballistix memory and almost every single freaking chip we sold ended up being returned, sometimes more than once. It was a total disaster, and there was really no explanation for it ? although we believed the memory was unable to handle the high voltage they were designed for. Props to Crucial for honouring the warranty, but the cost incurred by Voodoo was insane and unacceptable; although we probably wouldn?t have switched to another manufacturer so quickly if they had not tried to convince us that we were the only ones experiencing such problems.

Note: pretty gutsy for this guy to write the article and name names.

Mr. Sood recommends Corsair for high performance memory. I like Kingston and Crucial for mainstream workhorse RAM: I have never had any problems with it, ever.

HTH

NXIL

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: NXIL
Hi,

not to throw gasoline on the embers here, but a few months ago, Rahul Sood wrote this article re: Crucial ram, which his company was putting in their VooDoo PCs:

http://www.rahulsood.com/2007/...your-roots-part-2.html

I remember one time we were using Crucial Ballistix memory and almost every single freaking chip we sold ended up being returned, sometimes more than once. It was a total disaster, and there was really no explanation for it ? although we believed the memory was unable to handle the high voltage they were designed for. Props to Crucial for honouring the warranty, but the cost incurred by Voodoo was insane and unacceptable; although we probably wouldn?t have switched to another manufacturer so quickly if they had not tried to convince us that we were the only ones experiencing such problems.

Note: pretty gutsy for this guy to write the article and name names.

Mr. Sood recommends Corsair for high performance memory. I like Kingston and Crucial for mainstream workhorse RAM: I have never had any problems with it, ever.

HTH

NXIL

The QC control on later batches of Crucial B can be hit or miss. That's why it's best to stick with the plain-jane 1.8V DDR2 667 or 800 modules from Crucial or Kingston (N5 models). These are their staple products with very good reliability.

Core speed is KING. Spending a bunch of $ on expensive RAM yields very little performance improvement.

 

[Arcanedeath]

D9 dies at 2.2V even w/ active cooling for 24/7 I'd say 2.1V w/ active cooling is by far your safest best. but for benching D9 can't be beat and it does love voltage if you want to push it for a little while before it goes poof.

 

[Drakelet]

OK, thanks, I think I get it. I still don't see why it's worth getting Crucial over, say, Patriot, unless I was going for max possible performance, every last bit, which I'm not. Also, it won't be on 24/7.

Thoughts? I'll add the Crucial is from another store, which has all the other parts more expensive, so it could effectively work out £20 more expensive (although they have free P&P...).

 

[j0j081]

Originally posted by: Drakelet
OK, thanks, I think I get it. I still don't see why it's worth getting Crucial over, say, Patriot, unless I was going for max possible performance, every last bit, which I'm not. Also, it won't be on 24/7.

Thoughts? I'll add the Crucial is from another store, which has all the other parts more expensive, so it could effectively work out £20 more expensive (although they have free P&P...).

just get whatever is the best price then. the ram in my sig uses the same chips Crucial does most of the time and can be had at $50 or less at newegg depending if it has a rebate this week or not. also, according to this review it can actually outperform the Ballistix but that may be hit or miss depending on your luck of what batch it's from.

http://www.overclockersclub.co...esta_extreme_800/2.htm

http://www.newegg.com/product/...p?item=N82E16820211174

 

[James01]

Sheesh! Stop and think a minute here people! The OP doesn't even know how to overclock RAM yet, he's not going to be breaking any records! ANY 800Mhz RAM will probably suit his needs.

What CPU do you have Drakelet? What overclock are you aiming for?

 

[Drakelet]

Originally posted by: James01
Sheesh! Stop and think a minute here people! The OP doesn't even know how to overclock RAM yet, he's not going to be breaking any records! ANY 800Mhz RAM will probably suit his needs.

What CPU do you have Drakelet? What overclock are you aiming for?

That's what I was thinking.

I'm getting a 6750. My first one will be 3.2GHz, possibly pushing for higher but it depends how willing I am to take the risk (£115 for a 15 year old is quite a lot ).

 

[James01]

Well, 3.2Ghz will run a 1:1 ratio with the FSB:RAM. If that's as far as you push the CPU, any generic 800Mhz RAM will do. If you think you might go higher though, some mid-range 800Mhz RAM might be a good idea. Definitely no need for Ballistix Tracers!

 

[Drakelet]

Max I would go probably would be 3.6GHz, although I have heard all of the ones I've mentioned work well. I'll probably end up getting the Patriot TBH, heard a lot of good stuff about it.

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal


And I can do 2.1V/580MHz with my 1.8V DDR2 800. DDR2 is DEAD technology, NOOB.

Of the 70 Motherboards that have been introduced in the last six months........

This includes X38,NF 780i, P31, P35, and G33.

63 were DDR2

7 were DDR3

10% is not supporting your argument...

Your rectal extractions, again seem to leave you with little credibility.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: Mr Fox

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal


And I can do 2.1V/580MHz with my 1.8V DDR2 800. DDR2 is DEAD technology, NOOB.

Of the 70 Motherboards that have been introduced in the last six months........

This includes X38,NF 780i, P31, P35, and G33.

63 were DDR2

7 were DDR3

10% is not supporting your argument...

Your rectal extractions, again seem to leave you with little credibility.

New R&D $ are devoted to DDR3. Who is spending $ to develop faster DDR2 RAM? How long has DDR2 400 been in production and when can one expect to see JEDEC 1.8V/DDR2 533? None of the new AMD/INTEL chip will need DDR2 400 or faster RAM in the next 12 months. Why would anyone pour more R&D $ into faster DDR2 RAM?

DDR2 shipping volume will probably head south by the end of 2008 as production ramp-down to make room for DDR3, noob. You obviously don't know *** about what's happening at Crucial and Kingston.

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

New R&D $ are devoted to DDR3. Who is spending $ to develop faster DDR2 RAM? How long has DDR2 400 been in production and when can one expect to see JEDEC 1.8V/DDR2 533? None of the new AMD/INTEL chip will need DDR2 400 or faster RAM in the next 12 months. Why would anyone pour more R&D $ into faster DDR2 RAM?

DDR2 shipping volume will probably head south by the end of 2008 as production ramp-down to make room for DDR3, noob. You obviously don't know *** about what's happening at Crucial and Kingston.

Kingston is simply a fabricator....there is no innovation involved, they just assemble what they buy..... the more you talk .. the less you make sense...



The Major DRAM IC manufacturers are : Samsung, Infineon/Qimonda, Micron, Elpida, Hynix, ProMos, Nanya, and Toshiba.

 

[Yellowbeard]

The Major DRAM IC manufacturers are : Samsung, Infineon/Qimonda, Micron, Elpida, Hynix, ProMos, Nanya, and Toshiba.

There is another advantage that Micron had with the 64mb D9s that may still apply to the 128mb ICs. "Some" ICs made by the other brands above have a voltage regulator on each IC. That's why they don't respond to voltage increases as well as a good set of memory using D9GMH or D9GKX ICs. I would need to do some digging to be sure of which.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Originally posted by: Mr Fox

Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal

New R&D $ are devoted to DDR3. Who is spending $ to develop faster DDR2 RAM? How long has DDR2 400 been in production and when can one expect to see JEDEC 1.8V/DDR2 533? None of the new AMD/INTEL chip will need DDR2 400 or faster RAM in the next 12 months. Why would anyone pour more R&D $ into faster DDR2 RAM?

DDR2 shipping volume will probably head south by the end of 2008 as production ramp-down to make room for DDR3, noob. You obviously don't know *** about what's happening at Crucial and Kingston.

Kingston is simply a fabricator....there is no innovation involved, they just assemble what they buy..... the more you talk .. the less you make sense...



The Major DRAM IC manufacturers are : Samsung, Infineon/Qimonda, Micron, Elpida, Hynix, ProMos, Nanya, and Toshiba.

Go to the Kingston headquarter and see how many patent they have on the wall... Heck, anyone that's close to Kingston's Fountain Valley headquarter could easily confirm that you are a babbling ****.

 

[Yellowbeard]

Originally posted by: Drakelet
Please, lets stop this bickering/heated discussion.

Sadly, this is all too common here at AT lately.

I think you have been given good advice by James01. At this point, you don't need screaming 1200mhz memory. Most every memory maker has a set of 2 x 1gb PC6400 and 2 x 2gb PC6400 all within the same general price range. Pick a brand you are comfortable with (with regards to support, reputation, ratings, etc) and go with it. Good luck and have fun with the build.

 

[Drakelet]

Originally posted by: YellowbeardI think you have been given good advice by James01. At this point, you don't need screaming 1200mhz memory. Most every memory maker has a set of 2 x 1gb PC6400 and 2 x 2gb PC6400 all within the same general price range. Pick a brand you are comfortable with (with regards to support, reputation, ratings, etc) and go with it. Good luck and have fun with the build.

Thanks Yellow.

Originally posted by: Yellowbeard

Originally posted by: Drakelet
Please, lets stop this bickering/heated discussion.

Sadly, this is all too common here at AT lately.

Maybe I should put it another way...

Shut the fuck up, both you. People have different opinions, that's life. Get over it.

 

[The-Noid]

SerpentRoyal, you are confusing technological advance with Fabbing.

DDR3 @ 78nm (Micron D9GTR) is still faster than DDR2 @ 78nm (D9NHL) or even Samsung 50nm DDR2.

There is also still large money being put into R & D for DDR2.

AMD does not have a DDR3 ready product anytime soon and FBDIMMs still generate huge sales. FBDIMM's are not looking to be DDR3 until 2009.

Also, quick question Serpent, have you been banned under any names on this forum besides furballi, or only the one?

 

[j0j081]

this thread is officially retarded.