2D Graphics Editing Machine Config

[pkme2]

Originally posted by: batmanuel

Originally posted by: pkme2

Originally posted by: batmanuel

Originally posted by: pkme2
The Quadros are recent versions from Nvidia.
The Quadro FX 540 supports 2D display output to 1920x1200 (DVI) and 2048 x 1536 (analog HD15) plus a HDTV display via its video breakout box, giving this additional flexibility for use as a film or video studio environment.

Do you have any idea how underwhelming those specs are? You can't run a 30" flat panel off of that Quadro, since you don't have dual link DVI capability on that card, whereas your run of the mill $100 X1600 Pro has dual link DVI standard. HDTV capable outputs are also fairly standard on all but the cheapest of modern graphics cards as well (such as the aforementioned X1600 Pro).

As has been mentioned before, there is no need for more than an X1600 if you are limiting yourself to photo and video editing. Even on the Mac platform, which has Core Image to allow you to accelerate some 2D work inside the graphics card, the X1600 Pro is all you need for Photoshop, Motion and FCP.

You got dual DVI on FX 1400 which I show on my earlier thread (less than $170).
The FX 540 is entry level.
You want more, there the FX 4500.
Prices are super reasonable on eBay. Who pays retail? For sure, not me and a whole lot of other buyers on eBay.

What does the extra money get you, though? If anything you lose the Avivo video encoder tech on the X1600. It just seems like a better idea to get a nice 2D card for under $100 now and buy a Quadro at a later date if you decide to drop a few grand for Maya or 3ds MAX. With the voltility of computer part pricing, it doesn't make sense to buy more machine than you need on a desktop (now a laptop is a different matter since it can't easily be upgraded).

Some generalities don't get my point. Since most of us try to stretch our working dollar as far as possible, I try to buy something that will do the job of MORE. The final decision will be the buyer anyway or whoever this affects.
By the way, Alias Maya Complete 7.0 costs me $289.98 (Faculty or Student)
Autodesk 3ds Max 8 (1-Year License) $179.98 (Better deal with Maya).
Since I use CS2, I can recommend what works for me. I use FireGL and I just got a Quadro V1400 off ebay for $161.01 yesterday. I started buying components inexpensively when available, until I got what I have now.
I started with the best for less syndrome. Get what was neccesary, whether it was eBay, AT, mWave or wherever.
The OP just stated what he was thinking of getting for someone. Doesn't it make sense to offer that individual options. You may have a particular reason to suggest one configuration to follow, but I have another. Respect mine and I'll respect yours.
Flame me once, then you better have all the facts before I rebut, because I will be back.

 

[ProviaFan]

Please do come back and thoroughly explain how the Quadro will outperform the Radeon in Photoshop. I'm waiting.

 

[pkme2]

Originally posted by: ProviaFan
One more question... "My facts come from here" - ok, that's a page full of benchmarks. Show me where the PHOTOSHOP benchmark is on that page, and I'll believe you.

Have you ever worked with a FireGL or Quadro card?
If you ever worked with FireGl or Quadro, your statements are based on what?
My results in Photoshop and Illustrator work fine, I don't get into the particulars why,
it just does.

If you ever offer a opinion in the future, I expect it to come from actual experience.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: pkme2
Have you ever worked with a FireGL or Quadro card?
If you ever worked with FireGl or Quadro, your statements are based on what?
My results in Photoshop and Illustrator work fine, I don't get into the particulars why,
it just does.

If you ever offer a opinion in the future, I expect it to come from actual experience.

My opinion from actual experience is that a FireGL works "just fine" in PS, but several Radeons and a Geforce also perform identically in the same task. The FireGL would certainly not be worth the additional cost if Photoshop is the only application being used. I expect actual benchmarks if you're going to continue to argue that a FireGL or Quadro is better for the OP's purpose.

 

[pkme2]

Originally posted by: ProviaFan

Originally posted by: pkme2
Have you ever worked with a FireGL or Quadro card?
If you ever worked with FireGl or Quadro, your statements are based on what?
My results in Photoshop and Illustrator work fine, I don't get into the particulars why,
it just does.

If you ever offer a opinion in the future, I expect it to come from actual experience.

My opinion from actual experience is that a FireGL works "just fine" in PS, but several Radeons and a Geforce also perform identically in the same task. The FireGL would certainly not be worth the additional cost if Photoshop is the only application being used. I expect actual benchmarks if you're going to continue to argue that a FireGL or Quadro is better for the OP's purpose.

Whose benchmarks? What does that have to do which card is better? You trying to debate a point that is moot. You made statements that spoke in generalities and I have rebutted all of them. You say one thing and now run to another.

Now you speak of cost. That's full of it. I've proved that a Quadro doesn't have to be expensive, (i.e. v1400 for $161.01, retail $799). If you had an opportunity to buy a Quadro selling for that unbelievable price, would you pass it up? Yesterday 10 buyers did.

You cling to the fact that the FireGL is too expensive, I got mine for $78 off eBay several months ago. My Quadro, yesterday cost me $167.08 with shipping. So where is the "additional costs" occuring? You can buy these cards very inexpensively off eBay like many others.

My point is just don't say anything negative in the future and you won't get a response like mine. I may not have the longevity like you here on AT, but since I use the product, come prepared next time.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: pkme2
Whose benchmarks? What does that have to do which card is better? You trying to debate a point that is moot. You made statements that spoke in generalities and I have rebutted all of them. You say one thing and now run to another.

No, you are the one that keeps saying that your cards will be better for things that the user isn't going to do. That is moot.

Now you speak of cost. That's full of it. I've proved that a Quadro doesn't have to be expensive, (i.e. v1400 for $161.01, retail $799). If you had an opportunity to buy a Quadro selling for that unbelievable price, would you pass it up? Yesterday 10 buyers didn't.

I tend to buy computer hardware new, and I never buy anything through ebay. Could I get that deal any other way? If we were to buy from Newegg, then I think that comparing the merits of both cards for the 2D apps that the user will actually run and then deciding between them based on cost is most certainly not "full of it" as you would like to postulate.

snip...
My point is just don't say anything negative in the future and you won't get a response like mine. I may not have the longevity like you here on AT, like you but since I use the product, come prepared next time.

The problem is that you made a recommendation without any caveats that was not suited to the user's intent. If you would have pointed out from the start that your recommendation would have the same performance in Photoshop but would also enable the user to experience higher performance in a 3D app, that would be fine. But no, you claimed that a Quadro or FireGL would "add functionality" in Photoshop, which is, to use your wording, "full of it." That is what I have been trying to point out all along.

 

[batmanuel]

Originally posted by: pkme2

Now you speak of cost. That's full of it. I've proved that a Quadro doesn't have to be expensive, (i.e. v1400 for $161.01, retail $799). If you had an opportunity to buy a Quadro selling for that unbelievable price, would you pass it up? Yesterday 10 buyers did.

You cling to the fact that the FireGL is too expensive, I got mine for $78 off eBay several months ago. My Quadro, yesterday cost me $167.08 with shipping. So where is the "additional costs" occuring? You can buy these cards very inexpensively off eBay like many others.

Why are you comparing my retail costs to your "eBay" costs? I could also easily go out and get an X1600 Pro off eBay for a fraction of the retail cost of the card. When you compare apples to apples, the X1600 is still going to be a cheaper way to get the same level of performance.

Also, student pricing for Maya and 3ds MAX is fine and dandy, but what if the person wants to actually use the software in a business setting? You can't legally do that with the student editions due to the limitations of the license, just like you can't use Office Student and Teacher in an real office.

 

[pkme2]

I just suggested but it was you that raised the question, like you knew it all and had the affrontery to say that PhotoShop and Illustrator couldn't work.
Now you imply that I didn't qualify my statement. Its my opinion and you and you don't the right to criticize it. You been here too long and that's why the newcomers are frightened to respond to your off-color remarks.
I didn't say "add functionally" in Photoshop, it was someone else's. I just included functionality in my response.
You still are not speaking from actual experience and no matter what you say, still is full of it.

 

[ProviaFan]

Would you please quote exactly where I said that PS or Illustrator "couldn't work"? Please quit making baseless accusations, also. I have used the Creative Suite applications on systems with various Radeons, as well as my current system that has a Geforce (check my rigs if you care), and another system with a FireGL. I don't have experience with Maya et. al., but that is not what the OP was asking about.

 

[pkme2]

Originally posted by: ProviaFan

Originally posted by: pkme2
Whose benchmarks? What does that have to do which card is better? You trying to debate a point that is moot. You made statements that spoke in generalities and I have rebutted all of them. You say one thing and now run to another.

No, you are the one that keeps saying that your cards will be better for things that the user isn't going to do. That is moot.

Now you speak of cost. That's full of it. I've proved that a Quadro doesn't have to be expensive, (i.e. v1400 for $161.01, retail $799). If you had an opportunity to buy a Quadro selling for that unbelievable price, would you pass it up? Yesterday 10 buyers didn't.

I tend to buy computer hardware new, and I never buy anything through ebay. Could I get that deal any other way? If we were to buy from Newegg, then I think that comparing the merits of both cards for the 2D apps that the user will actually run and then deciding between them based on cost is most certainly not "full of it" as you would like to postulate.

snip...
My point is just don't say anything negative in the future and you won't get a response like mine. I may not have the longevity like you here on AT, like you but since I use the product, come prepared next time.

The problem is that you made a recommendation without any caveats that was not suited to the user's intent. If you would have pointed out from the start that your recommendation would have the same performance in Photoshop but would also enable the user to experience higher performance in a 3D app, that would be fine. But no, you claimed that a Quadro or FireGL would "add functionality" in Photoshop, which is, to use your wording, "full of it." That is what I have been trying to point out all along.

"No, you are the one that keeps saying that your cards will be better for things that the user isn't going to do. That is moot. "
Yes, you have a crystal ball and you know exactly what the actual user will want in the future.

"I tend to buy computer hardware new, and I never buy anything through ebay. Could I get that deal any other way? If we were to buy from Newegg, then I think that comparing the merits of both cards for the 2D apps that the user will actually run and then deciding between them based on cost is most certainly not "full of it" as you would like to postulate."
Ah yes, we common folk can't be as fortunate as you; that since you buy your hardware new, we can't ever make better buys by buying on eBay. What arrogance? Not buying a better deal when one can see it, whether its on eBay or Newegg. Who's "full of it" now?

"The problem is that you made a recommendation without any caveats that was not suited to the user's intent. If you would have pointed out from the start that your recommendation would have the same performance in Photoshop but would also enable the user to experience higher performance in a 3D app, that would be fine. But no, you claimed that a Quadro or FireGL would "add functionality" in Photoshop, which is, to use your wording, "full of it." That is what I have been trying to point out all along. "
I actually believe you really believe what you're saying. Like all of us got to make recommendations with caveats. Like our opinions are worthless unless we add a caveats to please you, and those like you. My opinion is just that. I use the FireGl and it works.
So in your infinite wisdom decide that I'm wrong to say that, what balls?

Yes, I waive to your magnificence because of your long standing existence on AT and us newcomers have to expect this.

 

[ProviaFan]

Batmanuel already addressed why there's an issue with using your ebay costs to make comparisons. I'm still waiting to see my quote where I said that a Quadro or FireGL simply wouldn't work. I point out again that I did use Photoshop CS2 on a system with a FireGL V3000-something - can't remember specifics, but I can get you the model number if you really want it. It worked fine, but there was no difference in performance with my Geforce at home.

 

[getbush]

random person: "hey, can someone suggest an affordable commuter car that will be comfortable and good on gas?"

pkme2: "definitely want to get the WRX STI - they go for a song on ebay and you might want to autocross or start a rally career in the future"

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: getbush
random person: "hey, can someone suggest an affordable commuter car that will be comfortable and good on gas?"

pkme2: "definitely want to get the WRX STI - they go for a song on ebay and you might want to autocross or start a rally career in the future"

So true.

OP: I need a case for $50.
pkme2: Get a Lian-Li. You'll love it, for only $100.

 

[jonnyGURU]

Originally posted by: pkme2

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: pkme2
I recommend the Nvidia Quadro FX 1400 for your graphic rig.
http://features.cgsociety.org/story_custom.php?story_id=3214&page=3
It will definitely outperform the ATI card.

I just replaced my old Win 2000 workstation with my new build.

A Quadro for Photoshop and Illustrator?

I use a FireGL for my new graphic workstation, and the Quadro would be superior.
I used a Matrox in my old Graphic rig, but the FireGL excells in my new build.

You think a Quadro would be superior? A guy I work with went from a Quadro to a FireGL and OH MY GOD it's amazing.

Of course, we're talking about an old Quadro (FX1400?) vs. a new FireGL (V3100.)

I see him flipping graphics around in Maya like nothing now. Makes a big difference.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: getbush
random person: "hey, can someone suggest an affordable commuter car that will be comfortable and good on gas?"

pkme2: "definitely want to get the WRX STI - they go for a song on ebay and you might want to autocross or start a rally career in the future"

:laugh:

 

[owensdj]

bamacre, thanks for the suggestions. I changed the motherboard to the less expensive 945P chipset Asus P5LD2 Deluxe. Why is that Corsair memory so much less expensive than the same spec Kingston or Crucial memory?