2900pro benchmarked

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: dreddfunk
After reading the reviews, I'm not yet sold personally. It does better than the 320 in a some games, but AA clearly remains a problem and I'm one of the folks that likes AA (even at 1920x1200)

If street prices reach $200 and it can be overclocked to nearly XT speeds, then it will be an outstanding deal. If it's priced the same or higher than the 320 and doesn't overclock well, then it will be a good deal, IMO, but not a barn-burner.

At least things are getting a bit more interesting in the GPU race. Boy, were things boring there for a while!

i am *sold* ... it IS a 2900xt ...

*perfect* for my 2nd GPU

now find me a sale!

QUICK!!!!!!!!!!

You DO know they are very *limited* supply

 

[raystorm]

Nice reviews there and for 250 bones retail its certainly a capable card. Maybe oem versions will be even cheaper? I may wait until I see benchmarks for that 2950 card that is also coming out in a couple of months. My x1800xt-512mb is almost two years old and its still doing an admirable job in new games but of course no DX10. Will the 2950 be worth the wait??

I wish I could find benchies that would compare the 2900 pro with my card so I can see what kind of performance increase I'll see.

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: dreddfunk
After reading the reviews, I'm not yet sold personally. It does better than the 320 in a some games, but AA clearly remains a problem and I'm one of the folks that likes AA (even at 1920x1200)

If street prices reach $200 and it can be overclocked to nearly XT speeds, then it will be an outstanding deal. If it's priced the same or higher than the 320 and doesn't overclock well, then it will be a good deal, IMO, but not a barn-burner.

At least things are getting a bit more interesting in the GPU race. Boy, were things boring there for a while!

i am *sold* ... it IS a 2900xt ...

*perfect* for my 2nd GPU

now find me a sale!

QUICK!!!!!!!!!!

You DO know they are very *limited* supply

http://www.ncixus.com/products...78/H290PR512DVN-R/HIS/

and

http://www.fudzilla.com/index....view&id=3152&Itemid=34

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: solofly

http://www.ncixus.com/products...78/H290PR512DVN-R/HIS/
[/quote]

That's a crap price. I have never heard of the vendor either.. best to wait for the good vendors to sell like Egg or ZZF

 

[apoppin]

ok ... i mean find me one on NewEgg
--or at LEAST an e-tailer i know ... for less then $250



i DID say it will be *very limited* quantities ... what 30K or so?
-$250 will be a good price ... if i miss one, then i have to wait for 2900xt to drop below $250 [my guess - in Dec, with the release of 2950xt] ...
but i want it now

 

[solofly]

NCIX is a safe place to shop. Probably the largest vendor in the whole country of Canada. I can get any gear locally but prefer dealing with them instead.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: solofly
NCIX is a safe place to shop. Probably the largest vendor in the whole country of Canada. I can get any gear locally but prefer dealing with them instead.

there is nothing wrong with NCIX ... but with the Canadian dollar stronger than the US dollar, i'd prefer to buy from NewEgg

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: solofly
NCIX is a safe place to shop. Probably the largest vendor in the whole country of Canada. I can get any gear locally but prefer dealing with them instead.

there is nothing wrong with NCIX ... but with the Canadian dollar stronger than the US dollar, i'd prefer to buy from NewEgg

They have a Canadian and US website. Each shows the respective currency price.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: solofly
NCIX is a safe place to shop. Probably the largest vendor in the whole country of Canada. I can get any gear locally but prefer dealing with them instead.

there is nothing wrong with NCIX ... but with the Canadian dollar stronger than the US dollar, i'd prefer to buy from NewEgg

Plus they are selling it for too much!!!!! Might as well get an 8800GTS for that price. Defeats the whole notion of having another price segment for the high mainstream cards.

 

[Arkaign]

Wake me up when they're $199 / no rebate

 

[RussianSensation]

If only Nvidia would release 8800GTX with 320-bit 640mb and slower 500mhz clocked gpu with 128 shader processors at $249... :brokenheart:

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
If only Nvidia would release 8800GTX with 320-bit 640mb and slower 500mhz clocked gpu with 128 shader processors at $249... :brokenheart:

I hear ya, but what happened to the days when you could get a $199 video card that was current, but a couple of notches back from the top. IMHO : we should have :

8850 Ultra 1536MB : $599
8800 Ultra 768MB : $399
8800 GTX 768MN : $349
8800 GTS 640MB : $299
8800 GTS 320MB : $249
8800 GT 320MB : $199
8700 GT 256MB : $149
8600 GTS 512MB : $149
8600 GT 256MB : $129
8500 GT 256MB : $99
8500 GS 256MB : $79
8400 GT 256MB : $59
8400 GS 256MB : $49
8300 GT 256MB : $39
8300 GS 128MB : $29

I realize some of these cards don't currently exist, but this would blanket the marketplace for Nvidia, and it would be extremely competitive.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: solofly
NCIX is a safe place to shop. Probably the largest vendor in the whole country of Canada. I can get any gear locally but prefer dealing with them instead.

there is nothing wrong with NCIX ... but with the Canadian dollar stronger than the US dollar, i'd prefer to buy from NewEgg

They have a Canadian and US website. Each shows the respective currency price.

But they buy with Canadian Dollars and i get screwed with the exchange rate - just like you guys did in the past

i can get the same card with the same mark-up when it becomes available for $20 less ...

and i DO believe that nvidia has an answer forthcoming

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: solofly

http://www.ncixus.com/products...78/H290PR512DVN-R/HIS/

That's a crap price. I have never heard of the vendor either.. best to wait for the good vendors to sell like Egg or ZZF[/quote]

Not sure about the price, but I can attest that ncix are very reputable. When they sold me a vid card with slower memory than advertised - they paid shipping both ways without issue.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: apoppin


But they buy with Canadian Dollars and i get screwed with the exchange rate - just like you guys did in the past

Well if your government spends like drunken fools..................... (delete for off topic) :evil:

 

[thilanliyan]

At least here in Canada NCIX are very reputable. I've bought lots of comp stuff from them, including my monitor and water-cooling gear and have never had a problem with them.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: apoppin


But they buy with Canadian Dollars and i get screwed with the exchange rate - just like you guys did in the past

Well if your government spends like drunken fools..................... (delete for off topic) :evil:

whatEVER the reason ... i pay *extra* to buy from a Canadian e-tailer ...
no way ... it IS released here on the 30th, i think ... i DON'T mind waiting a few days ... if somehow i "miss" it, the 2900xt will be in the $250 price range soon enough

Now i am going to play CliveBarker's Jericho Demo ... took me an entire hour to D/L it

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: dreddfunk

how funny...we've heard this same argument about 2900xt vs 8800gtx a lot lately. People say "the 2900xt will be better, just give it a year or two". That's crap! These cards are designed for use NOW. The only benefit they might have if they work better in the future is that you might be able to have decent fps for 2 yrs instead of 1.5. That's no benefit at all to ati for 2900xt or nvidia for 8800gts. If the 2900 pro "scores" better or has better fps than 8800gts in most people's applications RIGHT NOW it will be a hit, if it doesn't then nobody will notice or care about it. Hopefully it will work great and 8800gts 320 will drop to $225...

Brian - I think you missed my point entirely. I never meant to imply anyone should buy a card for the possibility of future performance improvements from driver optimizations. I don't think--at all--that there is some hidden 2900xt performance to be unleashed, and I didn't see that implication in RS' post either. He seemed to merely say that we should bench these cards at higher resolutions to evaluate the cards better and that the 2900's lack of ROPs and texture units may hinder their performance in certain games.

I think the cards are a bit of a toss up in terms of performance right now, and it seems to me to afford us an opportunity to see the effect of memory size on performance at higher resolutions. I'm interested in seeing the impact of the three memory sizes (320, 512, and 640) on high-resolution performance in current games.

The last observation was a throw-away comment in the sense that I think Nvidia may have done a better job balancing their shader-to-ROP/texture ratios for games *right now*. I.e., that AMD, sometime in the past, made a bad guess as to the requirements of games *right now*, and ended up with cards that may have too few ROPs/texture units.

In neither case did I mean to refer in any way to the possibility of future improvements, nor did I mean to demean the 2900pro at all, in fact, quite the contrary. As I've recently purchased a 24" 1920x1200 panel, I'm leery of the GTS 320MB precisely because of the memory limits. The differences between the 320's & 640's performance has been documented. I just want to take that a step further and see if the step up from 320 to 512 makes an important difference.

Cheers.

the 2900 pro isn't going to be limited on texture units or rop's, it is just an underclocked 2900xt. are you referring to the 2900 gt?

Nvidia has done a MUCH better job with the current generation of gfx because they were able to optimize their cards to run great with current games. Realistically, if AMD could have made their current cards on 55nm they would probably have blown away nvidia this time around, but they just couldn't keep the heat under control with the 80nm process. Nvidia certainly knows what DAAMIT can do at 55nm, so they are probably getting ready for a new monster of their own. It's going to be very intersting in Q1 imho.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: apoppin


But they buy with Canadian Dollars and i get screwed with the exchange rate - just like you guys did in the past

Well if your government spends like drunken fools..................... (delete for off topic) :evil:

whatEVER the reason ... i pay *extra* to buy from a Canadian e-tailer ...
no way ... it IS released here on the 30th, i think ... i DON'T mind waiting a few days ... if somehow i "miss" it, the 2900xt will be in the $250 price range soon enough

Now i am going to play CliveBarker's Jericho Demo ... took me an entire hour to D/L it

You really think that 2900xt will be down to 250 by dec? I heard that rv670 won't be out until Q1 08 and that it is 2950 pro only at first, so maybe feb,mar, or later for 2950 xt. I would be ok waiting 3 mos for a 2900xt vs the 2900 pro if it's really going down that soon.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: apoppin


But they buy with Canadian Dollars and i get screwed with the exchange rate - just like you guys did in the past

Well if your government spends like drunken fools..................... (delete for off topic) :evil:

whatEVER the reason ... i pay *extra* to buy from a Canadian e-tailer ...
no way ... it IS released here on the 30th, i think ... i DON'T mind waiting a few days ... if somehow i "miss" it, the 2900xt will be in the $250 price range soon enough

Now i am going to play CliveBarker's Jericho Demo ... took me an entire hour to D/L it

You really think that 2900xt will be down to 250 by dec? I heard that rv670 won't be out until Q1 08 and that it is 2950 pro only at first, so maybe feb,mar, or later for 2950 xt. I would be ok waiting 3 mos for a 2900xt vs the 2900 pro if it's really going down that soon.

by December? ... where did i say that?


i said "soon enough" ... as soon as the 2950 series and whatever nvidia releases to counter it, the 2900xt will go the way of the x1800xt ... very quickly ... it isn't really very popular as it does use a lot of power ... i expect as the faster and less power-hungry cards are released, they are gonna blow out the remaining 2900XT stock [unlike nvidia who wisely maximizes every penny by tightly controlling inventory]

i can wait till Q1; everyone else with a GTS/GTX is in "my boat" ... if the new GPUs really are +30% faster, HD2900 CrossFire is still going to be close in performance to the new top single GPU
-that is my reasoning anyway ... i think i will have these cards for up to a full year ... when most of the 8800GTX ultra guys upgrade, i will also


... and Jericho Demo IS really impressive .... runs GREAT @16x10 with everything maxed out on my rig including motion blur [which looks good unlike in Lost Planet] ... worth the time for the 1GB d/l

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: apoppin
ok ... i mean find me one on NewEgg
--or at LEAST an e-tailer i know ... for less then $250



i DID say it will be *very limited* quantities ... what 30K or so?
-$250 will be a good price ... if i miss one, then i have to wait for 2900xt to drop below $250 [my guess - in Dec, with the release of 2950xt] ...
but i want it now

you said it right here!

 

[ronnn]

I keep hearing that the 2950pro is almost ready to go. Maybe November release.

 

[SickBeast]

What's going on right now with 3D cards is disgusting. I don't think I've ever seen it take this long for a next-generation card to come out. Noone can compete with Nvidia anymore and they're just sitting and waiting, making money at our expense.

Yes, the 2950Pro is a nice card at a great price. The problem is that it's too little, too late. People buying cards now are going to want performance that is at least twice as fast as an 8800GTX; Crysis and such will need that type of horsepower.

It reminds me of the X1950 cards. They were tremendous bargains once they reached $200, but they were significantly slower than the 8800 cards and did not have DX10 (which in the end didn't matter, but at the time it was a desirable feature).

If I were a casual gamer I would want this card. For serious gamers, ATI has been a huge disappointment this year.

Perhaps two of these cards in CrossFire might be interesting.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: apoppin
ok ... i mean find me one on NewEgg
--or at LEAST an e-tailer i know ... for less then $250



i DID say it will be *very limited* quantities ... what 30K or so?
-$250 will be a good price ... if i miss one, then i have to wait for 2900xt to drop below $250 [my guess - in Dec, with the release of 2950xt] ...
but i want it now

you said it right here!

oh .... that's where

i guess i was hedging my bets



i think the 'sales' will start in December ... whether the 2900xt is at $250 then remains to be seen. The 2900p and 2900GT will put pressure on itspricing

at any rate ... i can wait - with everyone else - if necessary for Q1
... but *why* wouldn't a new faster GPU [either nvidia or AMD] be out for the holiday buying season?

i really DO think we may see $250 HD2900xts then ... after all, we saw it at $320 just over a month after release when i got mine ... the "margin" is there

 

[CrystalBay]

Hey SickBeast, but do you really think the next cards will be twice as fast??? I don't.

What I mean is nV has been amazing at doubling performance(since nV40) They have hit a stumbling block , as well as AMD has ...

I think DX 10 is the blame....