2700K released - What do you expect with OC / binning of this chip?

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grkM3

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theres a few people at xtreme systems that have benched thease and one couldnt get past 50x,so much for better binned and the other 4 were all stuck at 54-55 mutlys in SS cooling just like most 2600ks.

save ya money folks,these are nothing more than a 2600k labled as a 2700k and to get good clockers you have to get a lucky one just like the 2600ks
 

Ferzerp

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Preliminary results for my 2700K:

Stable 4.6 Ghz @ 1.280v
Stable 4.8 Ghz @ 1.344v
Stable 5.0 Ghz @ 1.456v - Prime95 one full pass @ 73C, Crysis 2 - 15 minutes @ 48C - Uncrashable for 60 minutes
Gaming stable 5.2 Ghz @ 1.512v - Crysis 2 for 20 minutes @ 53C, Prime95 gets too hot, shut it down at 75C (yeh I'm a pansy, but I just spent $360 too).

I have not tried to push it higher. It is time to move the rig out of the 600T case and into the 650D so I can properly setup the H100; I'm also planning a better cooling system. I want to try to keep the chip in 55C range under load at 5.2-5.3 and see how it runs Prime95. I don't like to run Prime95 with temps passing Tcase (72.6) for more than a couple of minutes, and as usual, a chip that is "game stable" will often crash with 5-10 minutes of Prime95. Still 5.2Ghz is good for gaming!

Summary: The 2700K didn't disappoint nor did it surprise me. It passes for a cherry 2600K, but doesn't beat my best 2600K which only requires 1.440v for 5.0 or 1.460v for 5.1. What remains to be seen is what the average performance of 2700K is. If the 2700K binning proves to provide an automatic 5.0Ghz at around 1.45v, I think it is worth the price for folks wanting top performance for 1/3 the price of top SB-E, considering how many 2600Ks I've heard some people try before getting a top overclocker.

I consider any Sandy Bridge i7 that goes 5.1 Ghz at under 1.5v to be a good chip.

But Tjunction is not Tcase at all. Is Tjunction still 99 or 100 C on those?
 

mrjoltcola

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It is premature to declare the 2700K a waste of money, or to declare it no better than the 2600K. I'm seeing a better binned chip. For some buyers, $40 extra isn't an issue, if it means a high overclock at low volts/temps, and we are still talking $360! Three years ago people were dropping $1k left and right for the top performing quad. Better deal than 2600K? No, but then not everyone cares about price at this price-level.

My take is a little more positive, I haven't seen a 2700K report yet that didn't go 50x easily, so this points to better binning.

Some people are under the misconception that all 2600Ks go 50x; I don't know for sure how that sort of misinformation started, but I think I have a clue, it is all the review sites using their "cherry" 2600K that does 5.3 on air, misleading the masses. Those who've tested larger numbers can tell you it is pretty far off the truth. A lot of owners dont get past 46x, folks. A lesser percentage of 2600K will not go past 48x, no matter what voltage. ASUS tested 100 retail 2600Ks and percentages were actually worse than I found in my small sample. Direct from ASUS ROG group here http://www.asusrog.com/forums/showt...ridge-CPU-Overview-and-CPU-Overclocking-Guide . They report a significant percentage (50%) that max 45x, smaller group max 47x (40%), and a select few (10%) that go 50x or higher. Maybe this is consevative, but I have to believe they use sane voltage limits in their test, rather than 1.6v just to achive a number. This falls in line with what I see reported on these forums. Ask how many people with a 50x chip actually had to try more than one to get there. Where do you think all of these new, unboxed 2600Ks on eBay came from? Cherry picking. This isn't a new practice.

We see a lot of 50x claims on AT and other forums, so much that it seems to draw yawns from the crowd now, but there are plenty of threads where folks can't get their chips even in the neighborhood of 48x, and the majority of chip owners don't post their numbers, or if they get cruddy results they are embarassed by all of the other sigs or think they have a "bad" chip. Misinformation.

If 2700K turns out to be an automatic 5Ghz chip @ < 1.475v, then it will in fact be a good chip for the overclocker who isn't on a shoestring budget.

For the rest, well it is hard to argue with the value of the 2500K, now that Intel has dropped the price even more, but I'm still glad we have a second i7 Sandy in the running.
 

grkM3

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IM not talking about air cooling ,Im talking max runs where a higher binned chip will make a difference.IM typing this on 52x 2600k at 1.520 volts and im sure none of those review sites pushed 1.5+ volts into them.

so far from a max run binning point they are doing like most 2600ks do,some hit 52-53x and some hit 54-55 and very few hit 56-57x just like the 2600ks,its the same exact stepping even.

see if your chip will boot at a 55x multy with 1.55 volts
 

mrjoltcola

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Read the ASUS study. Sure they used > 1.5v. They specifically discuss 1.535v, and these guys design great motherboards, so they know what they are doing.

When I get downtime I'll boot one of my boxes at 55x just for grins, but I'm not sure what it proves. The topic of the thread was binning, and no study I've seen shows anything but that no more than 20% of 2600Ks go 5.0 load stable, of course we are still waiting for 2700K data.
 

Rvenger

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I thought Intel's original plan is to discontinue the 2600k so there is a bigger gap between the i5 and i7?
 

Ben90

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But Tjunction is not Tcase at all. Is Tjunction still 99 or 100 C on those?
I believe the official number floating around is 98*C. I really can't remember where that number came from though, Intel hasn't really done that much publishing of SB.

Ark.Intel gives SB a TCase of 72.6 and Lynnfield a TCase of 72.7. Lynnfield had a 100*C Tjunction. In comparison, Bloomfield a processor with a 95*C Tjunction, has a TCase of 67.9*C.
 

Ben90

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BS.

No way is that chipping running at 6.3GHz, much less on H20, and on top of that playing Assassin's Creed for hours :rolleyes: Someone show me a 6.3GHz validation with one of these chips, if he's playing games on it he can surely provide a CPU-Z validation file. Me thinks a site just wants increased traffic and so they are BSing some numbers.
CPU-z Validation is a joke. Can anyone find whats wrong with my validation?
 

Zap

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A lot of owners dont get past 46x, folks. A lesser percentage of 2600K will not go past 48x, no matter what voltage.
...the majority of chip owners don't post their numbers, or if they get cruddy results they are embarassed by all of the other sigs or think they have a "bad" chip.

That makes total sense. With a few different 2500K that I tried pushing, two would do 4.7GHz but one couldn't even boot Windows at that speed, so just in my small sampling there have been definite differences.

Basically, as always overclocking is YMMV. Sandy Bridge has not changed that.

I remember BITD I had a terrible Opteron 144. People around here were quite insulting to me, blaming my hardware or outright calling me a stupid liar. That's disregarding the fact that I had a bunch of them and was testing on the same hardware. My best one was solid at 2.9GHz but the terrible one was barely 2.2GHz while the others were around 2.7GHz. Again, all tested on same hardware.

If 2700K turns out to be an automatic 5Ghz chip @ < 1.475v, then it will in fact be a good chip for the overclocker who isn't on a shoestring budget.

Well, consider this. A couple of boutique builders are already advertising factory overclocks of 5GHz.

Maingear
"MAINGEAR can coverclock the Intel® Core™ i7-2600k up to 5GHz!"

Origin
"5.0GHz is not a barrier. Select the over-clockable CPU and the ORIGIN technicians will crank it up to the maximum stable speed. Over-clocked so you can rock! It's not just a slogan, it's a guarantee!"
 

Midwayman

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save ya money folks,these are nothing more than a 2600k labled as a 2700k and to get good clockers you have to get a lucky one just like the 2600ks

I'd be careful with that. If yields haven't really improved and they're just creating a new speed bin, that means 2600k from now on will be more likely to be poor overclockers relative to what we've seen.
 

Remobz

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I'd be careful with that. If yields haven't really improved and they're just creating a new speed bin, that means 2600k from now on will be more likely to be poor overclockers relative to what we've seen.

Good point. Wait and see.
 

Ben90

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I'd be careful with that. If yields haven't really improved and they're just creating a new speed bin, that means 2600k from now on will be more likely to be poor overclockers relative to what we've seen.
How much empirical evidence do we have that low VID chips overclock better than higher VID ones? Since 2600K's have no problem hitting the frequencies offered by the 2700K, the main difference if anything will be VID.

On a whole, leakier transistors will clock higher than their lower voltage counterparts with the side affect of using more power. It really depends on the process technology, but its not too far fetched seeing golden chips that can't pass validation for the best stock bins. I'd be interested in seeing what kind of power consumption the TWRK CPU's used when running at stock Phenom II settings.