2700 v 3200 (DDR ram)

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maluckey

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blackrain

To confuse matters even more, you shouldn't necessarily concern yourself over FSB ratings so much as the PCB and chips used. Some PC2700 is actually the same as their PC3200. Kinston and Corsair are famous for this. I have PC2700 that is BH-5 and some others from Kinston that are BH-6. Noth are rated as PC2700 @ 2-2-2-5. They are the same exact chips as the BH-5 PC3500 that I had earlier.

All of the module listed above run fine at 220 Mhz FSB at 2-2-2-11 in dual channel.
 

JEDIYoda

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actually that has nothing to do with this thread....
it has been my experience that you cannot do anything to the ram such as mess with the CAS...
when you have 2 different memories the bios automatically will default to the lslowest of the 2 memory modules. Your comp will revert to defaults each and everytime you boot up....defaults are just that defaults!!
 

blackrain

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I exchanged the pc2700 for the pc 3200...I quickly looked and didn't see if the CL was 2 or 3 on the package for the PNY 2700...so its not clear what it was. Anyway, i'm looking at the Kingston memory and its CL3. woops. So does this mean it sucks?

there's two kinds by the way, KVR400/512R and KVR400/512

The 512R (the one I got) appears to be ECC registered whereas the other version is non-ECC.

So will there be a noticeable difference with gaming? Is it better to have pc2700 with a lower latency?

screw this...i'm returning this crap tomorrow and getting one of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220060
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80097-17
 

maluckey

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actually that has nothing to do with this thread.... it has been my experience that you cannot do anything to the ram such as mess with the CAS...
when you have 2 different memories the bios automatically will default to the lslowest of the 2 memory modules. Your comp will revert to defaults each and everytime you boot up....defaults are just that defaults!!

If youset the timings to "auto" then you are correct. You can set the mobo to run any way you want in manual timing. You can set CAS 3 to run at CAS 2 if it suits you. Wheter the RAM can handle it is another matter.
 

JBT

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Between PC2700 and 3200 def get the 3200. 3200 can more than likely be used in another system down the road. PC2700 will more than likely bottle neck CPU's in the future.
 

Blain

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Originally posted by: Wentelteefje
Originally posted by: Blain
Usually you CAN'T lower the CAS even if you run the memory at a slower FSB.
Yes you can... Some people even managed to lower their cas latencies at the nominal speed, but therefore you already need some decent voltages most of the time...
Can anyone here validate that?

 

Wentelteefje

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Originally posted by: blackrain
I exchanged the pc2700 for the pc 3200...I quickly looked and didn't see if the CL was 2 or 3 on the package for the PNY 2700...so its not clear what it was. Anyway, i'm looking at the Kingston memory and its CL3. woops. So does this mean it sucks?

there's two kinds by the way, KVR400/512R and KVR400/512

The 512R (the one I got) appears to be ECC registered whereas the other version is non-ECC.

So will there be a noticeable difference with gaming? Is it better to have pc2700 with a lower latency?

screw this...i'm returning this crap tomorrow and getting one of these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220060
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80097-17
Oops... You had to take the non-ECC one... :( Of the ones you mentioned, take whichever you "like" most, because they are both great...
 

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Very interesting,I just ordered GeIL 1GB (2x512MB) PC4400 Ultra Platinum CAS3 @ £125 yet the pc3200 ones are listed as CAS2,and are around 1/2 the price....would it be better to get the pc3200 or the 4400? The memory speed has my head spinning now,is it type of memory or speed of memory that's more important?
 

Wentelteefje

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Originally posted by: Germonicus
Very interesting,I just ordered GeIL 1GB (2x512MB) PC4400 Ultra Platinum CAS3 @ £125 yet the pc3200 ones are listed as CAS2,and are around 1/2 the price....would it be better to get the pc3200 or the 4400? The memory speed has my head spinning now,is it type of memory or speed of memory that's more important?
No, it's fairly easy... The PC4400 runs at 275MHz, while the PC3200 runs at 200MHz... It would be impossible to have PC4400 sticks with a Cas Latency of 2... To make up for the speed, they upped the Cas...

It all depends on whether you want to overclock or not... If you do, the PC3200 sticks aren't guaranteed to hit 275MHz... Therefore it'd be better to pick the PC4400 ones instead (and yes, they cost a lot more)... If you're not going to overlock, or only mildly, the PC3200 sticks should do fine...

BTW PC4400 with a Cas Latency of 3 is really nice! :thumbsup:

EDIT: Welcome to the forums! :)
 

Wentelteefje

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Originally posted by: maluckey
actually that has nothing to do with this thread.... it has been my experience that you cannot do anything to the ram such as mess with the CAS...
when you have 2 different memories the bios automatically will default to the lslowest of the 2 memory modules. Your comp will revert to defaults each and everytime you boot up....defaults are just that defaults!!

If youset the timings to "auto" then you are correct. You can set the mobo to run any way you want in manual timing. You can set CAS 3 to run at CAS 2 if it suits you. Whether the RAM can handle it is another matter.
QFT... Lowering your CAS is perfectly possible, but most of the time, it's the chips that are limiting you from doing so...

 

blackrain

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I have seen a few online discussions that the difference between cas 2 and cas 2.5 is almost negligible (maybe a 3-4% difference at the most)...is that true in every case? as far as prices, it seems like there is only a $10 difference.

as far as my situation goes, it seems like I took one step backward. In thinking that I was getting something better (3200 v. 2700) I incidentally downgraded myself from cl 2.5 to cl3 (the PNY memory at Best Buy appears to be cl 2.5) I have to return the Kingston memory regardless because they gave me registered memory...just wondering if I should try to get the PNY memory back or should I get CL 2.5 3200 online, or even CL 2 3200 online.

Side question: As you can tell from this thread, initially I didn't really understand how complicated memory is today. I was trying to go cheap for now and add another stick later. But I sense a problem in doing that. Memory modules from different manufacturers seem to have different timings. If I buy one 512 mb CL2.5 stick right now and a second one later with different timings, they probably aren't going to be in synch. It just seems like I should buy a dual channel kit or a 1GB module today instead of buying one stick now and waiting to add another one later. Am I overcomplicating this? Probably

Edit: How does one 1GB module compare to 2 512mb modules in dual channel? Is there any reason to get one versus the other (my board has dual channel DDR)
 

Wentelteefje

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Originally posted by: blackrain
I have seen a few online discussions that the difference between cas 2 and cas 2.5 is almost negligible (maybe a 3-4% difference at the most)...is that true in every case? as far as prices, it seems like there is only a $10 difference.

as far as my situation goes, it seems like I took one step backward. In thinking that I was getting something better (3200 v. 2700) I incidentally downgraded myself from cl 2.5 to cl3 (the PNY memory at Best Buy appears to be cl 2.5) I have to return the Kingston memory regardless because they gave me registered memory...just wondering if I should try to get the PNY memory back or should I get CL 2.5 3200 online, or even CL 2 3200 online.

Side question: As you can tell from this thread, initially I didn't really understand how complicated memory is today. I was trying to go cheap for now and add another stick later. But I sense a problem in doing that. Memory modules from different manufacturers seem to have different timings. If I buy one 512 mb CL2.5 stick right now and a second one later with different timings, they probably aren't going to be in synch. It just seems like I should buy a dual channel kit or a 1GB module today instead of buying one stick now and waiting to add another one later. Am I overcomplicating this? Probably

Edit: How does one 1GB module compare to 2 512mb modules in dual channel? Is there any reason to get one versus the other (my board has dual channel DDR)
A lot to clarify... :) The difference between a Cas of 2 and 2.5 is indeed hardly noticeable... Where it may make a difference however, is in the overclocking department... RAM that has a CL of 2 @ 200MHz will, almost certainly, be pushed further than RAM with a CL of 2.5... Not because it has the lower Cas, but because of the fact that you can up it twice... If your RAM can't go higher than 220MHz @ CL 2, it will probably go as high as 240MHz (just numbers), once you upped the CL to 2.5...

If you raise it to 3 (the limit of most mobo's), you could maybe even hit higher... The CL 2.5 RAM can only be upped to 3... However, by buying sticks with a CL of 2, you are buying high-quality sticks... Manufacturers use better memory chips for these in comparison with their "value" lines... Which makes sense...

The PC2700 memory may have a lower latency, but it will lose to the Cas 3 PC3200 because of the lesser bandwidth... There's a point where low latencies lose to high speeds... However, the RAM sticks are almost certainly identical to one another... The PC3200 one can probably be lowered to a Cas of 2.5 at PC2700 speeds... Don't see it as "worse" memory... Buying your memory online is always the best outcome, as prices are much lower than in retail stores...

Memory sticks from different manufacturers don't often have different timings... Fast Corsairs usually have timings like 2-3-3-6, so do others like OCZ and Crucial... The memory modules are made by independent memory manufacturers, such as Hynix, Winbond and Samsung, and these are used throughout different brands...

Modern motherboards know how to handle different sticks, but mostly it's wiser to just stick (no pun intended) with the same brand and model if you want to add sticks later... If you buy a stick today, and you want another one tomorrow, then that should be fine, even for dual channel... If the timings are different, modules will be "corrected" by the mobo so they can run fine...

If you make sure that the module you'll buy within some months is completely the same, then you'll have no problems whatsoever...

A single 1GB module will be slower when compared to dual channel configs of course... However, the difference will not be that apparent (look at Socket 754 versus Socket 939) for gaming, but only in memory-dependant situations... The only reason I can think of, is not wanting to have problems when occupying all four memory slots... :p If you want 2GB, then IMHO it's better to buy a 1 gig stick now, and the other one later, instead of 4x512MB... You could however buy a dual channel kit now, and sell it when you want to upgrade to 2 gigs... That would be even better...

Hope I helped...
 

blackrain

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Thanks for the lengthy reply...I hate to overcomplicate this.

The problem with buying from retail stores seems to be that you only get a good deal on the "value" ram.

So how far away are we from needing 2GB of ram for games? A few months, a year, three years?

 

fire400

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i got a p4northwood with ddr333, no difference than ddr400 in real world performance
 

blackrain

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Originally posted by: shoRunner
Originally posted by: t3h l337 n3wb
If you bought RAM from Best Buy, return it and get your money back. They overprice a $hitload on RAM, and you can get it for about half the price online. Go to Newegg or ZipZoomFly, where you can get 1GB of PC3200 RAM for about $75. That's about how much a 512MB stick of PC2700 RAM costs at Best Buy.


best buy currently has 512 pc3200 kingston ram for $40, cheaper than any ram on newegg after shipping....pwnd?


Don't think so...newegg has a couple under $40 that have CL 2.5. Shipping is $5. BUt don't forget that you have to pay tax at Best Buy. And the Kingston ram at Best buy is CL 3.

One thing is for sure....newegg is a better deal.
 

Wentelteefje

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Originally posted by: blackrain
Thanks for the lengthy reply...I hate to overcomplicate this.

The problem with buying from retail stores seems to be that you only get a good deal on the "value" ram.

So how far away are we from needing 2GB of ram for games? A few months, a year, three years?
The 2GB is starting to show its influence already... Games like BF2 and F.E.A.R. take over 1GB (but that's with settings your soon-to-be 6600GT won't be able to run acceptably), and the upcoming ES: Oblivion and ET: Quake Wars (with the "Mega-texture") seem like they'll take a lot of mem as well ... However, you can still game fine with 1GB, and the games you'll play, at the settings the 6600GT can handle, will have enough with 1GB...

2GB will come in handy for the guy that wants to crank up all the settings with his SLIed G71's (or CrossFired R580's of course)... For you, no need... Future-wise, games will start taking more and more RAM of course... IMHO, you still have enough for another year with 1GB... After that, it'll be time to upgrade if you want to play the newest games decently...
 

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Originally posted by: blackrain

Don't think so...newegg has a couple under $40 that have CL 2.5. Shipping is $5. BUt don't forget that you have to pay tax at Best Buy. And the Kingston ram at Best buy is CL 3.

One thing is for sure....newegg is a better deal.

I'm in CA, so I have to pay tax on newegg anyway.

For value ram you can get amazing deals if you're willing to go the extra mile...I know that Circuit City had a sale on the same kingston ram last week + rebate, if you bought then and were able to pricematch to Best Buy this week you could have made $8. I got my PC2700 PNY ram for my old machine from Staples for $6 using a similar method.

Something else those retail stores beat newegg on is PATA hard drives. You can pay around 25 cents a gb after rebate.

However, for better selection and newer technology, NewEgg, ZZF, Chiefvalue etc. are almost impossible to beat pricewise.

-z
 

Howland

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Office Max has that 512MB Kingston 3200 memory for $75 with a $35 rebate this week. So if you can pricematch Best Buy's price, you could get it for $39.99 - the $35 rebate.

I think I'm going to try it for my new rig.
 

blackrain

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Originally posted by: Wentelteefje
Originally posted by: blackrain
Thanks for the lengthy reply...I hate to overcomplicate this.

The problem with buying from retail stores seems to be that you only get a good deal on the "value" ram.

So how far away are we from needing 2GB of ram for games? A few months, a year, three years?
The 2GB is starting to show its influence already... Games like BF2 and F.E.A.R. take over 1GB (but that's with settings your soon-to-be 6600GT won't be able to run acceptably), and the upcoming ES: Oblivion and ET: Quake Wars (with the "Mega-texture") seem like they'll take a lot of mem as well ... However, you can still game fine with 1GB, and the games you'll play, at the settings the 6600GT can handle, will have enough with 1GB...

2GB will come in handy for the guy that wants to crank up all the settings with his SLIed G71's (or CrossFired R580's of course)... For you, no need... Future-wise, games will start taking more and more RAM of course... IMHO, you still have enough for another year with 1GB... After that, it'll be time to upgrade if you want to play the newest games decently...


So even if I had a better video card (better than 6600GT) I would also need more than 1GB memory to play the latest games at high settings?
 

Wentelteefje

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Originally posted by: blackrain
Originally posted by: Wentelteefje
Originally posted by: blackrain
Thanks for the lengthy reply...I hate to overcomplicate this.

The problem with buying from retail stores seems to be that you only get a good deal on the "value" ram.

So how far away are we from needing 2GB of ram for games? A few months, a year, three years?
The 2GB is starting to show its influence already... Games like BF2 and F.E.A.R. take over 1GB (but that's with settings your soon-to-be 6600GT won't be able to run acceptably), and the upcoming ES: Oblivion and ET: Quake Wars (with the "Mega-texture") seem like they'll take a lot of mem as well ... However, you can still game fine with 1GB, and the games you'll play, at the settings the 6600GT can handle, will have enough with 1GB...

2GB will come in handy for the guy that wants to crank up all the settings with his SLIed G71's (or CrossFired R580's of course)... For you, no need... Future-wise, games will start taking more and more RAM of course... IMHO, you still have enough for another year with 1GB... After that, it'll be time to upgrade if you want to play the newest games decently...


So even if I had a better video card (better than 6600GT) I would also need more than 1GB memory to play the latest games at high settings?
I said that you'll be fine with 1GB, because your GT can't handle the settings that would require more than a gig... People who have high-end cards and max every single setting will need more memory, that's true...