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26" Samsung HDTV ready 399+ship
- Thread starter Jokersmoker
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AMDZen
Lifer
Not to Thread Crap
But for $5 more this is the one I was going to get, its the newer model, looks a bit better and it is 1" bigger 😀
But for $5 more this is the one I was going to get, its the newer model, looks a bit better and it is 1" bigger 😀
Jokersmoker
Text Enjoy
Good deal!
Devistater
Diamond Member
Because things like HD DVD, Toshiba already announced that when the HD DVD players come out, they wont output HDTV to anything without HDMI input. So you are kinda shooting yourself in the foot if you buy a new one without that kinda input. Unless you dont mind sticking with DVD resolution for the entire time you own this.
DVD resolution is approx 700x500, whereas something like 1080i is 1920x1080 resolution. Just a time bit of differance 🙂
As long as someone knows this and are making an informed decision, I have no problem with them jumping on it.
And to throw your own paraphrased comment back at you
"Ignore the ignorance"
BrokenVisage
Lifer
Exactly, the TV is a great deal for some bedroom HDTV, but HDMI will be a must for things like Blu Ray in the future. And if you're calling what he said "stupidity" then it's time to do a little reading.
It's still not "outdated" technology. No one knows if HD DVD or Blu Ray will win out. Not only that, it'll be atleast 2-3 years before we even see these become available and affordable enough for people to have them in their homes.
Just because it doesn't have DVI does not mean its outdated. It's still an IGNORANT comment to call it that. The technology he's talking about isn't even out! You can say whatever, but it's just stupid. For $399 - you can have HDTV NOW. For such little money.
Pointing it out is one thing..but calling it outdated to people who might potentially be buying this TV isn't right. Don't confuse people who don't know anything about HDTV. It's not an outdated product. It's also OBVIOUSLY not going to have every bell and whistle for $399. The TV itself will not be useless even then, because DTV/Dish/Cable/OTA will not be going the route of DVI/HDMI.
Ignore the stupidity. There is a better way to say things.
Say what you want..but he used the word OUTDATED TECHNOLOGY.
You said FUTURE.
Are you people dumb or what? My point was...this is NOT outdated. He shouldn't have said that. He should have said "this unit doesn't have DVI/HDMI, so in the future you wont be able to...."
Not scare off people who don't know about HDTV and all the suddent think they wont be able to use it with their normal TV viewing.
Thats all I meant.
Samsung dvd players has had dvd player that has an upverter build in for over a year now. DVI out only. I've seen the difference and although not HD-dvd quality its is a nice upgrade to standard progressive dvd. I have an 55 HDTV with no DVI or HDMI inputs and I'm already thinking of replacing it eventually.
On the other hand 26inch screen is much smaller, a standard progressive dvd would still look great. I don't think anyone has plans to put this kind of TV their home theater so the lack of DVD or HDMI probably isnt much of a concern for someone looking to buy this tv. This is still a really nice deal.
On the other hand 26inch screen is much smaller, a standard progressive dvd would still look great. I don't think anyone has plans to put this kind of TV their home theater so the lack of DVD or HDMI probably isnt much of a concern for someone looking to buy this tv. This is still a really nice deal.
imported_goku
Diamond Member
Guys, ever consider that they'll have dongles to convert HDMI/encrypted signals to non encrypted signals/component?
Nice tv. I have one and it plays upconverted 1080i dvd's quite nicely...thru Zoomplayer and an htpc w/6600gt and component. Service menu is reachable and tweakable. Only thing I can't fully correct is the sidebars in 4:3 content. They tend to bloom a bit with bright backgrounds. Setting them to gray helps. Geometry is just about 95% perfect with only some slight bending of sidebars on 4:3 content.. Farcry looks good on it, too!
Devistater
Diamond Member
I dont think theres any dongle that can make analog output like RCA or SVIDEO into digital output like DVI/HDMI. Which is probably what you would need since you'd be using analog outputs from a standalone HD DVD player if you didn't have HDMI.
As for cloning an HDMI signal (i.e. making one without encryption), sure there's a device (or something similar anyway, I came across something when I was looking into the stuff about how windows Vista/longhorn was going to require something similar for a computer monitor or else it would forcibly lower the resolution). Costs about $400 last I looked. But that doesn't help much if your TV doesn't have HDMI input. And at $400 just buy a new HDTV when the standards stabilize 🙂
Anyway, to ME, its a HUGE deal if I buy a supposed HDTV that wont even play HDTV movies from a player in HD resolution. Which in the case of HD DVD, it wont. Toshiba (as the main leader of the HD DVD stuff) announced that standalone HD DVD players would only output HD resolution from HDMI digital outputs. It only outputs 480p (standard dvd resolution of approx 700x500) on the analog outputs.
Now blu-ray hasn't said as much about thier players, but I imagine they will do something similar because of the pressure from the broadcasting and movie industry.
So either way, you will need a TV thats capable of encrypted digital signals if you want to play retail HD disks on a standalone player, and this is not.
But, if you just want a appliance that will play cable TV and sattelite TV that are broadcast in HD, as HDTV on the screen, sure this is a GREAT priced device you can use in the meanwhile.
Again, I have NO PROBLEM with people buying this if they are INFORMED about what they are getting.
Yeah most supposed HDTVs dont have nearly the pixels nessasary to display native 1080i content. They just scale it. Ever notice how its hard to track down actual pixels on a HDTV? You have to go to manufacture website and dig around, and sometimes it wont show it even then. Thats because TV's (even most of the HDTVs) have pitiful pixel numbers in general.
Here's the product page on the HDTV from the OP:
http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc...duct_detail.jsp?prod_id=TXN2668WHFXXAA
Notice there's no pixel count anywhere? The actual amount of pixels is probably barely around 700x500 (dvd res) if I had to guess. Now you DO get better picture from scaling HDTV source to a lower # of pixels than just a normal res analog source. But you also get a far better quality if your display actually has the native number of pixels for HDTV that you want to watch, like 720p or 1080i.
Again, if you are INFORMED, I have no problem with ppl taking advantage of this deal. And I have nothing against jokersmoker, he posts tons of great stuff. I'm just trying to inform people before they spend thier money on some potential issues.
As for cloning an HDMI signal (i.e. making one without encryption), sure there's a device (or something similar anyway, I came across something when I was looking into the stuff about how windows Vista/longhorn was going to require something similar for a computer monitor or else it would forcibly lower the resolution). Costs about $400 last I looked. But that doesn't help much if your TV doesn't have HDMI input. And at $400 just buy a new HDTV when the standards stabilize 🙂
Anyway, to ME, its a HUGE deal if I buy a supposed HDTV that wont even play HDTV movies from a player in HD resolution. Which in the case of HD DVD, it wont. Toshiba (as the main leader of the HD DVD stuff) announced that standalone HD DVD players would only output HD resolution from HDMI digital outputs. It only outputs 480p (standard dvd resolution of approx 700x500) on the analog outputs.
Now blu-ray hasn't said as much about thier players, but I imagine they will do something similar because of the pressure from the broadcasting and movie industry.
So either way, you will need a TV thats capable of encrypted digital signals if you want to play retail HD disks on a standalone player, and this is not.
But, if you just want a appliance that will play cable TV and sattelite TV that are broadcast in HD, as HDTV on the screen, sure this is a GREAT priced device you can use in the meanwhile.
Again, I have NO PROBLEM with people buying this if they are INFORMED about what they are getting.
Yeah most supposed HDTVs dont have nearly the pixels nessasary to display native 1080i content. They just scale it. Ever notice how its hard to track down actual pixels on a HDTV? You have to go to manufacture website and dig around, and sometimes it wont show it even then. Thats because TV's (even most of the HDTVs) have pitiful pixel numbers in general.
Here's the product page on the HDTV from the OP:
http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc...duct_detail.jsp?prod_id=TXN2668WHFXXAA
Notice there's no pixel count anywhere? The actual amount of pixels is probably barely around 700x500 (dvd res) if I had to guess. Now you DO get better picture from scaling HDTV source to a lower # of pixels than just a normal res analog source. But you also get a far better quality if your display actually has the native number of pixels for HDTV that you want to watch, like 720p or 1080i.
Again, if you are INFORMED, I have no problem with ppl taking advantage of this deal. And I have nothing against jokersmoker, he posts tons of great stuff. I'm just trying to inform people before they spend thier money on some potential issues.
I agree that with the current state of HDTV, it makes sense to get one with HDMI. The majority of new models coming out nowadays have HDMI, and if things continue as they are, future HDTV devices will only be outputting HDMI.
I think he's referring to a device that will convert an encrypted HDMI signal into an unencrypted component signal for full resolution display on an HDTV without HDMI. I think that we will see these devices for cheap money if the industry shifts to HDMI only output.
I think he's referring to a device that will convert an encrypted HDMI signal into an unencrypted component signal for full resolution display on an HDTV without HDMI. I think that we will see these devices for cheap money if the industry shifts to HDMI only output.
The term "outdated" is relative. In the context that he used it, he just meant that because of the newer technology of HDMI and DVI inputs, people should take heed in investing into TVs that don't have these inputs. This should especially be taken into consideration when there's a very good chance that HDMI may be the only connection for later generation devices.
I just bought this today http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp...yId=pcmcat31800050031&id=1099394251016
best bang for your buck I think. 26" with built in hd tuner
best bang for your buck I think. 26" with built in hd tuner
Devistater
Diamond Member
Not too bad, although no digital inputs, so same issues with not being able to hook up a HD standalone player and get HD signal to your TV would apply.
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