2560 x 1440 resolution

[PatrickCah]

Hi,

I am thinking about about upgrading my monitor ( DEll U2713H or U2713HM) My current monitor is a Dell U2412M. I has a 16:10 aspect ratio which I rather like. The 30" monitors are too expensive.
Did you get used to change in aspect ratio? I suppose I might have to enable Windows scaling for general browsing? I will be using the monitor for Photoshop also.
How do blu-rays and Netflix look on the higher resolution?
I have read some reviews which suggest that input response time is greater with the higher resolution. Is it noticeable?
I play some older games such Simcity 4. Does it support custom resoluions up to 2560 x 1440?
Is AA stilly necessary?

i5 2500k
gtx 670
8GB RAM
256 Samsung SSD

Thanks.

 

[dn7309]

no difference except there are no black bars on the 16.9 movies now. AA is not necessary but I have it on because my rig can handle it

 

[Throckmorton]

Yes you need AA still. SC4 supports almost any res through the command line switch. You don't have to scale anything unless the pixels are too small for you

 

[toyota]

no difference except there are no black bars on the 16.9 movies now. AA is not necessary but I have it on because my rig can handle it

there is nothing magical that happens at 2560x1400 to make AA unnecessary especially since the higher res will also be on a larger monitor. it all depends on the game but I can down sample 3200x1800 on even my 24 inch and jaggies are still quite apparent in the same games I noticed them in at 1920x1080. yes it helps quite a bit having higher res but we will always need AA.

 

[PatrickCah]

Hi Toyota,

I only use AA when I have performance to spare. Due to the fact that the 27" monitor has a higher PPI I thought AA would be mitigated somewhat. I never go beyond 4 AA.

What about input lag? Do ever found your mouse slow to respond? I read this review - http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2713h.htm.
The other option is one of those cheap Korean imports. I would go with the Dell but the review highlights a number of issues that bother me considering the price.


Thanks.

 

[skipsneeky2]

Stick with the U2412M, its a damn fine monitor. Had one and for games it was pretty amazing but I went back to a tn 1080p personally cause I hated the black bars in media content.

I gave much thought to a 1440p upgrade as well but I tell you it does seem like a meh upgrade with 4k becoming more affordable by the month it seems.

 

[KaRLiToS]

there is nothing magical that happens at 2560x1400 to make AA unnecessary especially since the higher res will also be on a larger monitor. it all depends on the game but I can down sample 3200x1800 on even my 24 inch and jaggies are still quite apparent in the same games I noticed them in at 1920x1080. yes it helps quite a bit having higher res but we will always need AA.

Wait, are you saying that based on a downsampling experience????????????

I think you should really try a 1440p or 1600p monitor to notice that AA doesn't have a huge impact on quality. (Don't get me wrong. It has an impact, just not very big, especially with all the performance loss)

On 4k monitors, I basically see no difference between OFF and 8x.

This is all based on true experience using native resolutions.

 

[toyota]

Wait, are you saying that based on a downsampling experience????????????

I think you should really try a 1440p or 1600p monitor to notice that AA doesn't have a huge impact on quality. (Don't get me wrong. It has an impact, just not very big, especially with all the performance loss)

On 4k monitors, I basically see no difference between OFF and 8x.

This is all based on true experience using native resolutions.

some games still need AA on 4k too and that has been pointed out in 4k monitor reviews. we will always need AA for the foreseeable future.

 

[Z15CAM]

If you intend to go 2560x1440p, I recommend the $300 Korean QNIX 2510 Evolution II PLS Display, You will need at least a single R9 290 particularly if you want to go by 60Hz. The 780Ti just doesn't cut it for game play but a GTX 280 VGA will render fantastic Blue Ray and 4K Video at this Res .

 

[24601]

Resolution has nothing to do with necessity of AA.

PPI and Distance between eyes and screen are the only determinators.

 

[Z15CAM]

Argument among Gamers is whether you even need AA at 1440p and greater.

Believe me as far a Displays go once you run a 2560x1440 PLS Display you don't want to go back even it's an intermediate step to 4K ;o)

PS: you will require at least an i5 2500 CPU to effectively game at 2560x1440p.

 

[IEC]

Resolution has nothing to do with necessity of AA.

PPI and Distance between eyes and screen are the only determinators.

Resolution and screen size are used to calculate PPI. So resolution matters, but screen size does too. Then as you mention, the distance from the screen matters as well to determine "effective" PPI.

 

[toyota]

Argument among Gamers is whether you even need AA at 1440p and greater.

Believe me as far a Displays go once you run a 2560x1440 PLS Display you don't want to go back even it's an intermediate step to 4K ;o)

PS: you will require at least an i5 2500 CPU to effectively game at 2560x1440p.

that makes no sense. higher res will increase your gpu requirements not cpu.

 

[Shamrock]

If you intend to go 2560x1440p, I recommend the $300 Korean QNIX 2510 Evolution II PLS Display, You will need at least a single R9 290 particularly if you want to go by 60Hz. The 780Ti just doesn't cut it for game play but a GTX 280 VGA will render fantastic Blue Ray and 4K Video at this Res .

Argument among Gamers is whether you even need AA at 1440p and greater.

Believe me as far a Displays go once you run a 2560x1440 PLS Display you don't want to go back even it's an intermediate step to 4K ;o)

PS: you will require at least an i5 2500 CPU to effectively game at 2560x1440p.

What? So...you mean all this time, I am imagining gaming on my QNIX 2510, on a Phenom II 955BE, and a Sapphire 7850 HD OC? AND I use 4xAA, 8xAF. The monitor is also overclocked to 96Hz.

 

[Pottuvoi]

Resolution and screen size are used to calculate PPI. So resolution matters, but screen size does too. Then as you mention, the distance from the screen matters as well to determine "effective" PPI.

So we should use term angular resolution.

And yes, AA is needed even for a quite high angular resolution, even at near maximum of what human eye can see. (IE. rendering hair without proper AA is horrible, same goes for a highly specular materials.)

 

[Shamrock]

^^ to extend on that, I race a lot of racing sims, and track edges, and fences are terrible without AA.

 

[Freddy1765]

I bought a U2713HM a couple of weeks ago, and I'm very pleased with it. Colours are so much better than my old TN monitor and the fps-hit was less than I'd have expected. I can run BF4 on high without MSAA and ambient occlusion and pretty much get constant 60.
It seems as though text is a bit more difficult to read in games when you're moving, as it flickers back and forth, my TN panel wasn't as bad in this respect.
ALl in all, I'd say it's a worthwhile upgrade. Even with 4K being gradually more mainstream, I sincerely doubt more than 10% of gamers will be using it in two years or so, and the GPU cost associated with it will probably continue to be prohibitive.
If you want a monitor upgrade, 1440p is definitely the best way to proceed.

 

[Mondozei]

Resolution has nothing to do with necessity of AA.

PPI and Distance between eyes and screen are the only determinators.

Protip: resolution is a key factor in determining PPI. This is why people are more confused than they need to be, because people are writing ignorant things.

 

[Mondozei]

some games still need AA on 4k too and that has been pointed out in 4k monitor reviews. we will always need AA for the foreseeable future.

Yes, but that is because the adoption rate of 4K monitors is going to be slow, in part because a midrange GPU will not handle 4K on 60 fps for at least 3 years. You need 2 x 290X today or one 295X2. So nothing to do with 4K in of itself and more an issue of most gamers on lower res for at least this decade out. Most people won't buy a new monitor except for every 5 years or so and on a sub-300 dollar budget. Ditto graphics card but on a three year cadence.

AA on 4K shouldn't be an issue and won't be one in the future. The reason why there are still jagged edges is because of poor coding, 4K was not on game devs radar 2-3 years back when most games now used in benchmarks were being developed. For newer games, their scaling will work a lot better.

 

[KaRLiToS]

Protip: resolution is a key factor in determining PPI. This is why people are more confused than they need to be, because people are writing ignorant things.

Do you know any monitor that has a resolution of 2560x1440 bigger than 27 inches?

Off course a 4k monitor as big as 115" would need more AA because of less PPI. But I don't see many gamers getting a 4k monitor for PC bigger than 39".

 

[tulx]

If you intend to go 2560x1440p, I recommend the $300 Korean QNIX 2510 Evolution II PLS Display, You will need at least a single R9 290 particularly if you want to go by 60Hz. The 780Ti just doesn't cut it for game play but a GTX 280 VGA will render fantastic Blue Ray and 4K Video at this Res .

Just bought a Qnix 1440p monitor to run it with a 290x and it works great. BF4 runs smoothly on ultra with 90° FOV.

 

[angevil]

I game on a 1440p monitor and jaggies are very visible without AA. It is better than 1080p, but still bothers me. Believe it or not, i notice image quality difference between x8 aa and x4 aa at normal viewing distance.

I think we need something like 7680x4320 monitors for AA to finally stop being needed.
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[blastingcap]

I game on a 1440p monitor and jaggies are very visible without AA. It is better than 1080p, but still bothers me. Believe it or not, i notice image quality difference between x8 aa and x4 aa at normal viewing distance.

I think we need something like 7680x4320 monitors for AA to finally stop being needed.
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Apple's Retina display reportedly makes it impossible to see jaggies at normal view distances. The equivalent for desktop monitors would be something like a 34.8-inch 4K screen or smaller: http://blog.alex4d.com/2013/07/29/apple-desktop-retina-displays/

Standard 27" 2560x1440 isn't quite at that level.

 

[Z15CAM]

Just bought a Qnix 1440p monitor to run it with a 290x and it works great. BF4 runs smoothly on ultra with 90° FOV.

I've experiment playing BF4 on the QNIX 2510 Evolution II at 96Hz with X-Fire R9 290X under water - All I can say is WOW!

My platform was crippled with a NFG GPU Water Block and expecting RMA in a week or 2 to get her back up to snuff.

For Gaming, I can see 3 de-bezelled QNIX 96Hz 2510's, on my own frame, with a 4320x2560 res in the future - Eat your heart out 4K for a Homemade $900 40" x 24" 96/120Hz PLS Korean display ;o)

 

[zCypher]

I have the 27" dell and it's awesome, i love it. no issues whatsoever with games. i am looking at 28-30" options now though, two fit two of them nicely under the 60" TV coming soon