$25 hamburger nope....

[Jaskalas]

Conservatives have no solutions. Their only idea is to keep a permanent working class living in poverty and pretend that automation and technological advances will cease to happen. Both of those ideas are wackadoo.

The "no solutions" is something that really bothered me after 2008. I kept waiting for them to explain their position, their solutions. They never have. And that is primarily why they lost me. I wised up to the lies and moved on to greener pastures.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Back to the article. Fast food CEOs are Stating data says gradual minimum wage increase is good for door hits/traffic, better for total sales and increased sales volume.
This isn’t an automation thing. Sales have increased and net sales have increased likely due to all having more money to spend.

 

[Jaskalas]

Back to the article. Fast food CEOs are Stating data says gradual minimum wage increase is good for door hits/traffic, better for total sales and increased sales volume.
This isn’t an automation thing. Sales have increased and net sales have increased likely due to all having more money to spend.

Feeding the consumer helps feed business.

Despite what propaganda would argue, our businesses NEED our people to have basic needs met. Otherwise our people are too poor to do business. That basic need comes in the form of liquidity. Having a certain amount of income. To be able to purchase things like hamburgers. Everyone wins if the wheels of the economy are greased.

 

[dank69]

Feeding the consumer helps feed business.

Despite what propaganda would argue, our businesses NEED our people to have basic needs met. Otherwise our people are too poor to do business. That basic need comes in the form of liquidity. Having a certain amount of income. To be able to purchase things like hamburgers. Everyone wins if the wheels of the economy are greased.

It's called demand-side economics and Democrats have been chided for supporting it for 40 years.

 

[desy]

Its also the multiplier of money, people spend and those people then spend etc. The rich hoard so if you want money to work in an economy the more at the base the more it changes hands, further fueling the economy.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Its also the multiplier of money, people spend and those people then spend etc. The rich hoard so if you want money to work in an economy the more at the base the more it changes hands, further fueling the economy.

Which is precisely why there's such an issue with the dragons sitting on hoards. There isn't enough to go around for the peasantry, and the entire system suffers. Time to raid some dragons.

 

[Vic]

Got it, no arguing with my main point of 90% headcount reduction and you still can't say what will magically happen to those people.

Your "main point" has no argument of fact. Can you provide an example when, in all of history, that technological advancement had ever led to long-term reduction in employment?
You're just spreading BS FUD. Automation will increase employment, not reduce it. And as proof of this, I provide readily-observable history, and not your feels.

 

[Maxima1]

No, you still don't get it. I feel like the hamster in your head needs to work harder at its treadmill to power that dim light.

Look at my post #17 to discover what "will magically happen to those people." If you do not know what "UBI" is, and did not follow the candidacy of Andrew Yang, then Google it.

This is becoming a tedious exercise.

When will UBI happen? Or at least lowering hours? One of Yang's points was that labor participation is already low.

 

[Vic]

UBI motherfucker. Do you speak it?

We're not going to need UBI for all the new jobs that are going to be created through automation.
Automation, like all technologies, is a tool. And tools make workers more efficient, more productive, and their jobs easier, not harder. And that increased production means higher incomes and greater consumption, which means more jobs, not less.

 

[Vic]

Back to the article. Fast food CEOs are Stating data says gradual minimum wage increase is good for door hits/traffic, better for total sales and increased sales volume.
This isn’t an automation thing. Sales have increased and net sales have increased likely due to all having more money to spend.

Yes, they want to be able to pay their workers enough so that their workers can afford to buy their products. And they want to be able to do so without being undercut by bad acting competitors. All of which is good capitalism.

 

[dank69]

We're not going to need UBI for all the new jobs that are going to be created through automation.
Automation, like all technologies, is a tool. And tools make workers more efficient, more productive, and their jobs easier, not harder. And that increased production means higher incomes and greater consumption, which means more jobs, not less.

Maybe. Maybe not. We will see. There will always be jobs, but enough jobs? I'm not so sure.

 

[ivwshane]

When will UBI happen? Or at least lowering hours? One of Yang's points was that labor participation is already low.

Never, unless the average American can see the benefit of those policies. Do you see the benefits of UBI and less hours worked?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

We're not going to need UBI for all the new jobs that are going to be created through automation.
Automation, like all technologies, is a tool. And tools make workers more efficient, more productive, and their jobs easier, not harder. And that increased production means higher incomes and greater consumption, which means more jobs, not less.

automation covers the BASICS. The lowest rung. It won't update your software coders or DBA or sysadmins - at least anytime soon.

It will however, flip burgers which is a basic human action that is learned in early grade-school.

Again - what will happen to burger flippers? Will they Learn 2 code? What about 45 year old single moms that work in fast food? Will they just magically learn how to diagnose, repair, and assist with robots and go around to the nearest restaurants repairing them? Because thats basically what you're insinuating is that automation jobs will be replaced with jobs that those workers can just fill.



Which is comically laughable - by the way lol.

 

[Vic]

automation covers the BASICS. The lowest rung. It won't update your software coders or DBA or sysadmins - at least anytime soon.

It will however, flip burgers which is a basic human action that is learned in early grade-school.

Again - what will happen to burger flippers? Will they Learn 2 code? What about 45 year old single moms that work in fast food? Will they just magically learn how to diagnose, repair, and assist with robots and go around to the nearest restaurants repairing them? Because thats basically what you're insinuating is that automation jobs will be replaced with jobs that those workers can just fill.



Which is comically laughable - by the way lol.

What happened to the guys who used to spin the wingnuts on top of the air filters of old carbureted cars? What happened to the construction workers who dug ditches by hand?
Your questions are like a child's. Especially when you consider that most fast food restaurants automated 'burger flipping' with broiler machines like 30 years ago.

 

[Maxima1]

Never, unless the average American can see the benefit of those policies. Do you see the benefits of UBI and less hours worked?

Yeah.

We're not going to need UBI for all the new jobs that are going to be created through automation.
Automation, like all technologies, is a tool. And tools make workers more efficient, more productive, and their jobs easier, not harder. And that increased production means higher incomes and greater consumption, which means more jobs, not less.

Uh oh.

 

[Vic]

Yeah.



Uh oh.

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Sounds like we need to invest in better education then.
Because -- and this is the most important part -- nothing is going to stop the advancement of technology. Literally nothing. The amount of the minimum wage has shit-all-nothing to do with the advancement of automation. That's going to happen even if the minimum wage were reduced to $0. The only reason you concern trolls even bring up this red herring FUD is because you don't want low-skilled workers to be paid a decent wage.

 

[Murloc]

automation covers the BASICS. The lowest rung. It won't update your software coders or DBA or sysadmins - at least anytime soon.

It will however, flip burgers which is a basic human action that is learned in early grade-school.

Again - what will happen to burger flippers? Will they Learn 2 code? What about 45 year old single moms that work in fast food? Will they just magically learn how to diagnose, repair, and assist with robots and go around to the nearest restaurants repairing them? Because thats basically what you're insinuating is that automation jobs will be replaced with jobs that those workers can just fill.



Which is comically laughable - by the way lol.

With every innovation a bunch of jobs were elimianted, and yet new menial jobs came up every time. Maybe you can't see it now, but they will exist.

Just think of tourism, hiking, mountain sports. It was all invented about 200 years ago, pushed mostly by rich brits who wanted to get away from the coal fumes of their factory. Now everyone and their mom does it, and entire job sectors, entire rural countries that earlier were just goat herders and desperate emigrants depend on it. And a big variety of jobs, mostly people-facing and not so easy to replace, are available in the sector.

I mean, the tertiary sector wasn't as important earlier on. Most menial jobs exist there now, instead of farming or factory work, where increased automation requires more qualified people and less pure help hands.

Besides, low minimum wages do nothing to counter that trend, since it's happening everywhere.

Btw in Switzerland there have been only ordering/paying machines at mcdonalds for many years now, but the 20$/hour burger flippers are still there. The big mac is 7$, not 15$.

 

[purbeast0]

You continue to not answer my question

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[Scarpozzi]

You're right - and service has been top-notch



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Study finds enough fecal matter on McDonald's touchscreens to put people in the hospital

Researchers tested touchscreens at eight different McDonald's locations and found fecal bacteria on every one of them, according to findings published in Metro. The British paper tested six locations in London, and two in Birmingham and found enough bacterial matter to put people in the...

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[Mai72]

My mom had a small cafe and she paid her workers $15- 17 an hour back in the early 2000s- 2011.She knew that good pay equals good help.

 

[Mai72]

Study finds enough fecal matter on McDonald's touchscreens to put people in the hospital

Researchers tested touchscreens at eight different McDonald's locations and found fecal bacteria on every one of them, according to findings published in Metro. The British paper tested six locations in London, and two in Birmingham and found enough bacterial matter to put people in the...

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And how many food prepares adequately wash their hands when using the bathroom. How many wash their hands at all?

This is the facts, and we dont have any control over what happens.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

And how many food prepares adequately wash their hands when using the bathroom. How many wash their hands at all?

This is the facts, and we dont have any control over what happens.

They wear gloves.
I do not use touch screens for ordering food for the mentioned reason. I have never seen one being cleaned. While I am sure they do get cleaned the question is how many shit cover fingers have touched them between cleanings.

I’ll use touch screens other places but a food place is a no for me.

 

[Mai72]

They wear gloves.
I do not use touch screens for ordering food for the mentioned reason. I have never seen one being cleaned. While I am sure they do get cleaned the question is how many shit cover fingers have touched them between cleanings.

I’ll use touch screens other places but a food place is a no for me.

Why not put on a glove when ordering your food? Or, you could always wash your hands after.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

They wear gloves.
I do not use touch screens for ordering food for the mentioned reason. I have never seen one being cleaned. While I am sure they do get cleaned the question is how many shit cover fingers have touched them between cleanings.

I’ll use touch screens other places but a food place is a no for me.

Why do you think people in fast-food restaurants are more probable to have shit on their fingers than... say... a grocery store? Or a gas station when you press what fuel type you want - or the touch screen/keypad of any payment device?

(Hint: There is shit-particles everywhere - studies have shown the cleanest places to put your fingers is actually in the bathrooms because they are much more likely to be cleaned more thoroughly)

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Why do you think people in fast-food restaurants are more probable to have shit on their fingers than... say... a grocery store? Or a gas station when you press what fuel type you want - or the touch screen/keypad of any payment device?

(Hint: There is shit-particles everywhere - studies have shown the cleanest places to put your fingers is actually in the bathrooms because they are much more likely to be cleaned more thoroughly)

Just a mental thing. Sitting to eat right after touching a shit stained screen is unthinkable to me.
Checking out at Home Depot then sanitizing or whatever isn’t so unthinkable