$25 hamburger nope....

[fskimospy]

lol you're an idiot.

Increased productivity from automation is great... for the upper middle class that has desirable skills and can still be employed.

For the bottom tier? They're royally fucked.

No, automation is great for everyone. It is literally the only reason why humanity escaped the day to day struggle for survival and it's the only reason why the world you currently enjoy exists in the way it does.

Anyone arguing against automation is stupid, so it's entirely unsurprising that you are, haha.

We have a huge over-abundance of unskilled labor in this country - with plenty of you idiots calling for there to be MORE unskilled labor. What do you think that does to wages?

We have already discussed your incompetence when it comes to economics. The literature of the effect of immigration on wages is extremely mixed, with quite a bit of it showing exactly zero effect on wages.

Seriously, do you struggle with reading comprehension or retaining memories? I'm struggling to understand how you can keep making the same dumb arguments after being educated on the topic repeatedly.

What do you think happens to these people? That they all just magically become skillful - especially a 45 year old single mother types that work in fast food and retail?

Why didn't you even read the post you're replying to?

Also, any chance we can get a response from you to this thread? You have to admit the degree to which you shit your pants there is pretty funny.

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[woolfe9998]

lol you're an idiot.

Increased productivity from automation is great... for the upper middle class that has desirable skills and can still be employed to take advantage of that automation.

For the bottom tier? They're royally fucked.

We have a huge over-abundance of unskilled labor in this country - with plenty of you idiots calling for there to be MORE unskilled labor. What do you think that does to wages?

What do you think happens to these people? That they all just magically become skillful - especially a 45 year old single mother types that work in fast food and retail?


All of the nordic countries that you imbeciles love to idolize... guess what they have? NO minimum wage law lol.

You might try reading posts #14 and 24 to see that he has covered your objection, whether you agree with him or not. If you do not comprehend what he means by the "shitty social system" being to blame, then your poor education it isn't our fault.

 

[brycejones]

That argument/promise was made in the fifties and sixties and never materialized. In fact, workers ended up working more and taking less vacations with an ever decreasing pay.

In theory, as automation and productivity increases, we should have workers working less and making more, but that’s not reality.

The only way that happens is if the government mandates things like required vacation time, shorter work weeks, and lower full time/part time hours, along with minimum wages and CEO pay tied to worker pay. All of which will never happen because Americans have a fucked up view of their worth (they don’t value themselves more than the companies they work for), all thanks to decades of Republican economic propaganda.

Actually it did work in the 50's and 60's. The big switch happened with Regan's tax "reforms" in the early 80's. That's when you see the divergence in wage growth from productivity improvements. At that point the increased earnings from productivity growth starts to go pretty exclusively to the investor class and real wage growth is effectively stagnant.

 

[ivwshane]

Right, so it's our shitty social system to blame, not automation. We should automate EVERYTHING. After all, the end goal of technology is 100% unemployment.

It's weird to me that people don't seem to realize that literally the only reason humans are not still subsistence farmers is because we've automated work.

Yeah, it is our shitty social system. So exactly what will be changing that?

 

[quikah]

The In-n-Out by me has a sign advertising $17 starting pay (SF Bay Area). There are ~10 people working there whenever I go. Always a long line. The prices are high for In-n-out, a Double Double is $4.95. Still cheap as hell.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah, it is our shitty social system. So exactly what will be changing that?

Uhm... us?

Regardless, if improving technology to decrease the necessity of human labor is causing social problems the appropriate solution is not to abandon technology, it's to improve our system.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

You might try reading posts #14 and 24 to see that he has covered your objection, whether you agree with him or not. If you do not comprehend what he means by the "shitty social system" being to blame, then your poor education it isn't our fault.

Wut? re-read the posts - they haven't covered my objections in the slightest lol.

You can say "automation is great for humanity" - that doesn't mean that the lower-rung of society has the means (skills or capital) to take advantage of those things.

Regardless of whatever society you want to live in - you have to have a means of skills and be compensated to live a decent life.



When you flood the market with unskilled labor, what happens? Wages become stagnant - which is overall what it has been the last 20 years as we continue to import more people without being able to speak the most common language, and a shit education system that continues to pump out more internally as well.

When you flood the market with automation that takes over unskilled jobs, what do you think happens to the people who worked those jobs?

 

[ivwshane]

Actually it did work in the 50's and 60's. The big switch happened with Regan's tax "reforms" in the early 80's. That's when you see the divergence in wage growth from productivity improvements. At that point the increased earnings from productivity growth starts to go pretty exclusively to the investor class and real wage growth is effectively stagnant.

For wages yes, for hours worked, not so much.

 

[Vic]

250+ years after the start of the Industrial Revolution and the Luddites are still doomsaying nonsense that the machines are gonna take our jobs. Smh

 

[ivwshane]

Uhm... us?

Regardless, if improving technology to decrease the necessity of human labor is causing social problems the appropriate solution is not to abandon technology, it's to improve our system.

I agree but I also don’t see “us” doing anything to make that change happen.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

No, automation is great for everyone. It is literally the only reason why humanity escaped the day to day struggle for survival and it's the only reason why the world you currently enjoy exists in the way it does.

Anyone arguing against automation is stupid

You're obviously incredibly slow - so precisely what I expect. Where did I say that automation isn't good for society?

I simply said it will fuck over the lower-class. The middle and upper class that have the skills and capital - absolutely will benefit.

Let's say in the next 20 years we roll out automated self-checkouts at every fast food chain - along with automated cooking to the point where we simply have 1-person working a counter at a fast food chain. What do you *THINK* happens to the 90% that are now unemployed since their basic human skills of flipping burgers is now gone?

You continue to not answer my question: What happens to the unskilled labor dr. moron?

 

[desy]

I love the McD order boards. No standing behind some guy deciding at the til what he wants, uhm you been here for 10 minutes think you coulda decided b4 you got to the front of the line?
No communication issues, no I said 10 not 6 nuggets. .

 

[fskimospy]

You're obviously incredibly slow - so precisely what I expect. Where did I say that automation isn't good for society?

I simply said it will fuck over the lower-class. The middle and upper class that have the skills and capital - absolutely will benefit.

Is the average lower class human better off or worse off today than in 1750? If your answer is 'better', then automation obviously doesn't fuck over the lower class. If your answer is 'worse', you are stupid.

Let's say in the next 20 years we roll out automated self-checkouts at every fast food chain - along with automated cooking to the point where we simply have 1-person working a counter at a fast food chain. What do you *THINK* happens to the 90% that are now unemployed since their basic human skills of flipping burgers is now gone?

If you read posts #14 and #24 as woolfe suggested you would see that I've covered this objection already.

Any chance on getting your reply to this thread? You made the thread so presumably you care about the topic.

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[Vic]

Wut? re-read the posts - they haven't covered my objections in the slightest lol.

You can say "automation is great for humanity" - that doesn't mean that the lower-rung of society has the means (skills or capital) to take advantage of those things.

Regardless of whatever society you want to live in - you have to have a means of skills and be compensated to live a decent life.



When you flood the market with unskilled labor, what happens? Wages become stagnant - which is overall what it has been the last 20 years as we continue to import more people without being able to speak the most common language, and a shit education system that continues to pump out more internally as well.

When you flood the market with automation that takes over unskilled jobs, what do you think happens to the people who worked those jobs?

Imagine someone 100 years ago arguing that machines like the bulldozer and the steam shovel are gonna put all the construction guys with their little shovels out of work forever. And now try to understand that that someone is you.

But hey, thanks for showing your true condescending prick side by implying that "unskilled labor" can never better themselves and that we need to hold back technological progress just to protect "unskilled labor." You are worse than any "liberal elite."

 

[Pohemi]

I simply said it will fuck over the lower-class. The middle and upper class that have the skills and capital - absolutely will benefit.

You continue to not answer my question: What happens to the unskilled labor dr. moron?

You're the master of dodging questions and never answering, you disappear like a fucking ninja, ya dumb c*nt.

You obviously are ignoring the comments/discussion in THIS thread about UBI, because you obviously wouldn't support such a "silly idea". Amirite? Will you even answer? Doubtful.

 

[woolfe9998]

Wut? re-read the posts - they haven't covered my objections in the slightest lol.

You can say "automation is great for humanity" - that doesn't mean that the lower-rung of society has the means (skills or capital) to take advantage of those things.

Regardless of whatever society you want to live in - you have to have a means of skills and be compensated to live a decent life.



When you flood the market with unskilled labor, what happens? Wages become stagnant - which is overall what it has been the last 20 years as we continue to import more people without being able to speak the most common language, and a shit education system that continues to pump out more internally as well.

When you flood the market with automation that takes over unskilled jobs, what do you think happens to the people who worked those jobs?

Once again, do you know what he meant when he said the problem was the "shitty social system?" You still don't seem to get it. But I feel confident that some day a dim light will activate in that tiny cranium of yours.

 

[Vic]

Is the average lower class human better off or worse off today than in 1750? If your answer is 'better', then automation obviously doesn't fuck over the lower class. If your answer is 'worse', you are stupid.

Right? Technology and automation has been the best thing that has ever happened to the lower classes. History has proven this.
That poster is either a Luddite idiot or their concern for the lower class is not in good faith, and his real agenda is to argue against the lower class getting a better wage.

 

[fskimospy]

Imagine someone 100 years ago arguing that machines like the bulldozer and the steam shovel are gonna put all the construction guys with their little shovels out of work forever. And now try to understand that that someone is you.

But hey, thanks for showing your true condescending prick side by implying that "unskilled labor" can never better themselves and that we need to hold back technological progress just to protect "unskilled labor." You are worse than any "liberal elite."

It's kind of amazing how many people fundamentally argue 'we should keep doing things in a shitty way because if we did them better people wouldn't have work to do'.

Ironically, this is the (correct) argument often leveled at public sector jobs.

 

[MrSquished]

Imagine someone 100 years ago arguing that machines like the bulldozer and the steam shovel are gonna put all the construction guys with their little shovels out of work forever. And now try to understand that that someone is you.

But hey, thanks for showing your true condescending prick side by implying that "unskilled labor" can never better themselves and that we need to hold back technological progress just to protect "unskilled labor." You are worse than any "liberal elite."

I wonder if the same folks arguing that investing in electric vehicles is terrible because it will cut into ICE sales were the same folks saying that the first Ford cars were terrible because they would cut into horse & buggy sales?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Once again, do you know what he meant when he said the problem was the "shitty social system?" You still don't seem to get it. But I feel confident that some day a dim light will activate in that tiny cranium of yours.

Imagine someone 100 years ago arguing that machines like the bulldozer and the steam shovel are gonna put all the construction guys with their little shovels out of work forever. And now try to understand that that someone is you.

But hey, thanks for showing your true condescending prick side by implying that "unskilled labor" can never better themselves and that we need to hold back technological progress just to protect "unskilled labor." You are worse than any "liberal elite."

Got it, no arguing with my main point of 90% headcount reduction and you still can't say what will magically happen to those people.

 

[dank69]

Got it, no arguing with my main point of 90% headcount reduction and you still can't say what will magically happen to those people.

UBI motherfucker. Do you speak it?

 

[woolfe9998]

Got it, no arguing with my main point of 90% headcount reduction and you still can't say what will magically happen to those people.

No, you still don't get it. I feel like the hamster in your head needs to work harder at its treadmill to power that dim light.

Look at my post #17 to discover what "will magically happen to those people." If you do not know what "UBI" is, and did not follow the candidacy of Andrew Yang, then Google it.

This is becoming a tedious exercise.

 

[MrSquished]

Conservatives have no solutions. Their only idea is to keep a permanent working class living in poverty and pretend that automation and technological advances will cease to happen. Both of those ideas are wackadoo.

 

[Pohemi]

You guys can't see he's intentionally ignoring any and ALL commentary about UBI? He's a fucking idiot and disingenuous as hell.

 

[Jaskalas]

People complaining about decent wages for fast food, grocery stores, uber drivers, etc. really just have no respect for their fellow citizens.

It is a fear borne of ignorance. They have no clue how economics works, and were told by propagandists how the 1% NEED those wages to stay down, or the world will collapse!