24% of Americans believe Secession should be legal.

[Anarchist420]

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/poll-24-percent-americans-believe-states-have-right-secede

While I was disappointed that it's not an absolute majority, it's still quite a bit higher than it was just two years ago.

Rombama would turn into an Assad/Colonel Ghadafi in a heartbeat if any State tried to secede though.

I personally think that it would be better if people knew that Hitler made the same argument that Lincoln did in favor of union. That would boost the number of people who favored the right to secede, wouldn't it?

If America is to be restored, then States need to start seceding.

 

[chucky2]

Secede where?

 

[thraashman]

There's no reason to secede. The same people who claim a desire to secede are the ones yelling "God Bless America" at the top of their lungs. Secession is just a large group of people having the same attitude as a spoiled child with the "I'll hold my breath until!" line.

Secession didn't work out so well last time.

 

[Jaskalas]

Just keep the federal government gridlocked, unable to act. Failure there will lead to states stepping up to the task of solving their own problems. Then they'll each have unique solutions and when the Feds finally get their act together to impose "comprehensive solutions' we can tell them to f' off.

No group needs to impose on another. One size solutions DO NOT fit all.

 

[Jaskalas]

Secession didn't work out so well last time.

Stopping it won't work out so well this time.

 

[nehalem256]

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/poll-24-percent-americans-believe-states-have-right-secede

While I was disappointed that it's not an absolute majority, it's still quite a bit higher than it was just two years ago.

Rombama would turn into an Assad/Colonel Ghadafi in a heartbeat if any State tried to secede though.

I personally think that it would be better if people knew that Hitler made the same argument that Lincoln did in favor of union. That would boost the number of people who favored the right to secede, wouldn't it?

If America is to be restored, then States need to start seceding.

It seems like it would be legally complicated to secede, but I think that states should have that right.

What is the difference between Lincoln and Assad/Ghadafi. Other than that Lincoln won.

 

[chucky2]

The point Anarchist420 is that a state like say, Texas, what would it do once gone from the Union? All benefits of government the Fed provides would be gone. The world as we know it is not like it was in Civil War days, just saying Bye doesn't cut it anymore (not that it was that simple then, but it'd be far harder now).

As much as I'd like to see Fed be radically scaled back, and even dreamily wondering just how much better IL would be jettisoning off Chicago and Crook Co., it's not going to happen. Things are no where remotely close to bad enough for that to happen, and almost no Politicians/Leadership now a days have the stones to carry through with such a task.

My advice is to just not worry about it. In 100-200 years or so, we'll have Mexican rule and be so F'd as far as population density and resources scarcity goes, the problems we have today will seem truly inconsequential...

Chuck

 

[Theb]

Hitler and Lincoln? That'd be adorable if it wasn't so fucking stupid.

 

[Theb]

Stopping it won't work out so well this time.

Well go secede then tough guy.

"Give me a lack of insurance, or give me death!"

 

[CrackRabbit]

What is the difference between Lincoln and Assad/Ghadafi. Other than that Lincoln won.

I can't believe you actually posted that.
What is more shocking is that you actually believe it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I don't think there is a clause binding states to the Union perpetually in the Constitution, but the latter has more guns. Real politik

 

[CanOWorms]

I suspect this is due to the growing white separatism movements.

 

[alkemyst]

my money is all 24% are in the state of Texas.

 

[Incorruptible]

You cant blame these people since the government is so huge and wastes too much money

 

[Atreus21]

A rebellion is always legal when it's our rebellion. It's only in the third person that it is illegal.

 

[piasabird]

I thought we were done arguing this after the civil war!

 

[Anarchist420]

I don't think there is a clause binding states to the Union perpetually in the Constitution, but the latter has more guns. Real politik

The word "perpetual" isn't in the U.S. Federal Constitution but it was in the u.S. Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union.

The supremacy clause is an issue, as is the necessary and proper clause, but the statists will eventually lose.

 

[fskimospy]

The word "perpetual" isn't in the U.S. Federal Constitution but it was in the u.S. Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union.

The supremacy clause is an issue, as is the necessary and proper clause, but the statists will eventually lose.

You have a time frame for this 'eventual' loss?

 

[Ns1]

wow, hitler reference from post 1. usually it takes a few pages...

 

[Anarchist420]

You have a time frame for this 'eventual' loss?

Nope.

 

[Steeplerot]

You cant blame these people since the government is so huge and wastes too much money

Adjusted for population the federal government is actually smaller then since the 60s outside of defense spending. We pay less taxes also, you all are so lost in the lala land of corporate PR doublespeak its pathetic.

When will you all think for yourselves? Oh well, carry on acting a fool.

 

[piasabird]

Do Americans really know what they want?

Everyone voted for the Iraq war because they thought they wanted that, but they changed their mind later.

This is why in marketing, you watch what people purchase not what they say they like.

 

[Steeplerot]

Secede where?

His parents basement?

 

[piasabird]

But if we seccede we will not get a federal tax return . . .

 

[Steeplerot]

Do Americans really know what they want?

Everyone voted for the Iraq war because they thought they wanted that, but they changed their mind later.

This is why in marketing, you watch what people purchase not what they say they like.

In general people were against the war and in the streets worldwide by the millions, it's the fraction of Americans who still used the USA corporate mass media as a information source that got lied to and bought into its own PR to justify the war.