.223 Ammo & Walmart $39.95 (everyday price)

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Billyzeke
I think he was saying the non-chrome lined barrel might require more care than a higher priced chrome lined one.

well, a little. only if you are shooting bad ammo through it though. for 95%+ of the shooters out there, a non-chrome lined barrel is more than adequate. if you clean your firearm after you shoot, no problem which is what i feel one should do.

 

[Eric62]

Question for those who know. Wouldn't a Sig 556 be the most simple to maintain of all high end 5.56's? Similar to the AK in that cleaning is optional (blasphemy - but mostly true), but with the accuracy of an AR???

 

[Bozo Galora]

I personally would take a SIG over an AR direct gas impingement type
Its a shame they didnt make the molded plastic 550 folding stock with it, the AR telescope butt just doesnt look like it belongs IMHO

To take it even further I would buy an HK 416 at price no object if made in semi for the civilian market.
Heres a Dec 07 vid, it says future weapons, but thats just the discov channel name of the series
Its in their catalogue for LE and Mil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...yZEiY4&feature=related

 

[Genx87]

HK 416 looks sexy

 

[mooseracing]

Originally posted by: Staples
I never knew ammo cost so much. I have a friend who is a gun nut and is always poor even though he makes 80k a year. No wonder why.

The worse part is alot of people are forced to buy "new" ammo, insteading of reloading and saving a ton of money. 99% of shooting ranges require new, brass loads only. No reloads and no steel casings.

I know it hurts my wallet but I enjoy going to the range.


My 600rds of .45 is supposed to be here this week, I can't way to go play.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
I personally would take a SIG over an AR direct gas impingement type
Its a shame they didnt make the molded plastic 550 folding stock with it, the AR telescope butt just doesnt look like it belongs IMHO

To take it even further I would buy an HK 416 at price no object if made in semi for the civilian market.
Heres a Dec 07 vid, it says future weapons, but thats just the discov channel name of the series
Its in their catalogue for LE and Mil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...yZEiY4&feature=related

well, your dream may be coming true. hk is suppose to be puttingo out a civi "416", the mr556. only problem will be price, as with most hk items. and the kicker - although it looks like a regular ar lower, it will be changed just a bit so you can't just put a mr556 on a regular ar lower - nice way for hk to f*ck the market, but this is kind of business as usual for hk. hk is good at marketing, that is for sure. here is a snippet from their mr556 page:

Like the famous HK416, the MR556 uses a barrel produced by Heckler & Koch's famous cold hammer forging process. The highest quality steel is used in this unique manufacturing process producing a barrel that provides superior accuracy for more than 20,000 rounds with minimal degradation of accuracy and muzzle velocity.

funny thing is, a regular stainless rock river arms will do the same thing 😀

this is from a member on ar15 and his 18 months and 15k+ rounds w/ a rra ss barrel:

18 Months and 15,000 rounds later, I?ve leaned quiet a bit about an 11.5? SS barrel and how it will handle hard use. After over a year of weekly, if not daily hard use(including a classes with Hackathorn and Super Dave), numerous other shooting events, and adding a steady amount of sustained full auto, Its time to see what?s left of this barrel. A few weeks ago I spend some time testing the Geissele select fire trigger burning through over 1500rds of his ammo almost as fast as we could load and swap the 10 mags we brought; definitely the hardest day of its life. I shot it one more time at 50yds, and was easily still hitting golf balls, but made the decision to take it apart and see how it looks.

Think back 18 months to when the upper $tainless $teel barrels were the must have because of the ?extended life?, and ?increased? muzzle velocity, and whatever hype was being spouted at the time. I compared several different barrels ? and yes for some reason the SS barrels do produce more muzzle velocity than chrome lined barrels. Regardless of the rifling, or brand ? SS barrels of the same length, by different makers, will produce the same muzzle velocity as the others.

This is the first barrel I played with the idea of moving the gas port 1? forward-as it would be shot suppressed almost all the time. It began life as a Wilson, SS 1:8 16? CAR barrel I purchased from Rock River. My shop guys cut it down, threaded it, plugged the gas port and drilled a new hole 1? forward.

It was mostly shot semi auto, but did see a significant amount of full auto use ? most all just burning through mags for fun ? so it was sustained full auto. I always cleaned the barrel after every use with Hopped #9 ? wet patch dry patch. Every 5K rounds I?ll spend 30 minutes with copper remover, wet patch dry patch until the patches came out white. From day one it was an easy 1MOA shooter, - last time it was sandbagged and shot for ?groups? was around 12k rounds, and it shot great. It was shot out to 600yds once, 330yds a few times, and the extent of its consistent longer range work was smacking a 6? plate at 250yds. (To this day that plate is a piece of cake with ball ammo). The majority of the rounds impacted targets at 50yds and closer.

Overall the last 18 months have been boring. Clean or dirty ? and shooting suppressed makes EVERYTHING dirty. Semi or full auto, rounds fed and extracted like clock work from the Wylde chamber. The unpainted parts of the barrel are now gold/copper colored by the excessive heat. Last March when it was below freezing, M855 was clocked at 2718fps, 3 months later at 50 degrees 2752fps, and recently at 75degrees 2780 fps. I?ll lump those variances into temps and different lot numbers. According to a GI TE gauge ? it has worn so that 2? of the rod enter the rifling ? the gauge has another 1? before the reject line. I?m not sure what, if anything the reject line means, because the gauge was made for 20? chrome lined 1:12 M16 barrels? But there is measurable wear.

A big surprise came when I measured the land/throat erosion with my stony point gauge. I checked when new, and never remembered to check again until yesterday. After all that use, the OAL of the cartridge to seat into the lands increased by 50 thousandths. That?s almost nothing for that much use.

I?m not sure what I expected from this barrel. I understand how barrels last and SS barrels wear, leading to long range accuracy loss, but I had never known first hand of a hard use SS carbine barrel. There?s not much to say, the barrel has held up fine, and is still a good barrel for that application today. If SS barrels that cost twice much last as long, under the same circumstances, I?ll be amazed. So yes, a SS barrel is more than good enough for a fighting gun.

here is a link to the original thread where the info came from.

and fwiw, you can pick up 416 uppers - only problem is most of them are sbr (meaning barrel lengths of less than 16") and run ~$4k+. i am not sure where people get them, either they were test units or what, but they can be had if you want to put up the $$$. actually, you could probably raise the price now to $6K+, the last one i saw on a board was ~$4k but that was before this current extreme backorder of everything.

if you are dead set on a piston upper, there are many on the market, but a regular ar's gas system is not that bad. but you should clean your weapon regardless of how it is made or what it is after shooting, but that is just me.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: marvdmartian
Good sources to check for online ammo. Most only require a drivers license photocopy to verify you're over 18, and will ship UPS/Fedex ground.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/

Hope that helps! 🙂

Thanks for that aimsurplus link, 2,000+ rounds of Soviet 5.45x39mm for $326.15 is a hell of a deal, especially for the Russian made stuff.

God i miss the good old days. A year ago 2,000 rounds of 5.45x39 was $150
edit on topic,
I check my local walmarts every few days in hopes of scoring something. I used to be able to find .40SW any day, but now the only thing left is .25Auto.
The Dems have figured out the best way to get rid of guns is to make it too expensive to own. They are not doing anything that will ever pass, but people are freaking out left and right because they all think every Dem is an anti-gun person. So they go out and literally wait at Walmarts and other stores and buy cases of ammo the second they get in the door. This artifically increases the demand and raises the prices, mean while the rabid anti-dems can just keep lofting non sense ideas around and fuel the fire that is being stoked by the gun community.

 

[Eric62]

Thanks to those who answered my question - very cool.
I''d rather have a SIG 556 for $1500 (give or take) than a HK 416 for $4k +, but that's just me.
About 18 months ago I could have bought a 556 that was lightly demoed (roughly 200 rds) at the SHOT show for $1000. I thought that was too much for a used firearm. Been kicking myself in the ass for the last year...

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Eric62
Thanks to those who answered my question - very cool.
I''d rather have a SIG 556 for $1500 (give or take) than a HK 416 for $4k +, but that's just me.
About 18 months ago I could have bought a 556 that was lightly demoed (roughly 200 rds) at the SHOT show for $1000. I thought that was too much for a used firearm. Been kicking myself in the ass for the last year...

i will not drink the hk kool-aid either. for that price, i would get into nfa stuff 😉.

i personally like "frankenguns" - get exactly what i want and usually much cheaper, when the deals can be found, but i am never in a hurry to buy so i guess that is good

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: marvdmartian
Good sources to check for online ammo. Most only require a drivers license photocopy to verify you're over 18, and will ship UPS/Fedex ground.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/

Hope that helps! 🙂

Thanks for that aimsurplus link, 2,000+ rounds of Soviet 5.45x39mm for $326.15 is a hell of a deal, especially for the Russian made stuff.

God i miss the good old days. A year ago 2,000 rounds of 5.45x39 was $150
edit on topic,
I check my local walmarts every few days in hopes of scoring something. I used to be able to find .40SW any day, but now the only thing left is .25Auto.
The Dems have figured out the best way to get rid of guns is to make it too expensive to own. They are not doing anything that will ever pass, but people are freaking out left and right because they all think every Dem is an anti-gun person. So they go out and literally wait at Walmarts and other stores and buy cases of ammo the second they get in the door. This artifically increases the demand and raises the prices, mean while the rabid anti-dems can just keep lofting non sense ideas around and fuel the fire that is being stoked by the gun community.

hear that, about a week ago somebody posted on ar15.com about palmetto having ~120,000rnds of prvi m193 and this was @ $392/1K. it was gone ~3hrs :shocked:

luckily i am sitting good and have been for some time. wouldn't go into debt like many others have stocking up, especially at these prices. sadly some places i am seeing fed bb xm193 for $300/500, and people are buying it.

 

[marvdmartian]

You may also want to check out a Ruger Mini 14. IMHO, very accurate, easy to maintain, and if you spend a bit more and get the stainless steel version, no rust problems. That's what I'm using to shoot my .223 rounds through, and I can honestly say it's the favorite of all my rifles.

Plus, you can usually find them much cheaper than the AR's, even in the stainless steel versions, and there's plenty of different stocks out there to make most people happy. 🙂

 

[knightc2]

The Ruger Mini 14 is a nice rifle and is going for around $800 in my parts. Not near as accurate as an AR-15 however.

And ammo is pretty scarce for me as well. Wal=Mart was out of 9mm, .380, .45, .40 and a bunch of other stuff. I have had good luck at a local MC Sports store that has a decent supply. Fiocchi 50 packs for .223 is $19.95.

 

[JDub02]

My mother in law works for walmart .. gonna use her discount card the next time we visit and pick up a couple hundred rounds. My current stash is pretty low for .40 and 5.56. I'm sitting pretty decent on 7.62 for the SKS, though.

Thanks for the heads up. 10% off with the card ... $.36/round isn't too bad .. actually it's horrible, but given the circumstances, it's not too bad.

 

[lokiju]

I went yesterday to check again to see if they had an .38 specials and 9mm and still all cleaned out.

 

[Bozo Galora]

Good to see DHS is watching all you guys.

<Quote>
"Everyone interviewed by The Post-Star for this story agreed ammunition of all calibers has gotten tougher to find, as gun owners stock up. Prices skyrocketed in recent years as metal prices went up, which caused many gun owners to stock up in anticipation of rising ammunition prices.
There are also concerns that some larger calibers, or those used by military-type weapons, could be banned, restricted or taxed more heavily.

One northern Warren County resident found out recently the government is paying attention to such ammunition sales.

West said a customer of his recently stocked up on .223-caliber rounds, a caliber often used in assault-style weapons. The customer bought 1,000 rounds a few months ago through a mail order company.
Shortly after the purchase, he received a visit from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, whose interest was apparently piqued by a large-scale purchase of that caliber.

"His wife was home. He was at church," West said.
<Unquote>

http://www.poststar.com/articl...ews/local/14551013.txt

Looks like mail order raises a flag

 

[erwos]

A thousand rounds triggers a visit by DHS? That's kinda weird. It's a lot, but it's not like "overthrow the government" a lot.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Originally posted by: erwos
A thousand rounds triggers a visit by DHS? That's kinda weird. It's a lot, but it's not like "overthrow the government" a lot.

1000 rounds is nothing for someone who shoots a lot. The serious competitions shooters can go through a couple thousand rounds in a week and it's not uncommon for people to buy in bulk simply because the 'per round' cost is so much lower.

 

[Bozo Galora]

It was mail order
It was .223
I'm guessing green tip

This is definitely a possible threat to National Security.
If we are to spend taxpayer money in these perilous troubled times, best to use it for safeguarding the home front.

Soldiers ordered to give up info on all of their privately owned firearms.
Temporarily rescinded.
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=92395

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
It was mail order
It was .223
I'm guessing green tip

This is definitely a possible threat to National Security.
If we are to spend taxpayer money in these perilous troubled times, best to use it for safeguarding the home front.

Soldiers ordered to give up info on all of their privately owned firearms.
Temporarily rescinded.
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=92395

are you smoking crack?

mail order - big deal, most of the time you have to send them a copy of your driver's license
green tip - seriously? you really think that matters?
.223 - wow, how many hunting rifles are in .223?

all this is total hearsay and assumptions by "some guy at a gunstore", don't know how many stories i have heard in them that weren't true.

and like scarpozzi said, 1k rnds isn't anything. maybe if the guy orderd 10k rnds it may get a look but 1k is a guy doing a 2day carbine course.

ridiculous that you are happy the dhs is watching law abiding citizens buying a average quantity of ammo while not covering the borders.

 

[Bozo Galora]

um, er.........

s-a-r-c-a-s-m
comprendo?
(I guess not)

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
It was mail order
It was .223
I'm guessing green tip

This is definitely a possible threat to National Security.
If we are to spend taxpayer money in these perilous troubled times, best to use it for safeguarding the home front.

Soldiers ordered to give up info on all of their privately owned firearms.
Temporarily rescinded.
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=92395

WTF was up with soldiers having to "register" their private firearms??

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: Bozo Galora
um, er.........

s-a-r-c-a-s-m
comprendo?
(I guess not)

with the way some people think these days for all i knew you were being serious, as i have seen people post what you post and are very serious about it.

you do know, crazy and irrational is in, didn't you get the memo?

 

[iroc409]

Direct-impingement has worked fine for decades and will continue to work for decades, even if it is a bit dirty. Piston AR's have their issues and complications too, because it's adapting a system that was not meant for it.

I like the Sig, more since I've seen it in person that the original pictures that came out. I would take a SCAR, if they weren't so hard to get and so ridiculously expensive. Until then, my plain old AR will work just fine.