20yo Carjacker in St. Louis dies after being shot by victim

[BlitzPuppet]

That's why I carry the weed. 🙂

Seriously, nothing deescalates like sparking up a fatty with the antagonist.

Unless he'd rather have all of it for himself, and ends up robbing you/killing you and taking it from your body.

Pothead logic is soooo awesome man.

 

[Humpy]

Unless he'd rather have all of it for himself, and ends up robbing you/killing you and taking it from your body.

Pothead logic is soooo awesome man.

:|

 

[MrPickins]

Unless he'd rather have all of it for himself, and ends up robbing you/killing you and taking it from your body.

Pothead logic is soooo awesome man.

I bet you're fun at parties. 🙄

 

[Perknose]

I share your objection.

I haven't (yet) armed myself because it seems a majority of criminals aren't out to simply kill people. I want it to stay that way. I'm not interested in the complexity of life that comes with weapons and potentially killing to defend property and the legalities of it all. It's far simpler to defend against property crime by sending a check to my insurance agent.

Take the car, there's some weed and a couple $20's in the console if you want it, tank's full too. You go your way, I gotta go feed my cat.

Beautifully, sanely put! :thumbsup:

 

[Six]

I call BS on "people are having everything from economic problems to being damaged making them think crime is ok." I grew up in the hood. The vast majority are just normal people trying to get by. The worst crime they've committed is probably watching an illegal stream of WWF. Most of the crimes are committed by a few individuals over and over and over again, because of drugs or they choose to live the thug life. The system gives the criminals the benefit of the doubt, so they are never locked up long enough to make a difference. And so they keep cycling through the community wreaking havoc.

I have zero sympathy for those individuals living the thug life, especially the perpetrator who did carjacked the victim at gun point.

Anyhow murder charges are being sought for the accomplice, not the victim according to police.

 

[Paladin3]

Anybody here been carjacked? I have. I bought a brand new 2000 Ford Focus to commute to work in, and got carjacked 3 months later.

On the way home late one night, a guy sticks a knife in the window and tells me to get out. I grabbed his arm and wrestled with him through the open window, but couldn't get the knife away from him. I bailed out of the car, grabbing a heavy two-way work radio as I went out the door. As he got in I had a shot at the back of his head and started to swing the radio, but stopped and let him go. Not sure what I would have done if it had been a gun instead of a radio.

Cops were called and the guy eventually crashed the car about an hour later. He was ejected from the car, ripping his ear and half his face off on the way out. He died in the life flight on the way to the hospital, but they brought him back. Now he sits in a wheelchair in prison.

I believe in the sanctity of life, but not for folks who prove they don't want to play nice with others. Carjacking is not a crime against property, it's robbing someone with violence. Anytime someone uses violence against another, I will shed no tear if it results in their death.

Would I have shot the guy who carjacked me if I'd had a gun? Probably not, but not because I gave a shit about him. Only because I know that living in California at the time I would have been put through a judicial nightmare by law enforcement and any family the guy had.

Sad how in an effort to be a more enlightened, progressive society we let thugs victimize us. It's not easy to fight back, but I think it's the duty of every citizen to do what they can. I dare say the world is a better place without Tyrell Patrick.

 

[Artdeco]

I posted the wrong pic earlier, here's the alleged carjacker... My bad.

I'm sort of conflicted about property crimes, the laws vary from state to state, California will tell you property crimes are what insurance is for, other states have pretty tight laws about protecting your property, others are more focused on allowing you to protect your life & limb, and others as well... I carry a large deductible or just liability on my cars, so a theft is a significant monetary loss, don't think the state's going to reimburse me for my vehicle or the gap, plus, someone likely just stuck a gun in my face, I'd feel justified in my decision to end their life, because they'd just declared my life to be of little value to them.

I do feel that the line is pretty thin in a carjacking, they're using a deadly weapon to steal another potentially deadly weapon (the vehicle), lots of things can go wrong during the robbery. Heck, if you trip and hit your head on something solid, you could die, I'm not the most coordinated soul, and that's a real possibility if I'm avoiding being shot or struck by a car...

Playing "what if" with the limited information the media reports is stupid, lots of information missing that could affect how I would react. Heck, I might miss and shoot a Hooter's accidentally and spend a night in jail, and you know, that poor Hooter's didn't deserve to be shot, titties need to be protected.

 

[Paladin3]

According to a story by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the victim in the truck had a concealed carry permit.

Further:

"The other alleged accomplice, a 21-year-old woman, went to police Tuesday, gave a statement and was released, said Pat Conroy, her attorney. Conroy said the woman was a sister of the wounded DEAD suspect and was not involved in the alleged carjacking."

 

[Artdeco]

According to a story by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the victim in the truck had a concealed carry permit.

Further:

"The other alleged accomplice, a 21-year-old woman, went to police Tuesday, gave a statement and was released, said Pat Conroy, her attorney. Conroy said the woman was a sister of the wounded DEAD suspect and was not involved in the alleged carjacking."

Good. From the info the media has provided, a grand jury won't indict him, heck, the DA probably won't even ask for one.

 

[sportage]

Someone queue Donald Trump for gods sake.
And lets get going on that wall.

 

[Craig234]

I call BS on "people are having everything from economic problems to being damaged making them think crime is ok." I grew up in the hood. The vast majority are just normal people trying to get by. The worst crime they've committed is probably watching an illegal stream of WWF. Most of the crimes are committed by a few individuals over and over and over again, because of drugs or they choose to live the thug life. The system gives the criminals the benefit of the doubt, so they are never locked up long enough to make a difference. And so they keep cycling through the community wreaking havoc.

I have zero sympathy for those individuals living the thug life, especially the perpetrator who did carjacked the victim at gun point.

Anyhow murder charges are being sought for the accomplice, not the victim according to police.

Call BS all you like, you're arguing against something I didn't say. Poverty does exist, that small number of people have some things to sympathize with, not the crimes.

 

[Craig234]

Anybody here been carjacked? I have. I bought a brand new 2000 Ford Focus to commute to work in, and got carjacked 3 months later.

On the way home late one night, a guy sticks a knife in the window and tells me to get out. I grabbed his arm and wrestled with him through the open window, but couldn't get the knife away from him. I bailed out of the car, grabbing a heavy two-way work radio as I went out the door. As he got in I had a shot at the back of his head and started to swing the radio, but stopped and let him go. Not sure what I would have done if it had been a gun instead of a radio.

Cops were called and the guy eventually crashed the car about an hour later. He was ejected from the car, ripping his ear and half his face off on the way out. He died in the life flight on the way to the hospital, but they brought him back. Now he sits in a wheelchair in prison.

I believe in the sanctity of life, but not for folks who prove they don't want to play nice with others. Carjacking is not a crime against property, it's robbing someone with violence. Anytime someone uses violence against another, I will shed no tear if it results in their death.

Would I have shot the guy who carjacked me if I'd had a gun? Probably not, but not because I gave a shit about him. Only because I know that living in California at the time I would have been put through a judicial nightmare by law enforcement and any family the guy had.

Sad how in an effort to be a more enlightened, progressive society we let thugs victimize us. It's not easy to fight back, but I think it's the duty of every citizen to do what they can. I dare say the world is a better place without Tyrell Patrick.

I'd say that worked out pretty well for you considering, and pretty terribly for the criminal. Life destroyed because he wanted to use a car that night that wasn't his.

No excuse for his actions, but you think he's have stolen your car if he had one? Think millions have been spent on the incident that could have gone for helping people?

You might not appreciate the reasons why but it sounds like the laws are doing what they're supposed to with you - deterrence - but not that criminal.

I don't think anyone is saying you shouldn't be able to defend yourself in that situation. It's if it's past the point you are threatened that the violence by you the victim becomes an issue.

 

[Craig234]

I do put my time with my family above a lazy piece of shit criminal. We are only given so many hours in life to spend with family. To have them stolen because someone wants to take the easy way? yeah i value my family time far far more.


I go out and work for the items i NEED and want. I do not expect handouts. I do not steal.

That's right - it's why it's a crime and they can be jailed for it.

 

[Craig234]

You gotta love all the moral-less libtards coming out from the woodwork. "Quick let's play the race and environmental factor card, only black people in this whole world has a poverty problem. Who cares about those poors who choose not to commit crime? Clearly they don't exist."

I've never met one person who uses the word "libtard" that it wasn't ironic. Still.

That's a lot of straw men packed in 4 lines.

 

[Craig234]

$7.50/hr min wage is too low, yo...so we gotta engage in a high-risk, low-reward criminal activity then whine about how we got shot.

No one says they 'have to engage in that activity', and I note some people turn the entire issue of poverty into wasting money on 'tatts'. Makes it easier to not care about people.

 

[1sikbITCH]

Unless he'd rather have all of it for himself, and ends up robbing you/killing you and taking it from your body.

Pothead logic is soooo awesome man.

For a joint? HAHA you're already too paranoid to smoke weed.

 

[StrangerGuy]

I'd say that worked out pretty well for you considering, and pretty terribly for the criminal. Life destroyed because he wanted to use a car that night that wasn't his.

No excuse for his actions, but you think he's have stolen your car if he had one? Think millions have been spent on the incident that could have gone for helping people?

You might not appreciate the reasons why but it sounds like the laws are doing what they're supposed to with you - deterrence - but not that criminal.

I don't think anyone is saying you shouldn't be able to defend yourself in that situation. It's if it's past the point you are threatened that the violence by you the victim becomes an issue.

I don't steal or rob cars just because I don't have one. Just like millions of other poor people.

And you think you are qualified to lecture us about morality, that's hilarious.

 

[Artdeco]

I'd say that worked out pretty well for you considering, and pretty terribly for the criminal. Life destroyed because he wanted to use a car that night that wasn't his.

No excuse for his actions, but you think he's have stolen your car if he had one? Think millions have been spent on the incident that could have gone for helping people?

You might not appreciate the reasons why but it sounds like the laws are doing what they're supposed to with you - deterrence - but not that criminal.

I don't think anyone is saying you shouldn't be able to defend yourself in that situation. It's if it's past the point you are threatened that the violence by you the victim becomes an issue.

Wow, just wow, do you stream of consciousness post? None of this post makes a bit of sense.

 

[kage69]

Looks like another violent, crime-glorifying idiot has been removed from the gene pool.

No sympathy here.

 

[Icepick]

The victim got out of the truck and then shot at the carjacker as he was driving away. He won't be able to claim self defense and he'll be found guilty. Unfortunately, the victim is screwed now.

For the record, I have no sympathy for the carjacker.

 

[jaha2000]

Dont understand the fuss?
Bad guy commits major crime. Good guy stands his ground and disposes of bad guy.
One less criminal in the gene pool and one less we have to pay to keep in prision.

 

[Six]

The victim got out of the truck and then shot at the carjacker as he was driving away. He won't be able to claim self defense and he'll be found guilty. Unfortunately, the victim is screwed now.

For the record, I have no sympathy for the carjacker.

Except the victim is not being charged with murder. The police are looking to charge the accomplice.

 

[Artdeco]

The victim got out of the truck and then shot at the carjacker as he was driving away. He won't be able to claim self defense and he'll be found guilty. Unfortunately, the victim is screwed now.

For the record, I have no sympathy for the carjacker.

Um, no...

http://www.moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/stathtml/56300000311.HTML

563.031. 1. A person may, subject to the provisions of subsection 2 of this section, use physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she reasonably believes such force to be necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful force by such other person, unless:

(2) Such force is used against a person who unlawfully enters, remains after unlawfully entering, or attempts to unlawfully enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle lawfully occupied by such person.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Wow, just wow, do you stream of consciousness post? None of this post makes a bit of sense.

He can probably write a incoherent book-length thesis about how it's everybody else except the criminals themselves that is to blame for all violent crime, while we should bend over our asses to ensure the safety of these criminals while they attempt to violently rob our stuff. Then whine about why everybody laughs at him like an idiot.

 

[Riparian]

Um, no...

http://www.moga.mo.gov/mostatutes/stathtml/56300000311.HTML

563.031. 1. A person may, subject to the provisions of subsection 2 of this section, use physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she reasonably believes such force to be necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful force by such other person, unless:

(2) Such force is used against a person who unlawfully enters, remains after unlawfully entering, or attempts to unlawfully enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle lawfully occupied by such person.

The legal issue that would be argued if this statute were used would be the meaning of "occupied". If the victim got out of the car and then shot, is he still considered occupying the vehicle for the purposes of the statute?