20nm performance and pricing expectations

[meloz]

If TSMC experience a "wafer shortage" at 20nm -as they did with 28nm-, say goodbye to value and any expectations of good pricing.

 

[24601]

If TSMC experience a "wafer shortage" at 20nm -as they did with 28nm-, say goodbye to value and any expectations of good pricing.

Yes, someone needs to destroy ARM so that we can get back to TSMC for ATi and Nvidia :awe:

 

[Kippa]

It will be interesting memory wise if when the 8970 is released, if it does have 6gb of memory if there will be another version with 12gb of memory. Whilst for gamers having 12gb of memory will be extreme overkill, for scientists and multimedia people this would be great with regards to gpu processing.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I think the hd8970 will be about ~10-12% faster than Titan and priced at $599.

HD8970 is a rebranded HD7970. So the name itself is completely wrong.

If TSMC experience a "wafer shortage" at 20nm -as they did with 28nm-, say goodbye to value and any expectations of good pricing.

Apple and Qualcomm basically gonna duke it out for the initial 20nm. And they are both willing to pay more than AMD or nVidia.

But lets see when 20nm products are actually coming out of TSMC. It might be alot later than people expect.

 

[ShintaiDK]

For 20nm, I think prices will only go up. Higher demand, higher node cost. I wouldnt be surprised if the flagship cards got another 100-150$ on top.

 

[Silverforce11]

Apple and Qualcomm basically gonna duke it out for the initial 20nm. And they are both willing to pay more than AMD or nVidia.

But lets see when 20nm products are actually coming out of TSMC. It might be alot later than people expect.

They are willing to pay more, because they need the volumes AND their SoCs are tiny and thus, extremely high yields per wafer, they don't need to worry about duds, so per wafer they have more potential profit to barter with.

I heard Samsung may enter the fab business to produce other company designs.. we need more than TSMC, glofo is just not performing.

 

[Imouto]

I heard Samsung may enter the fab business to produce other company designs.

Samsung has been in the foundry business for a while now and it's really successful but I don't think they will make anything for AMD since they're partnering with TSMC and GloFo already.

 

[hawtdawg]

There will be no 20nm in 2013. TSMC and Glo-fo aren't even pretending like it will be ready before spring of next year.

 

[Imouto]

There will be no 20nm in 2013. TSMC and Glo-fo aren't even pretending like it will be ready before spring of next year.

Samsung said it's going to release 20 nm stuff in 2013 like Exynos SoCs and other stuff. They're already mass producing 10 nm class flash which is basically under 20 nm process node.

 

[Erenhardt]

Samsung said it's going to release 20 nm stuff in 2013 like Exynos SoCs and other stuff. They're already mass producing 10 nm class flash which is basically under 20 nm process node.

Yes, but...
..That was a wish of a mad man afraid of loosing $650.
Progress is inevitable. Your GTX780 is last year technology. I'm sorry.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Samsung said it's going to release 20 nm stuff in 2013 like Exynos SoCs and other stuff. They're already mass producing 10 nm class flash which is basically under 20 nm process node.

I dont think there will be any 20nm products in 2013. And we might even end up only seeing SoCs on 20nm in the entire 2014.

 

[Imouto]

I dont think there will be any 20nm products in 2013. And we might even end up only seeing SoCs on 20nm in the entire 2014.

Well, OFC. I highly doubt Samsung is developing 20 nm high performance silicon.

At least they have out 10 nm class flash and 20 nm LPDRR3 RAM and my bet is that Samsung's 20 nm is on schedule.

 

[R0H1T]

Well, OFC. I highly doubt Samsung is developing 20 nm high performance silicon.

You mean for their SoC ?

At least they have out 10 nm class flash and 20 nm LPDRR3 RAM and my bet is that Samsung's 20 nm is on schedule.

That's odd because I recall they had 21nm flash for the 840 SSD series, yes I know this piece of news about 10nm class NAND has been floating around for a while but still, so shrinking it another ~2nm is totally unheard of provided this info is accurate ! As for 20nm DRAM it has been in production since last year & was available for servers quite a while back.