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Originally posted by: Genx87
Good to see this thread devolved into a propaganda spam.

Yes, dennisboy I don't even know what you're typing/talking about anymore. That post with the 16 points was completely meaningless.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: KIRBYEE

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But an EU delegation visiting Tbilisi said Georgia's president had signed a draft proposal for a ceasefire.

French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner told the BBC that Mr Saakashvili had accepted EU proposals for a ceasefire, controlled withdrawals of troops on both sides and eventual political talks.

The delegation would now go to Moscow, Mr Kouchner said, to convince President Dmitry Medvedev to back the plan.

Earlier, Mr Medvedev said Russian troops were in control of Tskhinvali and Moscow's military push was "largely complete".

But the head of the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe, Alexander Stubb, accompanying Mr Kouchner, said he could not predict when the conflict would end, saying only that he was "optimistic" a cessation of violence could begin "in the next few days".

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Link

Saakashvili signs a ceasefire treaty proposed by the EU and the OSCE. :thumbsup:

Does not looks like that is going to happen, Russia is now pushing past the conflict zone and invading central Georgia.

Russians Push Past Separatist Area to Assault Central Georgia

TBILISI, Georgia ? Russia expanded its attacks on Georgia on Sunday, moving tanks and troops through the separatist enclave of South Ossetia and advancing toward the city of Gori in central Georgia, in its first direct assault on a Georgian city with ground forces during three days of heavy fighting, Georgian officials said.

 

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Top link on reuters, not a link rather but a headline

Russian troops advance 40 km from breakaway Abkhazia to Georgian town of Senaki inside Georgia proper: Georgian Interior Ministry 9:40am EDT

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Top link on reuters, not a link rather but a headline

Russian troops advance 40 km from breakaway Abkhazia to Georgian town of Senaki inside Georgia proper: Georgian Interior Ministry 9:40am EDT

Reports are saying that the Russian force assisting Abkhazia in the assault has now reached division strength.

 

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Oooo, look russia has now split georgia in half.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Oooo, look russia has now split georgia in half.

Surely senseamp is getting excited.

 

[OCGuy]

LOL @ the people who bought this just being about a little break-away region.

They will march to the capital and re-absorb Georgia. If I was that president I would be getting the hell out of there.

 

[theeedude]

Just watch what will happen. Russia will clean up Georgia's military's ability to repeat the adventure of last week, then leave.
It's already happening:
http://www.reuters.com/article...7/idUSLB20976320080811

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian troops pulled out of the Georgian town of Senaki on Monday after "eliminating" a threat to shell South Ossetia, Interfax news agency reported on Monday, quoting a Russian Defence Ministry statement.

The advance into Senaki, 40 km (25 miles) from a second separatist Georgian enclave, Abkhazia, appeared to open a second front against Georgian forces. But Russian officials have said they have no intention of occupying territory beyond South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

Of course Georgians are going to claim they drove the Russians out 🙂
There is no reason for Russia to occupy Georgia proper. Suckyshvili is weakened, Abkhazia and Ossetia will never go back to Georgia and will probably be integrated into Russia soon. NATO and EU are shown as entirely impotent and put on notice.
Russia got everything it wanted, it got nothing to gain by sticking around in Georgia where it will be drawn into a guerrilla war on hostile terrain.

 

[theeedude]

LOL 🙂

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: senseamp
Ukraine is a road apple. They wouldn't even be able to hold their country together if they started a war with Russia.

:roll:

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck, a road apple. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine.
Ukraine starts war with Russia, Crimea will go, and the port issue will settle itself.
Also, What's Ukraine's plan? Piss off Russia then come crying to NATO for help? Worked well for Georgia. 😀 You gonna sign up to fight to keep Crimea in the Ukraine against it's people's will?

wow. :shocked:

I think someone just popped a vein in their forehead. This thread is starting to smell like vodka and dried fish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzLtF_PxbYw

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: senseamp
LOL 🙂

Im guessing you are Russian, as you take so much glee in the Red Army on the move.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: senseamp
LOL 🙂

Im guessing you are Russian, as you take so much glee in the Red Army on the move.

You missed the point. There was an agreed ceasefire, hours later the Georgians broke it. They probably (falsely) assumed that the world would see Russia as the aggressor.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: senseamp
LOL 🙂

Im guessing you are Russian, as you take so much glee in the Red Army on the move.

You missed the point. There was an agreed ceasefire, hours later the Georgians broke it. They probably (falsely) assumed that the world would see Russia as the aggressor.

1. Noone attacked Russia

2. Its obvious Russia is going to reclaim the whole state and wipe out the government there

3. Everyone outside of Russia and conspiracy-nuts now do see Russia as the agressor. They are not going to stop with South Ossetia, they are going all the way on this one. Who knows where the tanks will stop?

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: senseamp
LOL 🙂

Im guessing you are Russian, as you take so much glee in the Red Army on the move.

You missed the point. There was an agreed ceasefire, hours later the Georgians broke it. They probably (falsely) assumed that the world would see Russia as the aggressor.

1. Noone attacked Russia

2. Its obvious Russia is going to reclaim the whole state and wipe out the government there

3. Everyone outside of Russia and conspiracy-nuts now do see Russia as the agressor. They are not going to stop with South Ossetia, they are going all the way on this one. Who knows where the tanks will stop?

Sure seems that way;

Russian troops reportedly cut Georgia in half

A top official at the Georgian embassy in Moscow said Russian troops appeared to be moving toward Tbilisi and he alleged Russia?s goal was ?complete liquidation? of the Georgian government.

 

[gevorg]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: senseamp
LOL 🙂

Im guessing you are Russian, as you take so much glee in the Red Army on the move.

You missed the point. There was an agreed ceasefire, hours later the Georgians broke it. They probably (falsely) assumed that the world would see Russia as the aggressor.

1. Noone attacked Russia

2. Its obvious Russia is going to reclaim the whole state and wipe out the government there

3. Everyone outside of Russia and conspiracy-nuts now do see Russia as the agressor. They are not going to stop with South Ossetia, they are going all the way on this one. Who knows where the tanks will stop?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K..._NATO_bombing_campaign

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: senseamp
LOL 🙂

Im guessing you are Russian, as you take so much glee in the Red Army on the move.

You missed the point. There was an agreed ceasefire, hours later the Georgians broke it. They probably (falsely) assumed that the world would see Russia as the aggressor.

1. Noone attacked Russia

Georgia attacked Russian peacekeepers. Point blank.

2. Its obvious Russia is going to reclaim the whole state and wipe out the government there

No it's not. Russia so far has targeted Georgian ability to wage war on Ossetia and Abkhazia, not permanently occupy whole of Georgia

3. Everyone outside of Russia and conspiracy-nuts now do see Russia as the agressor.

If everyone is ignoring the fact that Georgia started this by shelling a city full of civilians, during a so called cease fire, then who gives a sh!t how they view Russia?

They are not going to stop with South Ossetia, they are going all the way on this one. Who knows where the tanks will stop?

They should not stop with SO. Georgians won't be allowed to shell SO again. They launched this attack from land and bases outside of SO, and those bases are legit targets. Doesn't mean the Russians are going to occupy those bases, just neutralize their ability to attack civilians and Russian peacekeepers. Georgia started this war and brought this on itself by targeting civilians, it cannot expect to play with the house money and have the damage contained to South Ossetia.

 

[CallMeJoe]

The Freedom Loving Russian People are supporting the Right of all Slavic Peoples to Autonomy and political Self Determination.

As part of the new Russian empire, starting with Chechnya.

And Ossetia.

And Georgia.

And Ukraine? The Baltic States?

 

[Aimster]

Georgia is shooting down Russian aircraft.

with what? Soviet Era missiles?

No wonder Russia doesn't sell their best equipment to nations that the U.S wants to attack after Saddam. They will reveal everything they sell is bullshit.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

From what I gather Georgia threw heat at Russians and now they can't take it and are crying for help?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
From what I gather Georgia threw heat at Russians and now they can't take it and are crying for help?

Sounds more like they were dared into attacking back at the enclave so Russia had a weak excuse to invade with an entire army. Georgia took the bait and Russia is reeling them in.

This was so obviously a setup. Nobody has an entire army ready to go with a battle plan within hours. It even took Israel a few days to respond 2 years ago when two of their soldiers were abducted.

I guess we see what happens with Ukraine.

 

[theeedude]

The 58th Army that went in is permanently stationed just over the border in North Ossetia. They saw Georgians massing on the Ossetian border for weeks, and tensions have been excalating, I am sure they went on ready alert for just this eventuality. This is not some sort of big surprise that they went in, if anything I was surprised they didn't start air strikes on Georgian position earlier and allowed Georgia to do as much damage as it did to Ossetia.
Plus the whole thing does not wash. Georgia started heavy shelling of the Tskhivali, full of civilians, right at the start of the Olympics. They weren't baited, they knew exactly what they wanted to do, they just didn't count on Russia responding as it did.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: senseamp
The 58th Army that went in is permanently stationed just over the border in North Ossetia. They saw Georgians massing on the Ossetian border for weeks, and tensions have been excalating, I am sure they went on ready alert for just this eventuality. This is not some sort of big surprise that they went in, if anything I was surprised they didn't start air strikes on Georgian position earlier and allowed Georgia to do as much damage as it did to Ossetia.
Plus the whole thing does not wash. Georgia started heavy shelling of the Tskhivali, full of civilians, right at the start of the Olympics. They weren't baited, they knew exactly what they wanted to do, they just didn't count on Russia responding as it did.

Sure they were. Lots of reports they were simply returning fire from within the city. When they return fire the Russians invade with an entire army? kk

This is akin to SoCal delaring their independence, then the rebels firing on US troops outside and when we return fire Mexico invades with an entire army at the drop of a hat on two fronts coordinated with another break away region. Doesnt pass the sniff test. Sorry.

Now Georgia isnt without blame, they were dumb enough to take the bait.

 

[theeedude]

That's BS. Georgians simply could have left the border of South Ossetia if they were taking fire, instead they started shelling the whole city with heavy artillery, knowing full well it was full of civilians, and as importantly, Russian peacekeepers under OSCE mandate.
Georgians were taking fire because they were massing troops for an invasion. The timing to coincide with Olympics was no accident.
Also, looks like Georgians are back to shelling South Ossetia.
http://www.reuters.com/article/europeCrisis/idUSLB57281
That's why Russians have to continue military action until Georgia is no longer in position to do so, not trust some flimsy cease fire that Georgia has demonstrated means nothing to it, time and again.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
The Freedom Loving Russian People are supporting the Right of all Slavic Peoples to Autonomy and political Self Determination.

As part of the new Russian empire, starting with Chechnya.

And Ossetia.

And Georgia.

And Ukraine? The Baltic States?

Even Putin isn't nuts enough to go after the Baltic states which are NATO members. Even if he upends Georgia it would be sheer madness to go after allied nations on the gamble that the invocation of NATO Article 5 won't bring help.

Russia's conventional forces are large but they largely lack quality weaponry compared to the US and other NATO nations. They can't even suppress the Georgian anti-aircraft batteries for Christ's sake.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: senseamp
That's BS. Georgians simply could have left the border of South Ossetia if they were taking fire, instead they started shelling the whole city with heavy artillery, knowing full well it was full of civilians, and as importantly, Russian peacekeepers under OSCE mandate.
Georgians were taking fire because they were massing troops for an invasion. The timing to coincide with Olympics was no accident.
Also, looks like Georgians are back to shelling South Ossetia.
http://www.reuters.com/article/europeCrisis/idUSLB57281
That's why Russians have to continue military action until Georgia is no longer in position to do so, not trust some flimsy cease fire that Georgia has demonstrated means nothing to it, time and again.

The Georgians already conducted a unilateral ceasefire which the Russians ignored. Every western nation's leader has put a call into the Russian leadership with the Georgian leadership's blessing to broker a ceasefire...they've all been ignored.

What's the endgame for this "peacekeeping" exactly, sack the Georgian capital and execute its leaders? Given the advance on central Georgia and what the Russians have been muttering to the US that seems to be the goal.