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K1052

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The Russians are ignoring any and all overtures from the Georgian and Western governments.

Russian armor columns are advancing on the city of Gori well inside Georgian territory. They have also landed 4,000 troops in Abkhazia to open a second front there with the separatists which is now being proceeded with Russian airstikes.

The Ukrainians are now threatening to seal the Russian naval base the ships supporting the Abkhazia attack sortied from.

All hail the Russian humanitarians.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: K1052
The Russians are ignoring any and all overtures from the Georgian and Western governments.

Russian armor columns are advancing on the city of Gori well inside Georgian territory. They have also landed 4,000 troops in Abkhazia to open a second front there with the separatists which is now being proceeded with Russian airstikes.

The Ukrainians are now threatening to seal the Russian naval base the ships supporting the Abkhazia attack sortied from.

All hail the Russian humanitarians.
Yeah, the Ukraine is acting tough now like you said. If Russia is in Abkhazia are they looking to ultimately break apart Georgia?

Very major news, I'll have to get caught up this week. One of the only times I'd heard of Georgia before was also on a Tom Clancy game I have to admit.

 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: K1052
The Ukrainians are now threatening to seal the Russian naval base the ships supporting the Abkhazia attack sortied from.

I read this as well. Damn, that's one way to expand the war.
 

senseamp

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Ukraine is a road apple. They wouldn't even be able to hold their country together if they started a war with Russia.
 

senseamp

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Originally posted by: fallout man
Originally posted by: senseamp
Ukraine is a road apple. They wouldn't even be able to hold their country together if they started a war with Russia.

:roll:

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck, a road apple. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine.
Ukraine starts war with Russia, Crimea will go, and the port issue will settle itself.
Also, What's Ukraine's plan? Piss off Russia then come crying to NATO for help? Worked well for Georgia. :D You gonna sign up to fight to keep Crimea in the Ukraine against it's people's will?
 

fallout man

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: fallout man
Originally posted by: senseamp
Ukraine is a road apple. They wouldn't even be able to hold their country together if they started a war with Russia.

:roll:

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck, a road apple. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine.
Ukraine starts war with Russia, Crimea will go, and the port issue will settle itself.
Also, What's Ukraine's plan? Piss off Russia then come crying to NATO for help? Worked well for Georgia. :D You gonna sign up to fight to keep Crimea in the Ukraine against it's people's will?

wow. :shocked:

I think someone just popped a vein in their forehead. This thread is starting to smell like vodka and dried fish.
 

senseamp

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Originally posted by: fallout man
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: fallout man
Originally posted by: senseamp
Ukraine is a road apple. They wouldn't even be able to hold their country together if they started a war with Russia.

:roll:

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck, a road apple. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine.
Ukraine starts war with Russia, Crimea will go, and the port issue will settle itself.
Also, What's Ukraine's plan? Piss off Russia then come crying to NATO for help? Worked well for Georgia. :D You gonna sign up to fight to keep Crimea in the Ukraine against it's people's will?

wow. :shocked:

I think someone just popped a vein in their forehead. This thread is starting to smell like vodka and dried fish.
Ukraine can talk smack all it wants, but unless they are as dumb as Saakashivili's Georgia, it's just hot wind. If their ships try anything stupid, they will be at the bottom of the Black Sea in about 5 minutes.
 

Regs

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: Aimster
Russia is carpet bombing cities

Nobody cares

ok
I do, but OMG, did you hear about Edwards? He put his dick in somebody who wasn't his wife, this war stuff can wait.

Are you sure it was his dick? Last time I heard it was the only thing that wasn't stiff in his whole body.
 

TechAZ

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: fallout man
Originally posted by: senseamp
Ukraine is a road apple. They wouldn't even be able to hold their country together if they started a war with Russia.

:roll:

You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck, a road apple. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine.
Ukraine starts war with Russia, Crimea will go, and the port issue will settle itself.
Also, What's Ukraine's plan? Piss off Russia then come crying to NATO for help? Worked well for Georgia. :D You gonna sign up to fight to keep Crimea in the Ukraine against it's people's will?

Are you Russian by chance? I won't pretend to know the history of that region...but I've read other forums where people who are very much informed on military and political history in that region and say exactly the opposite of what you say. I'm not attacking you or saying your wrong, just wondering why there's such complete opposite opinions on who's in the wrong here.
 

DenisBoy

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Abkhazia and South Ossetia already prepare the reference in world with requirement to recognise independence. Naturally to it will oppose the USA but if the genocide of these people (proofs for last decades is proved it is already collected enough) they will find independence.

Type statements "whichever were an outcome - benefit always to America" mismatches the validity. In NATO it is impossible to accept gos-in with territorial problems! The decision on a question acceptance at the December summit will belong to Germany, and that who understands the politician will understand, that it designates.
 

Mardeth

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Wow. Should I be concerned for my safety? So much propaganda I have no idea whats going on.

And could someone please do something about DenisBoy?

EDIT: DenisBoy edited his post...
 

DenisBoy

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Though America considers Georgia as the most powerful ally in the block of the former Soviet countries, Washington too is in great need in Russia on such large questions as Iran, to risk all and to rise on protection of Georgia
 

DenisBoy

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The dense stream of the information which starts with mass-media simply does not allow to understand chronology and an essence of events. I will try to announce and explain that there were for the last some days:

For what war is necessary to Georgia?
Obligatory condition of the introduction into NATO (namely for the sake of it has come to power ???????????) is absence of territorial disputes in the country.

What does Georgia do?
Georgia has begun aggression, a genocide against the people of South Ossetia on Thursday evening. Installations ????????? fire Hailstones in a current of several hours fired at city areas. The purpose has been put very much for a long time and it sounded so: "to Cut out the Ossetin as the people." And advisers for the Caucasian region ??????? the USA understood a management of Georgia, that it is impossible to subordinate the great people of Ossetia, it can be destroyed only.

What does Russia do?
Russia under the United Nations mandate has peace-making forces in region. As soon as South Ossetia has been attacked the reinforcement in a conflict zone has been caused. It was 58th Russian Army. It was absolutely lawfully has acted to the aid of operating peacemakers. The column ???????????? has been attacked and has reasonably answered.

What does the USA?
Experts in the USA did not think, that Russia will answer to such degree rigidly. They thought, that during the Olympic Games Russia will not begin military actions, and will be limited to evacuation of the peacemakers. Already then their place would be occupied with peacemakers of the USA, and other history there would begin. All under control USA of mass-media merge the same information only from Georgia and thus actively play with a context (for such "???????? in a context" expel from the journalism faculty second year).

Conclusion: the Empire USA shows a teeth, but this all turns out worse and worse. They have lighted big fire on caucasus, but have not considered the main thing: the people as they would like are at war not, the person (???????????), against the great people is at war. Georgians do not want war, they will think and will draw the conclusion, then we can see the small revolution which result will be dangling on a wind, in a court yard of a presidential palace the hung up body.
 

DenisBoy

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Reaction from Kiev
For the first time for many years have found the slightest mutual understanding with my friend and the colleague from Kiev: the person it it is far not silly, the journalist, an analyst and the owner of set of every possible regalia, scientific ranks, etc., he is assured that:

1. There is it we (and at all Ukrainians) are under a PR press
2. ?? always was a part of Georgia
3. Russia (and at all Georgia) is an aggressor
4. USA will soon protect Georgia, having landed in Abkhazia (it after to it has told, that in port Poti already to land it there is no place)
5. Frenchmen, Germans and Poles (!) already to following days off will enter the armies in ??, and not within the limits of OSCE, and NATO
6. Our armies therefrom will escape, having put the tail between the legs
7. Ukraine will put a lot of weapon of everyone to Georgians, therefore we too type will blow
8. Against Russia now all world
9. At us no modern weapon is present, and rusty all only
10. Georgians at us ???????? also the North Ossetia (and he recognises, that ???????? Georgians are not able, but they will be helped by all world)
11. Objective ???? it is shown only on CNN and BBC
12. Our losses much more, than at the Georgian
13. sms from front from our military men writes a special staff from KGB
14. After we ostensibly will lose war of all at whom the Russian citizenship, deport from Crimea (strange why not right now?)
15. If Ukraine opens the second front, to us of type ???? ??????? because Ukraine ostensibly has more than weapon
16. The Ukrainian volunteers torn now to help to "brothers-Georgians" is ???? not young office bourgeoises, and ?????????? more abruptly any special troops
 

anthrax

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I think the Georgian's really miscalculatd big them. They esculated the conflict by sending their troops into the disputed region and created a excuse for the Russian's to esculate on their side.
Whats more, the Georgian Government decided to declare war on Russia on the 9th for 15 days. Putin would probably laughed his headoff when he heard this. Dumb move. They just just given an excuse for the russian's to destroy Geogia's ability to wage war?

I think the Russian for the next 15 days strike heavily at Georgia's war making ability by striking hard at all military and C3 (command, control, communication) infrasrtucture.
In laymens term.

Deploy conventional artillery or use war planes to attack the following.
Any Army units/ army depots/ barrakcs, Police units / police stations, all radio and TV stations, roads, bridges, airports, ports. Any government building that can be remotely related to C3.


 

DenisBoy

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http://www.hrw.org/

The USA have organised the aviabridge on delivery to Georgia from Jordan of the weapon intending for the American contingent in Iraq, informs NEWSRu.co.il referring to the Israeli newspaper "??????".
By data "???????", the weapon is thrown by the transport planes of the Russian manufacture belonging to airline UTI. The sending point names Aqaba in Jordan which is used for a long time the USA as a reloading point for deliveries to Iraq.
According to MIGnews, deliveries from Aqaba in Tbilisi are carried out since Saturday, on August, 9th.
Meanwhile The Jerusalem Post writes, that Georgia urged Israel to put pressure upon Russia, however in an official statement of the Israeli Ministry for Foreign Affairs expression of concern and an appeal to the peace resolution of conflict, instead of condemnation of actions of Russia contained only.
Israel, according to The Jerusalem Post, last months has stopped weapon deliveries to Georgia. After that Georgia repeatedly asked to renew deliveries, however in the Ministry of Defence of Israel have come to conclusion, that there is a danger of collision between Georgia and Russia, and have refused.

The deputy chief of Joint Staff VS of the Russian Federation colonel general Anatoly Nogovitsyn named statements of the president of Georgia Michael Saakashvili for cease-fire by a deceit, informs RIA Novosti news agency. "This statement has made to lull public opinion. But we do not relax, to us, the military man to relax it is impossible", - has told ?????????.
Earlier it was informed, that the Georgian president has signed a certain document on the cease-fire, prepared by Ministers for Foreign Affairs of Finland and France.
According to the Georgian party, the head the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of France and Finland already deliver today the document to Moscow. The maintenance of the document on cease-fire is not specified.
Let's notice, that earlier Georgian authorities repeatedly informed mass-media that have suggested Russia to stop fire. The Russian authorities assert, that any offers from the Georgian party did not receive.

lenta.ru

As the newspaper "??????" informs today, the United States of America have organised the aviabridge through which of Jordan to Georgia the weapon and the ammunition intending for the American contingent in Iraq are thrown in an emergency order.
- Jerusalem Post: Tbilisi asks from Jerusalem to put pressure upon Moscow
- George Bush has condemned bombardments of Georgia
- Abkhazia and Ossetia will demand independence, Russia is ready to recognise them
From the past Friday daily from the airport of Aqaba in Tbilisi four cargo planes of the American airline UTI Worldwide INC specialising on the international transfer, and having 470 representations in 132 countries of the world take off. It is necessary to notice, that the company uses cargo planes of the Russian manufacture.
Aqaba is for a long time already a reloading point for deliveries to Iraq. Americans deliver the weapon and an ammunition in the Jordanian port, whence they go overland by through the iordano-Iraq border. In the Pentagon consider such way as much more safe, than delivery directly to Iraq through waters of Persian gulf.
"??????" notices, that Georgia is actively reserved by the weapon on a case of intrusion of the Russian armies on the territory. The Georgian army did not use till now in the conflict many newest kinds of arms, preferring to make "surprise" the Russian military man.
Meanwhile, the newspaper "????? ???????" informs referring to the minister ???????????? to Georgia, the Jew on a nationality, Timur Jakobashvili, that the Georgian parts storming Tskhinvali, have been prepared by the Israeli military advisers for sample ??????.
"Israel should be proud of that work which its experts have spent with our armies. Two Russian armies could disperse these divisions, line 50 tanks, bring down 12 planes and destroy not less than 60 Russian soldiers. They did not trust the eyes", - has declared ?????????? in interview "????? ???????".
At the same time, the Israeli experts notice, that so heavy reaction of Russian to operation in South Ossetia was full unexpectedness. "Georgia did not have any chances of a victory in such war", - has noted one of the Israeli sources.
The newspaper "??????" writes referring to one of the former officers ??????, working as the military instructor in Georgia together with tens colleagues, that the war beginning in region did not become unexpectedness. "The sensation of eve of war was already then, a code we have arrived to Georgia", - the former officer of the Israeli special troops speaks ?.
? also notices, that base receptions of conducting war, antiterrorist actions and fights in city district were taught to the Georgian divisions. "The Ministry of Defence has forbidden us to teach ways of conducting the wars used by elite divisions TsAhAla, and considered as the classified information of defensive character", - speaks L.
He also notices, that as soon as there were first signs of an aggravation of the conflict, the Georgian authorities have immediately sent the Israeli experts home.
The edition also quotes one of the high-ranking reserve officers ??????, working in Georgia. He named adventurism of action of the Georgian authorities which have purposefully gone on strain of relations with Russia. "Georgia ? the small country with the army similar to armies of the countries of the third world. They do not differ strategic thinking, and they have every day surprises", - the officer has declared.
Meanwhile, defensive sources in Israel named "naive" a position of the Ministry for Foreign Affairs which have put a veto for delivery of arms to Georgia, and have demanded to exclude the Ministry of Foreign Affairs from decision-making process about defensive deliveries.

newsru.co.il
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Good to see this thread devolved into a propaganda spam.

Isn't that how all war threads turn out? What, you think Americans are above that?

Besides, the Russians are right in what they did. It's like Georgia played right into their hand and tried to feign innocence against the evil Russians:roll:. If some asshat leader wants to play hero, he needs a true taste of what war means. Unimaginable retaliation is the way to go.