$205 GTX465 or wait for GTX460 Deal?

[SpicyCurry]

I am building a computer for a friend. He will be playing moderate gaming at either 1080p or 1920x1200. He also plans to use the computer for 3D CAD modeling. At best, he only plans to lightly overclock the GPU, depending on how the temperatures work out. Will be using an air cooled case, most likely the Antec 900.

There's a deal at TigerDirect for an EVGA GTX465 1GB Superclocked + games (link at bottom of post). Combining a $15 off + free shipping promo code TQY4783 and $30 rebate, the total comes to $205. This promo code expires after today so the decision on the 465 will have to be made today.

I haven't heard many things about the GTX465. Most people rave about the GTX460 1GB, so I was wondering if anyone knew how the GTX465 1GB compares to that. I would buy a GTX460 1GB at $205 given all that I've read about it, but I don't know much about the 465. Is it worth it to purchase this 465 or should I wait for a deal on the GTX460 1GB?


http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...jCHvSDCiSxxjm2

 

[mrcaffeinex]

Here is the comparison on the AnandTech GPU Bench: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Prod...0.111.125.112.113.114.121.126.123.122.124.127

I personally own the Gigabyte 460 1GB with the factory overclock: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-333-_-Product

I am very pleased with its performance and the deciding factor for me was the power consumption/temperature which are much better on the 460s.

-MrCaffeineX

 

[happy medium]

That Evg model of gtx465 is just as quiet (42db) and runs at 81c (just as cool) at 100 percent load as a gtx 460.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/evga-geforce-gtx-465-sc-review/5

$25 dollars cheaper then a gtx 460 is a good price for that peticular gtx 465.
The gtx 465 is about 95 percent as fast as a gtx 460 1gb.

It also overclocks real well.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/evga-geforce-gtx-465-sc-review/17

It does draw about 40 more watts then the 460,but if your power supply is up to it, its a good choice.

 

[SpicyCurry]

Thanks. I think since there's no rush to build the computer + the computer will use air cooling, I'll pass and wait for a deal on a 1GB 460. The power, temperature, and noise numbers on the 465 are pretty bad.

 

[SpicyCurry]

Here is the comparison on the AnandTech GPU Bench: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Prod...0.111.125.112.113.114.121.126.123.122.124.127

That Evg model of gtx465 is just as quiet (42db) and runs at 81c (just as cool) at 100 percent load as a gtx 460.

For some reason, I assumed the Anand GPU benchmark comparisons used EVGA for both the 460 and 465. Does anyone know what manufacturer model Anand used for the comparison?

 

[happy medium]

Thanks. I think since there's no rush to build the computer + the computer will use air cooling, I'll pass and wait for a deal on a 1GB 460. The power, temperature, and noise numbers on the 465 are pretty bad.

I see you didnt read my links, but anyhow both are go choices.
The gtx 465 for that price starts to be a little more interesting.
The gtx 465 got a bad rap because it was $280, at $205
its good buy,especially a Evga super clock model with its cooler and quiet operation.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/evga-geforce-gtx-465-sc-review/5
Good luck

 

[SpicyCurry]

I see you didnt read my links, but anyhow both are go choices.

Lol, I made that post before being able to read yours (the posts were made within the same minute). I'm now reconsidering and am trying to find more articles to get a better picture.

One of the things I definitely was wondering about was whether the 465 got bad reviews due to performance for price. If that's the case, that makes the $205 GTX465 a very viable buy, as long as it isn't completely outclassed by the GTX460 1GB in terms of performance, power, temperature, and noise. The Anandtech GPU comparison definitely makes it look like the GTX460 wins in that regard.

Will now search other sites to see what they have to say. Thanks!

 

[blckgrffn]

Power consumption means heat in the case, even if the card is good at cooling itself. At best, its still contributing more heavily to the ambient temp.

 

[happy medium]

Beware, most other sites are using old launch drivers for the gtx 465 and piss poor , hot, loud ,engineering samples.

The Anand gtx 460 review uses the latest drivers for the gtx 465 as well as other cards.
Most reviews just reuse old benchmarks.

 

[happy medium]

Power consumption means heat in the case, even if the card is good at cooling itself. At best, its still contributing more heavily to the ambient temp.

yea about 2c or 3c at most,and he has a Antec 900, good airflow.
Evga solution shoots most of the hot air out the back.

 

[SpicyCurry]

The Anand GTX465 review uses the Zotac model, and I believe they're using this same model for the GPU Benchmark comparisons. The Zotac 465 has poor power, temperature, and noise compared to the reference 460. Anand also wrote an article comparing the OC'd GTX460 among 4 different models. In that comparison, the Zotac one had the worst power, temperature, and noise.

Is Zotac notorious for high power/temp/noise? Or is it just a coincidence with their 465 and 460?

 

[Grooveriding]

Why would you buy a card for $200 (465) that performs worse than another card that also costs $200 (460) And more the 465 is hotter and louder, it basically has the heat and noise characteristics of a 470 without the performance.

There is only one 465 I would recommend to anyone, and that is this one:

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=54937&...SI%2FMicroStar

And that is just because they come pre-flashed to a 470 and still warrantied and ncix has amazing support and service and them doing this for their customers is just awesome.

Op, 465 is generally a garbage card. Do yourself a favour and get a 460.

 

[happy medium]

I base my opinion on 2 good EVGA SC reviews and back it up with facts.


From Hardwarecanucks, EVGA sc review.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...force-gtx-465-1gb-superclocked-review-22.html

Quote;

We went into this review thinking the GTX 465 would exhibit the same acoustical profile as the GTX 470 but we were wrong. Instead of being moderately noticeable over the system fans, we didn’t hear a peep out of this new card even though it exhibited extremely good temperatures throughout testing. There are some fan speed increases every now and then but you likely won’t hear them unless you are playing a game without the sound enabled. EVGA’s Superclocked version sports a slightly different fan speed profile as it is actually able to keep things a bit cooler than the reference card."

 

[Grooveriding]

I base my opinion on 2 good EVGA SC reviews and back it up with facts.


From Hardwarecanucks, EVGA sc review.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...force-gtx-465-1gb-superclocked-review-22.html

Quote;

We went into this review thinking the GTX 465 would exhibit the same acoustical profile as the GTX 470 but we were wrong. Instead of being moderately noticeable over the system fans, we didn’t hear a peep out of this new card even though it exhibited extremely good temperatures throughout testing. There are some fan speed increases every now and then but you likely won’t hear them unless you are playing a game without the sound enabled. EVGA’s Superclocked version sports a slightly different fan speed profile as it is actually able to keep things a bit cooler than the reference card."

OP as you can see, the card essentially has the same temperatures as a 470 without the performance. It's a terrible card and a bad buy.

The 460 is a much better choice, it's cooler, faster and the same price. With all that, why buy this card ?

 

[happy medium]

OP as you can see, the card essentially has the same temperatures as a 470 without the performance. It's a terrible card and a bad buy.

The 460 is a much better choice, it's cooler, faster and the same price. With all that, why buy this card ?

This guy is blind.

The chart he quoted shows the gtx 465 running a few degrees more then a 5850 and cooler then a 5870.
Ever heard anyone complain about heat with a 5870?

The gtx460 runs a little more hot then a 5850 and uses 12 more watts.

He must be blind when looking for prices also, because I never seen a gtx 460 1gb for less then $205.
Mabe a 768 model for under $200 , but we all know they are slower.
A 768 model overclocked = a gtx 1gb.

A gtx 465 will overclock to 800+ core and overtake a gtx 470.
a gtx 460 needs 900+ core to match a gtx 470.

I was never a big fan of the gtx 465 but the EVGA superclock model for only 205$ shipped is hard to beat. It runs faster with its factory overclock, much cooler then the reference model, and much more quiet also.

 

[Leyawiin]

Why would you buy a card for $200 (465) that performs worse than another card that also costs $200 (460) And more the 465 is hotter and louder, it basically has the heat and noise characteristics of a 470 without the performance.

I have this one arriving tomorrow:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125332

After the weekend promo code and MIR its going to cost me $184.99. According to AT's graph it sits between a $200 768MB and $230 1GB GTX 460 in performance. According to techPowerUp its just about dead even with a GTX 460 1GB @ 1680x1050 (my resolution): http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_460_1_GB/31.html. It uses the equivalent of a small light bulb's extra power (30-40W depending on who's review you're reading) and with its third party cooling solution the load temps are between 55-57C (on top of being very quiet). Here's a couple of favorable reviews:

http://www.hardwarezone.com/product-guide/view/49345
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1874

Its $45 cheaper than a GTX 460 1GB, comparable in performance and just as quiet and cool running (the card itself, not power consumption). That's why I bought it. Blanket generalizations are sometimes a bad thing.

 

[happy medium]

I have this one arriving tomorrow:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125332

After the weekend promo code and MIR its going to cost me $184.99. According to AT's graph it sits between a $200 768MB and $230 1GB GTX 460 in performance. According to techPowerUp its just about dead even with a GTX 460 1GB @ 1680x1050 (my resolution): http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_460_1_GB/31.html. It uses the equivalent of a small light bulb's extra power (30-40W depending on who's review you're reading) and with its third party cooling solution the load temps are between 55-57C (on top of being very quiet). Here's a couple of favorable reviews:

http://www.hardwarezone.com/product-guide/view/49345
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1874

Its $45 cheaper than a GTX 460 1GB, comparable in performance and just as quiet and cool running (the card itself, not power consumption). That's why I bought it. Blanket generalizations are sometimes a bad thing.

Amen to that. Its a tough choice.
The 5830 is another card that gets a bad rap ,but for under 200$, its not so bad.

 

[bryanW1995]

ok, maybe we can find something to smile at with a well-priced gtx 465, but if you say "5830" in a positive light again I'm gonna throw up. 5830 is much more neutered than gtx 465 is. $185 for a gtx 465 isn't a terrible deal, and for the OP is probably a better deal than $230 for a gtx 460 1gb.

 

[happy medium]

ok, maybe we can find something to smile at with a well-priced gtx 465, but if you say "5830" in a positive light again I'm gonna throw up. 5830 is much more neutered than gtx 465 is. $185 for a gtx 465 isn't a terrible deal, and for the OP is probably a better deal than $230 for a gtx 460 1gb.

hey, I don't want to make you throw up, but I've seen 5830's for 150$ AR and about $175 on a normal basis now. Thats not bad at all.

 

[s44]

Wait for somebody *else* to buy the remaining GTX465s so that Nvidia releases the GTX475 (full-shader GF104).

 

[Grooveriding]

Wait for somebody *else* to buy the remaining GTX465s so that Nvidia releases the GTX475 (full-shader GF104).

This is along the lines of the smart move. Don't buy EOL poorly rounded products on the assertions of someone who made the mistake of buying one and someone else who goes rabid once they get an opinion in their head.

The 465 is a rubbish card, it was roundly labeled as such at its release and that hasn't changed today. There is a reason they're on fire sale.

 

[SpicyCurry]

ok, maybe we can find something to smile at with a well-priced gtx 465, but if you say "5830" in a positive light again I'm gonna throw up. 5830 is much more neutered than gtx 465 is. $185 for a gtx 465 isn't a terrible deal, and for the OP is probably a better deal than $230 for a gtx 460 1gb.

I'm only purchasing video cards on sale, so I'm not comparing a $205 GTX465 sale price to the $230 GTX460 1GB retail price. The best deal I've seen so far is an ASUS GTX460 1GB DirectCu for $209 at Amazon. The 768MB version of this card got a great review at Anandtech, and I assume the 1GB will perform just as well.

One of my friends managed to get the ASUS 1GB card at $209. The other friend whom I'm building a brand new computer for asked me to build his computer 2 days after the ASUS GTX460 deal expired. The current $205 EVGA GTX465 is the next best deal after I started shopping for the 2nd friend.

Anyways, I'll just give my friend the pros and cons of the 460 vs 465 and let him decide. From what information I've gathered, the EVGA GTX465 SC is almost equivalent to a GTX460 1GB. There are areas where the 465 performs better, and areas where it performs worse. Either way he chooses, I think he'll be happy with the results.

 

[Leyawiin]

This is along the lines of the smart move. Don't buy EOL poorly rounded products on the assertions of someone who made the mistake of buying one and someone else who goes rabid once they get an opinion in their head.

The 465 is a rubbish card, it was roundly labeled as such at its release and that hasn't changed today. There is a reason they're on fire sale.

I wouldn't buy a GTX 465 at release price. I wouldn't buy one with the reference cooler. I wouldn't choose one over a GTX 460 without a decent discount. I wasn't trying to encourage anyone to buy anything. That said, my purchase (if you are at all familiar with US pricing and took a few minutes to read anything I linked) is a good deal. The card's performance for $185 is anything but "rubbish" and far from a mistake on my part. Keep those generalizations coming though! Gives us something to post about.