2020 report sees India, China as top powers

[cquark]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
The most powerful countries will not be the ones with the largest populations...if you think the distribution of wealth in America is unfair, you should see what it is like in places like India and China...as these economic behemoths continue to grow, and the plight of their lower classes becomes more desperate, it sets the stage for a nice bloody civil war.

I agree that India and the PRC have serious problems, but they're still likely to be economic and military powers on par with the US even with only a fraction of their populations living at first world standards.

 

[smc13]

"China is far more effective just because it is a communist regime. "

I seem to remember a cold war with a democratic/free market regime VS. a communistic regime. Who won again? Let me think....oh yeah, The democratic one. ;-)

The idea that a communistic regime is better then a democratic/free market regime is nutty. We've been there, done that. The reason China is succeeding is because they are allowing more of a free market economy and loosening their totalitarianism. They have benefited greatly from acquiring Hong Kong which was democratic and a free market. I can't believe someone actually believe communism can work still!

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

India is a socialist country. It has hundreds of institutions in place to help the poor, the problem is it has only had about 60 years of freedom. Give it time for these institutions to mature, and the governmental processes to evolve and it will be powerful. I really don't see a Civil War happening, the backwards castes are now getting people in government and in positions of real power.

Given the treatment of lower castes during the Tsunami relief efforts, I do not see the cultural barriers in India going away any time soon...India does have hundreds of institutions in place, but also widespread corruption that makes our political machine look efficient and honest.

As I said those institutions are evolving.

And please do no take quotes from the Western media. I have found them to be blatantly false from actual visits to countries in the Middle East and South Asia. Sadly enough the caste system is more prevalent amongst Indians living in Western countries than those living in India itself. The only thing I saw in India was a tendency to marry people who looked like you. Indo-Aryan people tended to intermarry, as did the Asian looking ones, and the Dravidians from the south had the same tendencies. That is seen in America or any multi-ethnic country as well. White people marry whites for the most part, Asians marry asians and so on.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Stunt
I hope that india and china are trying to improve living standards and not just use growth as a means to build weaponry and military.

The US isn't setting a good precedent in this regard.

But we have the best standard of living dont we? Top three in per capita income??

The US is 8th on 2004 Human Development Index, which is a measure of life expectancy, education, and national income.
http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/coca_801.asp
India and the PRC's rankings are far below that of the US, of course.

If those countries had the immigrant influx that we do, then these stats might have more value. The USA has a larger population than all those countries combined. We take in so many immigrants and since out population is so large, its astonishing that we're even that high up. Of all the countries with large populations, we have the best standard of living by far.

Just think for a second, if our population was 60 million instead of 300 million right now, we would have the best standard of living with probably the higher per capita GDP in the world.

 

[imported_Tango]

This is hardly surprising. Paul Kennedy wrote about this in his 1989 book "Rise and Fall of the Great Powers".
In history every superpower came to a zenith and then began a sudden or slow decadence. It happened to the Alexander the Great, Carthago, the Roman Empire Napoleon's France, the colonial United Kingdom. The USA have been the ruling superpower of the last 50 years, and eventually some other country will grow to a ruling superpower status.
China will be the next ruling superpower, and probably India will follow.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Sadly enough the caste system is more prevalent amongst Indians living in Western countries than those living in India itself.

:roll: You've got to be joking. I definitely disagree.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: raildogg

If those countries had the immigrant influx that we do, then these stats might have more value. The USA has a larger population than all those countries combined. We take in so many immigrants and since out population is so large, its astonishing that we're even that high up. Of all the countries with large populations, we have the best standard of living by far.

Just think for a second, if our population was 60 million instead of 300 million right now, we would have the best standard of living with probably the higher per capita GDP in the world.

Some of those countries have fairly large percentages of immigrants, too.

 

[imported_Tango]

Originally posted by: raildogg

If those countries had the immigrant influx that we do, then these stats might have more value. The USA has a larger population than all those countries combined. We take in so many immigrants and since out population is so large, its astonishing that we're even that high up. Of all the countries with large populations, we have the best standard of living by far.

Just think for a second, if our population was 60 million instead of 300 million right now, we would have the best standard of living with probably the higher per capita GDP in the world.

Hum.. actually the USA are under-populated. They have quite a big population, but it his spread over a huge surface.

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: cquark

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Stunt
I hope that india and china are trying to improve living standards and not just use growth as a means to build weaponry and military.

The US isn't setting a good precedent in this regard.

But we have the best standard of living dont we? Top three in per capita income??

The US is 8th on 2004 Human Development Index, which is a measure of life expectancy, education, and national income.
http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/coca_801.asp
India and the PRC's rankings are far below that of the US, of course.

If those countries had the immigrant influx that we do, then these stats might have more value.

Canada's immigration rate is more than twice that of the US.

 

[judasmachine]

if we'd just join with the rest of the world instead of trying to remake it in our own image, this would be alot less painful.

 

[Proletariat]

You've got to be joking. I definitely disagree.

I'm sure you are a PHd on Indian culture and have been to the place.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

You've got to be joking. I definitely disagree.

I'm sure you are a PHd on Indian culture and have been to the place.

I'm sure you are a PHd on Indian culture and have been to the place.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

You've got to be joking. I definitely disagree.

I'm sure you are a PHd on Indian culture and have been to the place.

You might be a 'PHd', but it's certainly clear that you are no PhD.

 

[Kermit]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Just think for a second, if our population was 60 million instead of 300 million right now, we would have the best standard of living with probably the higher per capita GDP in the world.

Umm, no. You would also have 1/5th of the workforce, production would go way down, together with GDP.

 

[Promethply]

Time for the CIA to get off their lazy butt, and do their best to stir up rebellions in Tibet, Sinkiang, and there's got to be many disgruntled member of the population in China that can be convinced to rebel in the name of democracy, for God's sakes :evil: 😛

 

[raildogg]

Labour costs in India among world?s lowest

BRUSSELS, APRIL 11: Labour costs in India are among the world?s lowest while the highest -- 25 times over the Indian figure -- are in the three European Union member-countries of Belgium, Sweden and Germany, according to a study.

The survey conducted by Mercer Human Resources Consulting, the world?s largest employee benefits consultancy, shows labour costs in India at around 2000 euros or, at the present rate of conversion, Rs 1,12,000 a year.

In Belgium, Sweden and Germany the financial burden of employing a worker (including benefits) is more than 50,000 euros or in Indian conversion over Rs 28,00,000 a year.

The European figures stand higher than costs in Japan at 45,839 euros and in US at 33,195 euros.

The labour costs as computed in the survey include national average earnings for full-time male employees, social security, mandatory benefits as required by national law and voluntary benefits such as pension, death, disability and medical payments.

? INEP

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I knew Germany and Belgium had labor problems, but not to this extent. Germany may go the way of Japan in the not too distant future unless there is a radical change in policy.

 

[Promethply]

Originally posted by: frankie38
This is the same CIA that said IRAQ has WMD: "Weapons of Mass Destruction".

The CIA has no cred. The biggest issue the US will have is Al Qaeda and Bin Laden.
China and India do not have enough food and water to feed its own people!

Stop worrying about China and India.

Find and capture all the terrorist!

So true bro :thumbsup: