2020 Census Undercounted U.S. Population by Nearly 19 Million

[Greenman]

Because the census isn't used for anything else besides population count.

It's not like it's used to determine voting districts or disperse federal funds to specific communities..

Which has nothing to do with race.

Let me clarify my issue for you. The title up there says the US census undercounted the population by 19 million. There is a link to an article about it. The article clearly states the count was accurate. The issue was that designation of race was incorrect 19 million times. My response is "so what?".
The only mention of race in the section of the constitution that established the census was to include Indians.

This entire thread is about a fabricated event.

 

[Xcobra]

Could you direct me to the place in the constitution that defines the parameters please.

You do realize that the constitution is nearly 250 years old, right? The make up of the US population was completely different back then. It's so diverse that it is actually relevant to keep track of this diversity because each group is affected by electoral maps and funding. This is elementary shit. I can't understand how Americans can be so adamant about strictly following an old-ass piece of paper. No wonder progress is stifled over generations 🙄

 

[MrSquished]

You do realize that the constitution is nearly 250 years old, right? The make up of the US population was completely different back then. It's so diverse that it is actually relevant to keep track of this diversity because each group is affected by electoral maps and funding. This is elementary shit. I can't understand how Americans can be so adamant about strictly following an old-ass piece of paper. No wonder progress is stifled over generations 🙄

Conservatives are consistent in thinking that whatever the rules were exactly in 1776 when we were a country on just the east coast of our continent and there was slavery and women and men without property couldn't vote or take part in governance is how everything should be applied exactly today. It's such an insane point of view that it truly makes me wonder if conservatives are capable of any critical thinking skills. Because conservatives in general want to maintain a white male status quo and blame the majority of the nations problems on non white male and non business owners, it's easy for them to go back to a time when it was only white men in charge and only the wealthy and business owners had any real power.

Basically it shows they have not evolved much socio-politically in 250 years which is why the right is trying to roll back history, such as with suppressing the voting and districts of minorities, demeaning actions that would make things like gender pay equality a thing, taking away the rights of homosexuals, etc...

They are unevolved people.

 

[vi edit]

You know, the memorial to the guy that actually helped write the constitution has this quote...

""I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times."

Huh.

He gets it.

Instead we have this for leadership now.

 

[Greenman]

You do realize that the constitution is nearly 250 years old, right? The make up of the US population was completely different back then. It's so diverse that it is actually relevant to keep track of this diversity because each group is affected by electoral maps and funding. This is elementary shit. I can't understand how Americans can be so adamant about strictly following an old-ass piece of paper. No wonder progress is stifled over generations 🙄

The reason Americans are so adamant about following "an old ass piece of paper" is because it works. It's built the most powerful and wealthiest nation to ever exist. Belief in the words written on that paper is what makes the system work.

 

[dank69]

The reason Americans are so adamant about following "an old ass piece of paper" is because it works. It's built the most powerful and wealthiest nation to ever exist. Belief in the words written on that paper is what makes the system work.

That's a stretch. A lot of things contributed to our ascension to world power. I've never heard anyone claim a primary reason for it was our constitution.

 

[MrSquished]

The reason Americans are so adamant about following "an old ass piece of paper" is because it works. It's built the most powerful and wealthiest nation to ever exist. Belief in the words written on that paper is what makes the system work.

Believing that everything a bunch of dudes created that thought slavery was ok, women and men without property should not be able to vote, and other things, in a country that was a fraction of the size population wise and geographically and with a far different make-up, is something that just works and can't be criticized to be made better, is insane. If they got those things wrong, they got other things wrong. Such as how now the two party system is destroying America.

It's insane to think that none of their fucked up beliefs and changes in America since have created situations where their best laid out plans are no longer working well.

 

[Xcobra]

The reason Americans are so adamant about following "an old ass piece of paper" is because it works. It's built the most powerful and wealthiest nation to ever exist. Belief in the words written on that paper is what makes the system work.

The reason why we are talking about this (and endless other issues in this forum) is exactly because it DOESN'T most of the time.

 

[Greenman]

The reason why we are talking about this (and endless other issues in this forum) is exactly because it DOESN'T most of the time.

That's incorrect. The constitution works just fine, the issue is some people don't like the outcome of it's dictates, and want to pick and choose which parts are followed and which parts are ignored.
I actually agree with idea that the constitution and bill of rights need some updating, but I'm also absolutely convinced that as a society we're far to selfish, greedy, lazy, demanding, and stupid to do it.

 

[Xcobra]

That's incorrect. The constitution works just fine, the issue is some people don't like the outcome of it's dictates, and want to pick and choose which parts are followed and which parts are ignored.
I actually agree with idea that the constitution and bill of rights need some updating, but I'm also absolutely convinced that as a society we're far to selfish, greedy, lazy, demanding, and stupid to do it.

Way to contradict yourself.

 

[Greenman]

Way to contradict yourself.

I don't recall saying the constitution was without issues.

 

[HomerJS]

The reason Americans are so adamant about following "an old ass piece of paper" is because it works. It's built the most powerful and wealthiest nation to ever exist. Belief in the words written on that paper is what makes the system work.

How much of that "old ass piece of paper" was followed when it was written?

 

[MrSquished]

How much of that "old ass piece of paper" was followed when it was written?

The Founding Fathers also said "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." in the Declaration of Independence, but the Constitution sure didn't reflect that at all. Let's just say the founding fathers were so fallible it is perfectly correct to question the Constitution 250 years later.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I don't recall saying the constitution was without issues.

"It works just fine" is not compatible with your statement.
Along with the unfortunately "rich" history of systematically enslaving or otherwise disenfranchising minorities

 

[Greenman]

"It works just fine" is not compatible with your statement.
Along with the unfortunately "rich" history of systematically enslaving or otherwise disenfranchising minorities

How many nations have a clean history? How many never invaded another? How many never had injustice, violence, brutality? What nation meets the ideal that you're measuring against?

 

[Fenixgoon]

How many nations have a clean history? How many never invaded another? How many never had injustice, violence, brutality? What nation meets the ideal that you're measuring against?

Now you're moving the goalposts.

You can say "hey, you know what, I was wrong. The Constitution isn't just fine as is because we're obviously not living up to this country's highest ideals. We need to protect the rights of everyone"

 

[HomerJS]

Now you're moving the goalposts.

You can say "hey, you know what, I was wrong. The Constitution isn't just fine as is because we're obviously not living up to this country's highest ideals. We need to protect the rights of everyone"

The one thing we know about this country since its inception it has NEVER protected the rights of everyone.

 

[13Gigatons]

The one thing we know about this country since its inception it has NEVER protected the rights of everyone.

Compared to which other countries ?

The other countries have horrible histories and even current day human rights abuses.

It may shock people that slavery still exist in the world. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-still-have-slavery
Top 10 Countries with the Highest Prevalence of Modern Slavery (by total number of slaves) - Global Slavery Index 2018:

1. India - 7,989,000
2. China - 3,864,000
3. North Korea - 2,640,000
4. Nigeria - 1,386,000
5. Iran - 1,289,000
6. Indonesia - 1,220,000
7. Congo (Democratic Republic of) - 1,045,000
8. Russia - 794,000
9. Philippines - 784,000
10. Afghanistan - 749,000

 

[ch33zw1z]

Compared to which other countries ?

The other countries have horrible histories and even current day human rights abuses.

It may shock people that slavery still exist in the world. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-still-have-slavery
Top 10 Countries with the Highest Prevalence of Modern Slavery (by total number of slaves) - Global Slavery Index 2018:

1. India - 7,989,000
2. China - 3,864,000
3. North Korea - 2,640,000
4. Nigeria - 1,386,000
5. Iran - 1,289,000
6. Indonesia - 1,220,000
7. Congo (Democratic Republic of) - 1,045,000
8. Russia - 794,000
9. Philippines - 784,000
10. Afghanistan - 749,000

That's not good, but how does that absolve us of our own problems?

The thought process you're displaying here is part of how atrocities occur.

"Well so and so did this"

 

[Xcobra]

That's not good, but how does that absolve us of our own problems?

The thought process you're displaying here is part of how atrocities occur.

"Well so and so did this"

Exactly. Frankly, I'm tired of this whataboutism bs. It's a ridiculous cop-out and excuses holding yourself responsible for shit you fuck up.

 

[zinfamous]

The reason Americans are so adamant about following "an old ass piece of paper" is because it works. It's built the most powerful and wealthiest nation to ever exist. Belief in the words written on that paper is what makes the system work.

not really.

decimation of the world's superpowers, pretty much in Europe through WWI and WWII and our escaping pretty much unscathed are the fortuitous events that plunged our heavily isolationist, 2nd tier country of the time into its current position.

That's it, really. Not a fucking "piece of paper"

lol--take yourself seriously for once and explain how this constitution establishes the economy that exists in the last century.

 

[brycejones]

Compared to which other countries ?

The other countries have horrible histories and even current day human rights abuses.

It may shock people that slavery still exist in the world. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-still-have-slavery
Top 10 Countries with the Highest Prevalence of Modern Slavery (by total number of slaves) - Global Slavery Index 2018:

1. India - 7,989,000
2. China - 3,864,000
3. North Korea - 2,640,000
4. Nigeria - 1,386,000
5. Iran - 1,289,000
6. Indonesia - 1,220,000
7. Congo (Democratic Republic of) - 1,045,000
8. Russia - 794,000
9. Philippines - 784,000
10. Afghanistan - 749,000

Well fuck then we shouldn’t try to do better at home.


Seriously fuck off with this kind of whwtaboutism.

 

[Greenman]

Exactly. Frankly, I'm tired of this whataboutism bs. It's a ridiculous cop-out and excuses holding yourself responsible for shit you fuck up.

Comparisons are valid.
Just in case you didn't notice, most of the world has a history of violence and oppression. It's fine that you hate the US for it, but let's not pretend that it's an American invention. People have been murdering each other since the first cave man killed his neighbor because he had a better cave.

You believe that your verbal dissent puts you on the higher moral ground, it doesn't. Condemnation is worthless without action, blame is an easy out because it only costs a shrug.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Comparisons are valid.
Just in case you didn't notice, most of the world has a history of violence and oppression. It's fine that you hate the US for it, but let's not pretend that it's an American invention. People have been murdering each other since the first cave man killed his neighbor because he had a better cave.

You believe that your verbal dissent puts you on the higher moral ground, it doesn't. Condemnation is worthless without action, blame is an easy out because it only costs a shrug.

"It's fine if you hate America for it". Yes, because that's what @HomerJS said

The one thing we know about this country since its inception it has NEVER protected the rights of everyone.

And how @13Gigatons responded

Compared to which other countries ?

The other countries have horrible histories and even current day human rights abuses.

It may shock people that slavery still exist in the world. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-still-have-slavery
Top 10 Countries with the Highest Prevalence of Modern Slavery (by total number of slaves) - Global Slavery Index 2018:

1. India - 7,989,000
2. China - 3,864,000
3. North Korea - 2,640,000
4. Nigeria - 1,386,000
5. Iran - 1,289,000
6. Indonesia - 1,220,000
7. Congo (Democratic Republic of) - 1,045,000
8. Russia - 794,000
9. Philippines - 784,000
10. Afghanistan - 749,000

Challenging your own country to be better doesn't mean you hate it, but I expect nothing more coming from the willfully ignorant member known as Greenman.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Challenging your own country to be better doesn't mean you hate it, but I expect nothing more coming from the willfully ignorant member known as Greenman.

Arguably it's the highest form of patriotism.