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Wreckem

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SMOGZINN said:
Don't discount it so quickly. That is exactly what happened in 1877 when several states turned in two sets of EC votes, each claiming to be the official one, giving the Senate the excuse it needed to form a committee to hand pick which EC votes they wanted to accept and which they wanted to throw out. It very nearly stated a second civil war, only years after the first. In the end the Compromise of 1877 was struck and basically Rutherford B. Hayes became President not because he won the election, but because of closed door horse trading in the Senate.
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Both Chambers have to vote to selected alternate electors. There is not. A majority to do that in either chamber, but even if they could convince the GOP Moderates in the Senate, they still need the House to vote that way. The a house won’t because it’s a Dem majority and the moderate GOPers won’t go along with it either.

So if the Senate votes to toss and the House doesn’t and defaults to the certified electors they were signed off on by the Governor.
 
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pmv

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hal2kilo said:
I guess we should all be lucky?, that Trump is too incompetent to pull off this coup.

Why Donald Trump is failing at making his dictator dreams a reality | Salon.com

Trump’s autocratic designs are disturbingly forthright and blatant. We're lucky he's not better at building power
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Spot-on article. He has all the desires and attitudes of a despot, particularly the kind who would subvert an existing democracy, but is entirely bereft of any of the talents and skills of one. In the face of a figure with the aptitude and cunning of a Hitler, the US system would probably fold like a cheap deck of cards - especially given the current dire state of the Republican Party. Which itself probably reflects deeper social problems in the country as a whole.
 
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hal2kilo

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pmv said:
His tweets are as unhinged as ever.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1338483200046354434
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It's OK Donnie. What ever it takes for you to get to sleep at night. Couldn't possibly be all kinds of other explanations for all of the above, but especially is that Joe just got more Fn votes than you did Donnie boy. Just have a good cry, wipe you tears, and put up a stiff upper lip. Never let em get the best of you. Go home to Mar-a-Lago, and cheat at golf, and admit to yourself, that this was the dumbest move you ever made in life.
 
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hal2kilo said:
It's OK Donnie. What ever it takes for you to get to sleep at night. Couldn't possibly be all kinds of other explanations for all of the above, but especially is that Joe just got more Fn votes than you did Donnie boy. Just have a good cry, wipe you tears, and put up a stiff upper lip. Never let em get the best of you. Go home to Mar-a-Lago, and cheat at golf, and admit to yourself, that this was the dumbest move you ever made if life.
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I mean, I remember bing irritated that Nevada took a break in the middle of (their) night. Because had they not done so Trump's defeat would have been clear that much earlier. Don't make me wait to open my Christmas presents, dammit!

But, grudgingly, I had to accept that (like parents of small children everywhere on Christmas day) the poll workers were so selfish that they put their need to sleep ahead of my need for immediate gratification. But, no, clearly, people needing to sleep at night is in fact just part of the grand conspiracy to deny Trump what's rightfully his.
 
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Trump no longer needs to tweet or push his claims of a stolen election, now Trump has all kinds of enablers in doing that for him. The latest... the hint of alternate electors and I guess that makes sense for them since they created the term alternative facts and they live within an alternate reality. And now on their agenda is Mike Pence. Mike Pence is suppose to refuse his part of accepting the EC results on January 6. So that last shred of hope lies with Mike Pence. This can go two ways, either Pence engages in the final attempts at a coup, or... Mike Pence presides over the process with acceptance of the EC only to then face the full wrath of Trump. In Trump’s world, Mike Pence is the last and final hope to thwart this election and if Pence fails at that Mike had better run away fast as he can before Donald Trump or his cohorts hunt Mike down. Remember Mike, Donald Trump junior has a gun and Trump junior likes to hunt and kill things.
 
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Don't do twitter, but Trump has supposedly tweeted that Barr is leaving. It actually scares me that he's leaving.
 
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hal2kilo said:
Don't do twitter, but Trump has supposedly tweeted that Barr is leaving. It actually scares me that he's leaving.
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TRUE... Now all we need is for Donald Trump to just simply admit this is indeed a coup. And then list everyone in congress that will partake.
 
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sportage said:
TRUE... Now all we need is for Donald Trump to just simply admit this is indeed a coup. And then list everyone in congress that will partake.
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It's a stupid coup, and the 126 or whatever Republican traitors who are collaborating with it have already signed their names with the stupid coup.

They are traitors.
 
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pmv said:
Surely the key point there is that to replicate that would require the participation of the state legislatures. They need to agree to send a rival slate of electors. For Congress to dispute the election effectively those state legislatures have to do their bit, and so far they have not. Seems like that's really the main thing that makes it hard to see a 'legal coup' succeeding. Without that happening I can't see what the Republicans in the Capital can do...though I admit I'm very interested to see what they come up with. Hopefully it will be something farcical.
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there's also...TV and twitter and instant news. Not, a delay of up to 2 to 3 days to really spread information to a population.

lol--imagine what the fuck a complete Nazi like Donald Trump/Bannon/Miller would fucking try if they had 3 days of unseen work that they could depend on.

Holy shit, imagine that.

And that's what the founders talked about in regards to protecting people from sociopaths by handing them the presidency--and why they all of them, to their dying breath, new The Press was the absolute most important, inseparable captsone to a functioning democracy.

You delay/control the information to the people, you get Nazis. You get Emperors, and Stalin and you get Donald fucking Trump.
 
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SMOGZINN said:
Don't discount it so quickly. That is exactly what happened in 1877 when several states turned in two sets of EC votes, each claiming to be the official one, giving the Senate the excuse it needed to form a committee to hand pick which EC votes they wanted to accept and which they wanted to throw out. It very nearly stated a second civil war, only years after the first. In the end the Compromise of 1877 was struck and basically Rutherford B. Hayes became President not because he won the election, but because of closed door horse trading in the Senate.
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And the GOP sold out black southerners to the tender mercies of Jim Crow & the KKK for the next 90 years. The problem with Reconstruction was that the Union Army didn't hang nearly as many traitors as they should have.
 
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Kayleigh MceNany was just on Hannity calling it a coup!! And now Sarah Sanders is talking about it's a cover-up on Hunter Biden. It's so entertaining.
 
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GOP Congressman quits the GOP:

www.cnn.com

Congressman cites Trump's efforts to overturn election in announcing decision to quit GOP

In an exclusive interview, Rep. Paul Mitchell, Republican of Michigan, told CNN that his disgust and disappointment with President Donald Trump's efforts to overturn the results of the election have led him to request that the Clerk of the House change his party affiliation to "independent," and...
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About 1 in 100 of these guys seems to have some kind of spine.
 
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woolfe9998 said:
GOP Congressman quits the GOP:

www.cnn.com

Congressman cites Trump's efforts to overturn election in announcing decision to quit GOP

In an exclusive interview, Rep. Paul Mitchell, Republican of Michigan, told CNN that his disgust and disappointment with President Donald Trump's efforts to overturn the results of the election have led him to request that the Clerk of the House change his party affiliation to "independent," and...
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

About 1 in 100 of these guys seems to have some kind of spine.
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Which they only seem to find when they're packing up their office for retirement
 
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I don’t get it... At this point why doesn’t Donald Trump just simply say what he has wanted to say all along, that he is now our dictator? Donald Trump has exhausted all the legitimate options with all of those having failed, so why doesn’t Donald just pull the string? Just tell America that he isn’t going anywhere and he is now dictator of the United States? That’s what he wants and that is what his base wants and that is what most republicans in congress are waiting for. Donald already has a shit load of republicans on his side, little Lindsey, Ted Cruz, Mitch McConnell, and hundreds more. Surely they would celebrate Donald Trump as dictator. Donald has already replaced people in the pentagon for preparation, already fired anyone he dislikes, and a majority of republican governors would no doubt go along, so why doesn’t Trump just do it? He could promise that everyone will get the vaccine, promise everyone that the economy will rebound better than ever, Trump could promise that government as we know it would no longer be needed. We wouldn’t need Democrats or republicans or a house or senate, all issues would be resolved by loyalists that Donald Trump appoints with Donald Trump having the final say. Donald could do away with most courts including the US Supreme Court. Donald could promise no more Nancy Pelosi’s, no more Chuck Schumer’s, no more black lives matters, no more women’s rights and no more abortions. No more gay marriage and no more CNN or MSNBC. OR, could this in fact be the final plan already? Were the court challenges and the resulting losses just a way to stir up his base for supporting his inevitable, his declaring his dictatorship? I do believe this is the plan, the final act in this insane Donald Trump play. He could get Trump friendly governors to enact martial law, get military leaders to stand by, get his personal military militia like the ALT Right and The Proud Boys to patrol the streets of America. He could probably pull it off, but time is running out because once Joe Biden is sworn in a coup will be much harder for Donald Trump to pull off. So Donald, what are you and your republicans waiting for? Pull the string, just do what you’ve wanted to do all along. You’re already done the hard part, taken over the entire Republican Party and minimized all of our great institutions, the rest should be easy.
 
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