2019 dem primary debates

[dank69]

Tulsi at least slapped Tim Ryan down regarding Afghanistan.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Definitely looking forward to see how Biden will survive in this more progressive atmosphere. Will he be able to think on his feet and articulate well on the fly or go off the rails with Old White Man syndrome kicking in.

 

[Greenman]

Ok somebody explain this one, how does a trans woman have an abortion? If I turn into a woman have we progressed to where they are inserting a uterus in me too..? I’m all for protecting abortion rights but I don’t get his comment about trans women getting one.

It was just an unthinking toss off. The fellow needed to get trans rights out there, and they don't have a lot of time.
As a platform to run on, transsexual abortion rights probably isn't going to get him through the primaries.

 

[hal2kilo]

Ok, show of hands...be honest here...

Who here had never seen Tim Ryan before this debate???

/me raises hand

I totally called Castro coming out strong—did even better than I expected. Really surprised to see Beto struggle tonight. Didn’t really care for Ryan or Inslee, Delaney had a few good points but turned into a loudmouth. Gabbard seemed to be reading off a script—it was weird. Warren, Booker and Klobuchar did pretty good.

Something really odd the way Gabbard talks. Strange cadince, something.

 

[hal2kilo]

This is going to come as a shock but simply crossing the southern border is not a criminal act. People have a legal right to cross the border, find a border agent and request asylum. This is just as legal as going to an American embassy and obtaining a visa with intent to become a citizen although the processes are wildly different of course.

It’s only illegal if they sneak into the country and stay. Just like it’s illegal to overstay a visa.

Finally studies have shown that the economic benefit to the country of undocumented immigrants coupled with the taxes they cannot avoid is much higher than the services they consume because by and large they can’t access nearly as many services as a citizen can.

There is no need for this border crisis. Hold the immigrants for the time it takes to assess who they are, their immediate plans for where they will be staying and given them a time and place for an immigration/asylum hearing. The studies I remember suggest over 90% will show up. No need to hold them in concentration camps.

It’s not easy but it’s nothing a competent administration couldn’t handle.

Nevermind, I see you had the 90% return rate in your post. So called catch and release.

 

[hal2kilo]

You're right. If they still charge for insurance, no matter how much cheaper and better the public insurance may be, some people will still not be able to afford it and so some will remain without coverage. But it's a vast improvement over what we have now.

Even more important was the remainder of my point, that the end result will be the same. A public option will put private insurance out of business. Single payer will follow. If you can pay say $350/month for Medicare which has no yearly deductible or get a "bronze" plan from a private carrier that costs $650 a month and makes you pay the first $7,500 of your medical bills every year, which would you choose? Would anyone in their right mind ever buy the private insurance?

Only about 40% of the public supports full single payer right now because they want options, choices. But when there's only once choice left in the market, taking the next step which is raising taxes to have the state pay for it will be an easy decision. Everyone will already be on Medicare because there won't be anything else.

The public option is just way more politically feasible right now and will ultimately achieve the same result. If the public says they don't want policy x but they do want policy y, and giving them policy y will inevitably result in policy x anyway, it seems an easy choice to me.

Starting a Medicare Advantage Plan next month. Very reasonable. ($84 a month) Plus I pay an extra $54 a month for a dental plan. Keep in mind A and B are being taken out of my SS with an extra bonus cause I make so much money, only made the first tier though. That's the famous doughnut whole. I diverge.

 

[nakedfrog]

It is really nothing to get worked up or care about. Maybe someday we will get to that point where they can put a uterus in you. And if we do, you'd be protected. The crap the right loves to latch on when it involves full inclusion. Oh right...the right doesn't like inclusion. My bad.

The medical field is indeed working on uterine transplants, albeit with limited success overall, with I believe the first documented successful delivery in 2017 (not trans though, still a cisgender woman).

 

[woolfe9998]

Were in a world where they literally call them whatever it is they want to be called regardless of what the facts are. It makes sense that it leaks over into irrational and into "Well, if anyone can be a woman - then anyone can be pregnant as well".

It's that silly now. Some of the left have remained sane - and don't make stupid statements like that (such as Buttigieg)... and others fell off the side and into looney toons territory.

Nah, I thought the same thing as UC when I first heard the comment, but my wife said he probably meant an FtM trans. Which interestingly wasn't very PC of Castro, to refer to an FtM as a "woman" but I think he slipped there.

 

[vi edit]

Something really odd the way Gabbard talks. Strange cadince, something.

I think some of that may be her island upbringing. I have a friend that spent most of his life on Hawaii and hung out with a lot of native islanders. He's got a similar and odd cadence to his dialect.

Another interesting tidbit on Gabbard. I drove down to Myrtle Beach, SC last week. The last 90 minutes to get into the beach is a 2 lane 50-60MPH highway that has your undivided attention. I saw two billboards for Gabbard 2020 there.

It's interesting for a couple reasons.
1) She's the first real 2020 candidate that I've seen marketed in that way
2) It's a pretty red state
3) There are 10's of thousands of eyes that see those signs each week from all parts of the country.

It definitely caught my attention.

 

[woolfe9998]

Definitely looking forward to see how Biden will survive in this more progressive atmosphere. Will he be able to think on his feet and articulate well on the fly or go off the rails with Old White Man syndrome kicking in.

Yup, it's Biden's debate to lose. Given his position as the de facto front runner and default placeholder candidate right now he probably wishes he didn't have to even attend. It'll be interesting to see if he blows it or not.

 

[Indus]

Yup, it's Biden's debate to lose. Given his position as the de facto front runner and default placeholder candidate right now he probably wishes he didn't have to even attend. It'll be interesting to see if he blows it or not.

There is something about history for the dem frontrunners..

Carter, Clinton, Obama weren't front runners and yet they won it all.

Hillary, Kerry, Gore were frontrunners and you know how that worked out.

 

[UNCjigga]

Something really odd the way Gabbard talks. Strange cadince, something.

Yeah, I kept thinking “fembot” whenever she answered.

 

[balloonshark]

Let me ask you all a question. Forget about who can beat Trump for a minute. Which of the candidates would genuinely fight for the majority of Americans and not just their top donors?

 

[nakedfrog]

Yup, it's Biden's debate to lose. Given his position as the de facto front runner and default placeholder candidate right now he probably wishes he didn't have to even attend. It'll be interesting to see if he blows it or not.

Gives me something to hope for.

 

[vi edit]

Let me ask you all a question. Forget about who can beat Trump for a minute. Which of the candidates would genuinely fight for the majority of Americans and not just their top donors?

Gut answer is Warren.

 

[balloonshark]

Gut answer is Warren.

I've been thinking the same thing. At first I thought she would get destroyed by Trump but dammit I want someone in there fighting for us normal folk. She might also have a few extreme idea but when you start so far left and then compromise you end up at a better place than when you start in the middle.

 

[Indus]

Let me ask you all a question. Forget about who can beat Trump for a minute. Which of the candidates would genuinely fight for the majority of Americans and not just their top donors?

Warren, Booty, Harris, Yang imo

 

[Mandres]

I like Andrew Yang. I hope he does well tonight - I feel like many people have never heard of him or listened to his ideas.

 

[brandonbull]

Your bigotry causes you to be short sighted and unable to recognize how our foreign policy has/is used to stabilize/destabilize regions across the world. When you address the root cause of this migration, the costs become insignificant compared to the costs of dealing with the affects of this migration.

Your bigotry also prevents you from seeing that immigration is and has always been a net positive to this country and is one of its greatest strengths.

Are we talking about controlled legal immigration or uncontrolled flow of illegal aliens?

 

[ivwshane]

Are we talking about controlled legal immigration or uncontrolled flow of illegal aliens?

They are one in the same.

If you don't address the root cause of immigration people will still attempt to immigrate. If you think you can simply slow the flow of legal immigration you will get an increase in illegal immigration.

Trump is not only not addressing the root cause but he's exacerbating it and his restricting of legal immigration is simply making illegal immigration the only other option.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I like Andrew Yang. I hope he does well tonight - I feel like many people have never heard of him or listened to his ideas.

Definitely has interesting ideas. They seem more *thought out than most of the other candidates.

Edit: autocorrect. Changed bought to thought

 

[ivwshane]

Definitely has interesting ideas. They seem more bought out than most of the other candidates.

Have you heard of the term "confirmation bias"?

You'd be doing everyone a favor if you looked into that and accounted for that with every thread and post you make.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Have you heard of the term "confirmation bias"?

You'd be doing everyone a favor if you looked into that and accounted for that with every thread and post you make.

Because I like Andrew Yang?

 

[ivwshane]

Because I like Andrew Yang?

Don't worry about it, its too advanced for you anyway.

 

[BoomerD]

NBC declares...Donald Trump the winner of the first Democratic debate...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/donald-trump-winner-of-first-democratic-debate.amp