2018 and 2022 world cup locations announced.

[PokerGuy]

2018 and 2022 World Cups to be held in Russia and Qatar..... US and England were in the final running but lost out.

I don't mind seeing the World Cup in new places (loved seeing it in South Africa), but putting the world cup in a place where afternoon temperatures will routinely reach 120 degrees Fahrenheit seems absurd. Teams from countries with moderate climates will have no chance whatsoever, right from the get-go.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/m...ussa_to_host_2018_soccer_tourna.html?r=sports

 

[Slick5150]

Yeah, the Russia over England pick? Fine, I get it. But Qatar??? Quite obvious some/all of the voters got a kickback on that one.

Though I'd say there's about a 50/50 chance it becomes painfully obvious within the next few years that they're not going to be able to pull this thing off and FIFA yanks it from them and awards it to the USA anyway.

 

[Vette73]

Yea; Russia is a good pick IMO.

But Qatar? Really?

 

[Scotteq]

I made up a rumor just now that the World Cup officials were upset at the United States over having their private parts handled at the airport.








...apparently we didn't have the decency to wait until they got to their Hotels.

 

[Martin]

Yeah, I don't know how they thought Qatar would be a good idea. They have one city where you can't go outside in the summer because of the heat.

 

[PokerGuy]

The only way I could see Qatar being even remotely feasible is if they build domed stadiums where the games will be held. There's no way players are going to handle playing in 120 degrees in the middle of the day, and the overall level of play will suffer.

 

[CycloWizard]

While I don't think it was necessarily a great choice, the weather in Qatar will not be as big a factor as everyone thinks. Teams usually arrive a month in advance for the World Cup, which will give them plenty of time to acclimate to the temperatures. Acclimation can usually be achieved in about 10 days if you do it right. I'm sure that Qatar was picked to continue the trend of hosting in regions which have never hosted before rather than based on the merit of their proposal. In any case, if things fall apart, the WC will probably be brought to the US at the last minute, as was the plan for the 2010 WC if racial tensions in South Africa were still out of hand.

Russia may be a worse choice, or it might be a stepping stone for improvements in Russia if they play their cards right. The biggest strike against their bid was the obvious vast distances between sites, compounded by a lack of transportation infrastructure. If Russia can improve their infrastructure to a sufficient degree, they will definitely come out ahead in the final analysis.

 

[PokerGuy]

Acclamation or not, there's no way you can go at full speed at 120 degrees, your body is simply not used to it. When it's that hot, it can be very dangerous to be running like that for hours, 10 day acclimation will not solve that.

 

[JSt0rm]

This is bush's fault

 

[CycloWizard]

Acclamation or not, there's no way you can go at full speed at 120 degrees, your body is simply not used to it. When it's that hot, it can be very dangerous to be running like that for hours, 10 day acclimation will not solve that.

Are you an expert or just stating ignorant speculation as fact? My money is on the latter.

Acclimation is the process by which your body adjusts to environmental factors, such as temperature or altitude. And yes, your body can acclimate to high (and low) temperatures pretty quickly.

Example #1 - a paper stating that training in these conditions is safe even during the transient period.

Example #2 - a paper discussing just how long it takes to acclimate and lose that acclimation.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your opinions.

 

[yllus]

I wonder what they're going to do about serving alcohol at the actual events? Also, the "hot female fan" photo selection is going to suffer severely that year.

 

[juiio]

The weather won't be an issue because all the stadiums will be air conditioned.

The infrastructure of Qatar can't support the tourney, though. Qatar is smaller than the state of Connecticut. It has a population of 1.7 million, 85% of which live in one of two cities. Sounds like the perfect place to host an event that had a total attendance of 3.18 million in 2010...

 

[PokerGuy]

Are you an expert or just stating ignorant speculation as fact? My money is on the latter.

Acclimation is the process by which your body adjusts to environmental factors, such as temperature or altitude. And yes, your body can acclimate to high (and low) temperatures pretty quickly.

Example #1 - a paper stating that training in these conditions is safe even during the transient period.

Example #2 - a paper discussing just how long it takes to acclimate and lose that acclimation.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your opinions.

1) No need to be a jackass.
2) See #1
3) The links provide some good info, thanks. They provide some info about acclimating and training, but that doesn't say anything about whether peak performance is affected or not. I'm not an expert on the matter, but I'd think peak performance would be impacted.

Either way, the point is moot because apparently Qatar has committed to make all the stadiums air conditioned (training facilities will also be air conditioned), so that's a good thing.

I think it's going to be hard for a country of 1.7 million to host an event where you could see 3.5 million fans attend. There's no way you can have the infrastructure available to support 3-5 million people in a country with 1.7 million inhabitants.

On the flip side, I do like seeing the cup held in new and different places, it's really a world game.

 

[PokerGuy]

Another issue with Qatar is their cultural environment. It's not Saudi or Iran, but it's certainly not exactly friendly to women/gays/alcohol drinking fans. I don't know much about Qatar though, I'm sure we'll learn lots more about it in coming years.

 

[Scotteq]

Another issue with Qatar is their cultural environment. It's not Saudi or Iran, but it's certainly not exactly friendly to women/gays/alcohol drinking fans. I don't know much about Qatar though, I'm sure we'll learn lots more about it in coming years.

One of the worst places in the world to drink, apparently:

http://backpackingaddictz.com/tag/drinking-laws-in-muslim-countries/

 

[ayabe]

The only way I could see Qatar being even remotely feasible is if they build domed stadiums where the games will be held. There's no way players are going to handle playing in 120 degrees in the middle of the day, and the overall level of play will suffer.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing, either that or they'll devise some sort of air-conditioning that runs on the blood of migrant workers who'll be building the facilities.

 

[xj0hnx]

1) No need to be a jackass.
2) See #1
3) The links provide some good info, thanks. They provide some info about acclimating and training, but that doesn't say anything about whether peak performance is affected or not. I'm not an expert on the matter, but I'd think peak performance would be impacted.

Either way, the point is moot because apparently Qatar has committed to make all the stadiums air conditioned (training facilities will also be air conditioned), so that's a good thing.

I think it's going to be hard for a country of 1.7 million to host an event where you could see 3.5 million fans attend. There's no way you can have the infrastructure available to support 3-5 million people in a country with 1.7 million inhabitants.

On the flip side, I do like seeing the cup held in new and different places, it's really a world game.

I think they will be fine. I went from Germany to Iraq, and was surprised how quick I got used to carrying 120lbs worth of shit for hours with it being 115-125. My concerns would echo some of those about the infrastructure, and how it pans out culturally. I was there for a couple weeks on R&R ...I don't see it happening.

 

[theeedude]

If they held football world cup in the US, teabaggers would show up wearing cheese-heads.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Hell this is just the start . The house will pass bill after bill that Americans want in the Full knowledge that it won't get by the senate. This will all the Rep to completely replace the dems in 2012 elections as the Rep will campaign on what they tried to do for Americans but the evil Dems blocked. This is 2 years of getting nothing done other than replacing ignorant Dems with ignorant Rep in 2012 , Well ignorant wasn't correct word to use . The correct word is felons.

 

[Scotteq]

Hell this is just the start . The house will pass bill after bill that Americans want in the Full knowledge that it won't get by the senate. This will all the Rep to completely replace the dems in 2012 elections as the Rep will campaign on what they tried to do for Americans but the evil Dems blocked. This is 2 years of getting nothing done other than replacing ignorant Dems with ignorant Rep in 2012 , Well ignorant wasn't correct word to use . The correct word is felons.

We're going to legislate Soccer now? :hmm:

 

[Infohawk]

Both countries are energy rich with the money to shove into sports stadiums. But Qatar? Really? What are they going to build dozens of stadiums next to each other?

 

[CycloWizard]

1) No need to be a jackass.
2) See #1
3) The links provide some good info, thanks. They provide some info about acclimating and training, but that doesn't say anything about whether peak performance is affected or not. I'm not an expert on the matter, but I'd think peak performance would be impacted.

I'm not being a jackass. I'm calling you what you are - someone who is ignorant, yet states his opinion as fact. If you don't know whether or not you're right, why do you assume that you are? I do know, yet you told me I'm wrong. Explain how this makes me the jackass in this situation.

 

[PokerGuy]

I'm not being a jackass. I'm calling you what you are - someone who is ignorant, yet states his opinion as fact. If you don't know whether or not you're right, why do you assume that you are? I do know, yet you told me I'm wrong. Explain how this makes me the jackass in this situation.

You didn't present anything that factually proves that the performance of top elite athletes is unchanged under the heat conditions in Qatar over a series of 90 minute spans. You presented links to some good information that may or may not apply to those athletes in that particular situation. Instead of simply presenting it as "hey, here's some research data that could apply here" (which would have been good and helpful), you present it with needless personal insults. So yes, you've shown yourself to be a jackass. I can only hope that in the real world you're less of a douche.

Now back to the thread topic itself. With all games played in domes the weather is not an issue. It will be interesting to see how the cultural aspects / restrictions play into hosting the biggest sporting event in the world.

The Russia pick seems a little better suited than Qatar. I know FIFA is trying to reach out to new areas and such, but the US is also a vast (relatively) untapped market for soccer growth, one that brings a lot more money to the table (according to estimates done by FIFA itself).

 

[PokerGuy]

Both countries are energy rich with the money to shove into sports stadiums. But Qatar? Really? What are they going to build dozens of stadiums next to each other?

Yep, that's pretty much the plan, all stadiums within an hour or so from each other. That's actually pretty convenient.

 

[CycloWizard]

You didn't present anything that factually proves that the performance of top elite athletes is unchanged under the heat conditions in Qatar over a series of 90 minute spans. You presented links to some good information that may or may not apply to those athletes in that particular situation. Instead of simply presenting it as "hey, here's some research data that could apply here" (which would have been good and helpful), you present it with needless personal insults. So yes, you've shown yourself to be a jackass. I can only hope that in the real world you're less of a douche.

I stated a scientific fact. You said, unequivocally, that I was wrong. I posted two articles showing that I was actually correct, in addition to pointing out that you were ignorant (which, by definition, you were). You misinterpret the facts, presumably again because you don't understand what the articles say, don't understand much about biomechanics or physiology, or because you're too stubborn to admit you're wrong. Either way, the bottom line is that you were wrong, contradicted fact as though you knew something about the subject, and are more than happy to call anyone a jackass who corrects you. I think it's clear to everyone (except you, perhaps) who the jackass is at this point.