2015 NFL draft and offseason thread: How will the Browns screw up this year?

[smackababy]

Yup, the win by the luck

Yep, the Luck. The Andrew Luck.

 

[SSSnail]

The Chiefs wouldn't make the playoffs in the AFC South either. They'd be one step up on Houston if they're lucky. I mean, speaking of curb stomped, the Chiefs were curb stomped by the Titans last year. The same Titans who are picking second overall this year, if I remember.

That was an accident. At least they beat both super bowl teams, curb stomped one of them. By all accounts, the Chiefs won the super bowl this year. #moralvictory

 

[TangoJuliet]

Murray, Mathews and Sproles in Philly? That's a lot of mouths to feed the ball to.

Anyone tell chip that he's not playing fantasy football? That's a pretty good RB1, RB2 and flex

 

[lupi]

colts cut richardson.

 

[vi edit]

Anyone tell chip that he's not playing fantasy football? That's a pretty good RB1, RB2 and flex

LOL. Explains why he had to settle for a mediocre QB. He reached in the early rounds.

 

[manimal]

LOL. Explains why he had to settle for a mediocre QB. He reached in the early rounds.

I think its crazy smart to have two number 1s. They can run a two back set occasionally since both guys catch the ball well and clear out the safeties. if they lose one guy to a minor injury they can offload those carries and always have a power game going. They can also take it easy on Demarco early in the season since hes coming off so many carries.


For what they were gonna pay shady they get two RBs and a starting outside lb on nice rookie contract.


I think hes really working his roster in a smart way. Put your money in corners and defence and keep plugging in guys on offense. I bet they draft two receivers.



Mariottas pro day was mediocre. not Teddy bad but not crisp. he missed on six passes. Couple were ducks. Not in a good way.



With the defensive talent I dont see him going before number six at this point.



Pot roast came in heavy and scared off a couple teams. Crazy he signed for 4 million in 1 year. Prove it deal if I ever saw one. Same contract BJ raji got last year.

 

[darkswordsman17]

I'm still deciding if you're fozzy or saint_chief, but no dude, by the third quarter the Chiefs were out of offensive weapons, what little they had to begin with. And don't forget that sideline almost inbound catch by I-didn't-want-to-injure-my-foot Bowe.

No they weren't (I do love how you discount Smith as an offensive weapon though) although if anything that argument actually further helps my point. Why was Reid passing so much with a 38-10 lead? Like I said he sucks at managing games and gave the Colts the clock they needed to make the comeback by keeping Alex throwing like an idiot. And then of course Alex's inability to convert TDs and 3rd downs is what ultimately did them in. He also totally overthrew a wide open running back for what would've been a TD too. But yeah Bowe's 150 yards was all because of Alex (that 63 yard crossing route he used to pull off regularly with Matt Cassel and yet we saw it what maybe twice in 2 seasons?). Nevermind that Bowe was played well by the DB on that play. And let's not forget that those 2 and a half quarters were by far the best Smith has played for the Chiefs. It's not even close either. Hell pretty much anyone that had been watching Smith at all was in outright disbelief over his play in that game. Well until the 4th quarter, when the team needed him the most and then we saw the same player we'd been seeing for years.

Plus, you really think Luck had better weapons that game? Bowe was playing as well as Hilton and the Chiefs supporting cast even with the injuries was comparable to the Colts. The outcome of that game is simple: baller QBs find ways to win games, and mediocre ones don't. It wasn't all Smith's fault, but he absolutely had a hand in their failure.

I knew your investigative skills would be as bad as your football analyzation. I already told you I don't even post on whatever Chiefs board(s) you do where you're obviously just regurgitating knowledge of the team from. Definitely seems to be homer ones that are full of idiots that celebrate things like drafting Eric Fisher. Hell I haven't even posted on the one that I did regularly visit for like 2 years now because specific boards in general are often terrible (definitely are for sports teams), and the mix of Alex Smith killing my interest in the team and his fans being insufferable idiots has made me not bother.

It's 2 years in and things are going pretty much exactly as I predicted. This is the 90s bullshit all over again. Very good (sometimes great) defense wasted on mediocre castoff (and often 49ers for some inexplicable reason) QBs. Yay they're competitive and still don't win jack shit that matters. No one but Chiefs fans remembers them stomping the Pats or beating the Seahawks, they remember the Seahawks and Patriots playing in the Super Bowl.

Weren't you also one of the people going off about the lack of respect for the Chiefs after stomping the Pats and how everything focused on how bad the Pats played? Season's over and it's clear why that's the case. Like I explained to you from the start, I've seen this shit for decades now. Only the fool keeps making the same mistakes and expecting different outcomes.

 

[SSSnail]

BECAUSE HE RAN OUT OF RUNNING BACKS!!!!


You really have a bad habit of typing a lot of meaningless shit, quit it.

Edit: I really don't have time to address all the wrong that are in that diatribe you call your football knowledge, or lack thereof.

Just so you know, you're a freaking idiot if you think Alex overthrew that third string RB. He stopped running his route on a timing route and when the RB realized where he needed to be, he tried to catch up but too late. Anyways, that's just an example of how much shit you don't know, but you think you do.

 

[akugami]

Eagles overpaid for Murray. I priced him in about the 7 to 7.5 mil range. I woulda been ok with that but then whats the deal with also having Mathews? Shoulda just kept Shady and sign Mathews. And the whole damn press conference by Murray was a love fest for the Cowboys.

Foles for Bradford. I'm not feeling it. Foles really dropped back down to earth last year and Bradford has a cannon for an arm but I've never really liked Bradford as a QB. Maybe Bradford will mature and get really good. Or, more likely, maybe the Rams snookered the Eagles. If this was a more even trade with the Eagles giving up maybe a couple mid-rounders I'd be OK but the price seemed steep for a QB that had 1 good year and wasn't that good since.

WHAT THE HELL is going to happen to the Eagles O-line? You've got a QB with bad wheels and the O-line is being torn apart? I'm not happy with Herremans being gone. I think they shoulda signed him for 2 more years while they draft some young players to replace their aging lineman. Mathews...Peters...Herremans...all aging lineman. I think Herremans and Peters got 2 to 3 good years left but they need to draft help now.

And is anyone scared of the Eagles WR corps? I don't know if it's Andy Reid or Chip Kelley still calling the shots cause neither seems to give a crap about the WR position.

Eagles still need a secondary. I know they signed Maxwell but still need a lot of secondary help.

 

[Perknose]

Eagles overpaid for Murray. I priced him in about the 7 to 7.5 mil range. I woulda been ok with that but then whats the deal with also having Mathews? Shoulda just kept Shady and sign Mathews. And the whole damn press conference by Murray was a love fest for the Cowboys.

Well . . . if you buy in to Chip wanting more of a North-South runner, then it makes some sort of sense to have a Mathews/Murray tandem as a hedge against overuse and injury. Hey! I said some sort of sense! <shrug>

Foles for Bradford. I'm not feeling it. Foles really dropped back down to earth last year and Bradford has a cannon for an arm but I've never really liked Bradford as a QB. Maybe Bradford will mature and get really good. Or, more likely, maybe the Rams snookered the Eagles. If this was a more even trade with the Eagles giving up maybe a couple mid-rounders I'd be OK but the price seemed steep for a QB that had 1 good year and wasn't that good since.

They were never going deep into the post season with Foles, imho. So, injury history aside, Bradford does have more upside. I do agree they overpaid for him, but sometimes you have to strike before another team pounces. All the interlocking parts of Chip's many moves made this even more necessary. Chip did say he was already offered a first rounder for Bradford from another team. He wouldn't lie to us, now would he?

WHAT THE HELL is going to happen to the Eagles O-line? You've got a QB with bad wheels and the O-line is being torn apart? I'm not happy with Herremans being gone. I think they shoulda signed him for 2 more years while they draft some young players to replace their aging lineman. Mathews...Peters...Herremans...all aging lineman. I think Herremans and Peters got 2 to 3 good years left but they need to draft help now.

100% agreed. I've seen reports they're also shopping Evan Mathis.

And is anyone scared of the Eagles WR corps? I don't know if it's Andy Reid or Chip Kelley still calling the shots cause neither seems to give a crap about the WR position.

I am.

Eagles still need a secondary. I know they signed Maxwell but still need a lot of secondary help.

Yes, yes . . . yes they do. [/QUOTE]

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I think they shoulda signed him for 2 more years while they draft some young players to replace their aging lineman. Mathews...Peters...Herremans...all aging lineman. I think Herremans and Peters got 2 to 3 good years left but they need to draft help now.

You may have missed it, but Herremans signed with the Colts.

 

[Perknose]

You may have missed it, but Herremans signed with the Colts.

Good get for the Colts, imho.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

That was an accident. At least they beat both super bowl teams, curb stomped one of them. By all accounts, the Chiefs won the super bowl this year. #moralvictory

And the Colts beat both the Seahawks and Broncos in 2013 (in addition to the Chiefs in the playoffs)......

 

[glenn1]

colts cut richardson.

Least surprising news ever to close the books on the worst trade in at least the last decade or so. Still don't think Gore is a full-fledged RB1 at this point so I'm wondering who else the Colts are going to sign unless they're going to rely on Ballard's ACL not to explode for a 3rd time or think that Boom Herron can be effective enough paired with Gore to effectively make a complete RB1.

 

[smackababy]

Least surprising news ever to close the books on the worst trade in at least the last decade or so. Still don't think Gore is a full-fledged RB1 at this point so I'm wondering who else the Colts are going to sign unless they're going to rely on Ballard's ACL not to explode for a 3rd time or think that Boom Herron can be effective enough paired with Gore to effectively make a complete RB1.

How is Gore not a full-fledge RB1? He has over 1000 yards in every season he's played, except his rookie and an 11 game season. Gore is certainly the best RB to be on the Colts in a long time.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I'd like to see them resign Bradshaw with an incentive-laden, low-base contract but I doubt that will happen.

 

[Perknose]

How is Gore not a full-fledge RB1? He has over 1000 yards in every season he's played, except his rookie and an 11 game season. Gore is certainly the best RB to be on the Colts in a long time.

Agreed. I wish he'd signed with the Eagles, thus freeing them from using all that cap space that should have gone to the defense on Murray.

This is what you get when you (Chip) think you are smarter than everyone else in a league full of smart and far more experienced NFL front office guys.

Hey! Maybe Chips excellent nutrition scheme prevents ACL tears and it'll all work out.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

It's 2 years in and things are going pretty much exactly as I predicted. This is the 90s bullshit all over again. Very good (sometimes great) defense wasted on mediocre castoff (and often 49ers for some inexplicable reason) QBs. Yay they're competitive and still don't win jack shit that matters. No one but Chiefs fans remembers them stomping the Pats or beating the Seahawks, they remember the Seahawks and Patriots playing in the Super Bowl.

SSSnail was probably a huge fan of Bono and Grbac.

 

[glenn1]

How is Gore not a full-fledge RB1? He has over 1000 yards in every season he's played, except his rookie and an 11 game season. Gore is certainly the best RB to be on the Colts in a long time.

Because of his age and wear, not ability. He's 31 and has logged just under 2,500 NFL carries. Even if you think he's still RB1 now, with a 3 year contract do you still expect him to carry 225-250 times a season for the next 3 years? Unless he has unique Jerry Rice style longevity you're going to need to have to ease back on the carries for him to last. I'd say unless you want to run him into the ground the Colts should aim for 150 carries per season out of him, which is why I'm saying it's hard to call him a full fledged RB1 as at 4.5 YPC that would only give him 675 yards for the season.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Because of his age and wear, not ability. He's 31 and has logged just under 2,500 NFL carries. Even if you think he's still RB1 now, with a 3 year contract do you still expect him to carry 225-250 times a season for the next 3 years? Unless he has unique Jerry Rice style longevity you're going to need to have to ease back on the carries for him to last. I'd say unless you want to run him into the ground the Colts should aim for 150 carries per season out of him, which is why I'm saying it's hard to call him a full fledged RB1 as at 4.5 YPC that would only give him 650 yards for the season.

I believe the Colts will attempt to draft a running back early in the draft and maybe another in a later round if a decent one is left. They've let Richardson and Hill go, will likely let Bradshaw walk, and with Ballard's repeat injuries, they only can really count on Gore, Herron, and Tipton right now.

 

[smackababy]

Because of his age and wear, not ability. He's 31 and has logged just under 2,500 NFL carries. Even if you think he's still RB1 now, with a 3 year contract do you still expect him to carry 225-250 times a season for the next 3 years? Unless he has unique Jerry Rice style longevity you're going to need to have to ease back on the carries for him to last. I'd say unless you want to run him into the ground the Colts should aim for 150 carries per season out of him, which is why I'm saying it's hard to call him a full fledged RB1 as at 4.5 YPC that would only give him 675 yards for the season.

I think Gore has at least one season left of full duty. If the Colts were smart (and this is a stretch), they would do well to draft a RB early and give him some experience so they can split with Gore next season.

 

[glenn1]

I believe the Colts will attempt to draft a running back early in the draft and maybe another in a later round if a decent one is left. They've let Richardson and Hill go, will likely let Bradshaw walk, and with Ballard's repeat injuries, they only can really count on Gore, Herron, and Tipton right now.

Who do you think they would target? Jay Ayaji might be a realistic choice but they'd probably have to spend a 2nd on him. Jeremy Langford might be a good fit for them in the 3rd or 4th. Tevin Coleman would be amazing paired with Gore but again might cost too much for the Colts.

 

[zinfamous]

Least surprising news ever to close the books on the worst trade in at least the last decade or so. Still don't think Gore is a full-fledged RB1 at this point so I'm wondering who else the Colts are going to sign unless they're going to rely on Ballard's ACL not to explode for a 3rd time or think that Boom Herron can be effective enough paired with Gore to effectively make a complete RB1.

most baffling comment in this thread....

 

[Perknose]

most baffling comment in this thread....

I'm assuming you have SSSnail on ignore.

 

[manimal]

most baffling comment in this thread....

someone didnt watch ANY games Gore has played me thinks.....


Gore is still top 5 rb in the league. His work between the tackles should not be discounted. Guy is a top flight talent AND a character guy.


Win win for the colts.


I bet he runs fo 1200 plus yards this year. Colts need to keep Bradshaw as well though I see them taking a rb in the draft as well.



In this draft the rbs are so good and the recievers are so good that I would consider taking two of each in the mid rounds if I were the colts. Take a rb in the 3 and 5th and a wr in the 2nd and 4th.


Colts added a bunch of vets that are the best at keeping their bodies and minds right and the colts need to use them to train the youngins up.



T rich better not get a contract. Guys like that Shouldnt have a place in the NFL. Guy is the worst kind of player. Selfish and always thinks its every one else that has the problem.