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2015 NFL draft and offseason thread: How will the Browns screw up this year?

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Who will be the 1.01 selection of the 2015 NFL Draft?

  • QB Jameis Winston, Florida State

  • DE Randy Gregory, Nebraska

  • DT Leonard Williams, USC

  • WR Amari Cooper, Alabama

  • QB Marcus Mariotta, Oregon

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Wow, Marques Colston is reported to be taking a HUGE pay cut to stay with the Saints. Salary is going from 6.9 million to 1.44 million this season and from 7.7 million to 2.65 million next season.
 
The Bradford trade actually might work out. All Bradford needs is a solid O-Line, which Philly arguably has (presuming it's healthy).

On the other hand, if Chip is trying to place together something for trades to land Mariotta, whelp... he just done fucked up. Foles would be worth more than the damaged goods and cap hit that Bradford is any day right now. I think the Rams just positioned themselves to pick up a new rookie QB via draft day trades.
 
Capt Caveman said:
Where did I say $30m in cap space?
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Capt Caveman said:
Why free up over $30m and not used it on anyone.
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What did you mean by that?

Capt Caveman said:
NE could have worked salary around and picked-up both options for Revis and Browner and they'd be just as good as last year.
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And they couldn't have kept Browner and signed Revis and still be under the Cap. That is the reason they tried to renegotiate Browner's contract and didn't pay him the roster bonus. The point was mute as I don't think the PAts were paying 16 million a year for 3 years and I don't think they had the Cap space to pay that.
 
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Again this is NOT going to happen. There is nothing behind these rumors
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I don't think he's going anywhere either, but if they're rebuilding, it makes sense. Perhaps they're going to a run-heavy offense since they've traded for O-line help, and resigned Ingram. You don't trade away the second best TE in the NFL for nothing.
 
SunnyD said:
The Bradford trade actually might work out. All Bradford needs is a solid O-Line, which Philly arguably has (presuming it's healthy).

On the other hand, if Chip is trying to place together something for trades to land Mariotta, whelp... he just done fucked up. Foles would be worth more than the damaged goods and cap hit that Bradford is any day right now. I think the Rams just positioned themselves to pick up a new rookie QB via draft day trades.
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Oh yeah, if Bradford can stay healthy, I think he is a good QB. The issue is that with his injury track record, it is a HUGE gamble. I can't believe Chip would trade for Bradford with the intention of dealing him to move up in the draft; as you say, I think Foles would've gotten him more in trade.
 
IndyColtsFan said:
Oh yeah, if Bradford can stay healthy, I think he is a good QB. The issue is that with his injury track record, it is a HUGE gamble. I can't believe Chip would trade for Bradford with the intention of dealing him to move up in the draft; as you say, I think Foles would've gotten him more in trade.
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Only way I can see Bradford making sense is if another team said no to Foles but said if you had... and Bradford was something someone wanted.

Also coming out Foles is very happy to be out of Philly. So maybe there was something behind the scenes going on there as well?
 
emperus said:
Yeah, a fast decline. 🙂 I'm not even sure what the Browner release was all about. His contract wasn't that high. I'll just assume Belichick knows what he is doing. We have some decent talent at CB. No clear #1 though.
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The Pat's apparently were done negotiating for Revis on Monday, which is when they told Browner that they basically weren't picking him up either. Browner is not a #1 corner. He's not good on a team unless they have a lock down #1 corner. He excels at brawling on the line against the bigger receivers but he requires safety help over the top. He's slow and can't keep up with many receivers going downfield. You can't afford that on both sides of the field without becoming entirely too predictable. With Revis, you manned him up and had a safety help Browner and your 2nd safety was flexible.

It's disappointing for sure. Pat's apparently wouldn't go higher than $35M guaranteed. They threw money at McCourty who everyone will agree is not deserving of the kind of money he received. He's not a big play safety like a Polamalu or Harrison or Chancellor. All he does is play deep and prevent the other team from making a big play. Your whole defense was a huge success last year because of Revis and, to a lesser extent, Browner.

Their only hope now is they can sign Cromartie or they have some trade in the works for a CB. My fear is that they think Butler is going to become a superstar CB based on his Super Bowl heroics and that they're putting all their eggs in his basket too early.
 
I don't see Bill relying all on one piece to become a star. I'm sure it's part of the plan, but I think he's smart enough to know that. Cromartie expressing his willingness to go to NE might be worth them looking into if he is willing to work on price.
 
crownjules said:
The Pat's apparently were done negotiating for Revis on Monday, which is when they told Browner that they basically weren't picking him up either. Browner is not a #1 corner. He's not good on a team unless they have a lock down #1 corner. He excels at brawling on the line against the bigger receivers but he requires safety help over the top. He's slow and can't keep up with many receivers going downfield. You can't afford that on both sides of the field without becoming entirely too predictable. With Revis, you manned him up and had a safety help Browner and your 2nd safety was flexible.

It's disappointing for sure. Pat's apparently wouldn't go higher than $35M guaranteed. They threw money at McCourty who everyone will agree is not deserving of the kind of money he received. He's not a big play safety like a Polamalu or Harrison or Chancellor. All he does is play deep and prevent the other team from making a big play. Your whole defense was a huge success last year because of Revis and, to a lesser extent, Browner.

Their only hope now is they can sign Cromartie or they have some trade in the works for a CB. My fear is that they think Butler is going to become a superstar CB based on his Super Bowl heroics and that they're putting all their eggs in his basket too early.
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I can agree with Browner. I generally trust Belichick. He has a good track record on letting players go.
If we get some kind of pass rush (hopefully Easley gets better) our existing DB's can be good . Not sure what happened to Dennard, but liked him. Ryan was good and Butler looks good. And Arrington is good as long as he's in the slot.

The kind of money Revis got, we weren't giving that. I think Revis basically said whomever gives me 16mill per year for the 1st 3 years gets me. The Pats love it or hate it wins the way they business and doesn't overpay.
 
emperus said:
What did you mean by that?



And they couldn't have kept Browner and signed Revis and still be under the Cap. That is the reason they tried to renegotiate Browner's contract and didn't pay him the roster bonus. The point was mute as I don't think the PAts were paying 16 million a year for 3 years and I don't think they had the Cap space to pay that.
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Again, where did I say cap space? Freeing up money isn't the same as cap space. Not sure if you're trolling or stupid. And it has already been stated that NE would have been $10m over the cap with the options picked-up on Revis and Browner. Easy to rectify by cutting Amendola, Arrington and other fodder.
 
Jimzz said:
Only way I can see Bradford making sense is if another team said no to Foles but said if you had... and Bradford was something someone wanted.

Also coming out Foles is very happy to be out of Philly. So maybe there was something behind the scenes going on there as well?
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Chip is a control freak. It's been known that it's his way or the highway. When he took over the the team... heh, well, he quite literally took over the team. They gave him the keys to the castle in order to get him to give up his Oregon gig. Everybody knows this.
 
smackababy said:
I don't see Bill relying all on one piece to become a star. I'm sure it's part of the plan, but I think he's smart enough to know that. Cromartie expressing his willingness to go to NE might be worth them looking into if he is willing to work on price.
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Well, Bill relied on Talib on being a shut-down corner like he did on Graham and many other TE/WRs and relearned that you need a shut-down secondary if you can't get to the QB with a consistent pass rush. Revis was even better. The Revis and Browner combination allowed NE to be the best 2nd Half defense in the league.

No pass rush, nobody in the middle to stuff the run and now no cover guys. Back to being a bend but don't break defense that can't stop the opponent on 3rd down. Again, better to not sign McCourty and resign Revis and Browner.
 
Capt Caveman said:
Well, Bill relied on Talib on being a shut-down corner like he did on Graham and many other TE/WRs and relearned that you need a shut-down secondary if you can't get to the QB with a consistent pass rush. Revis was even better. The Revis and Browner combination allowed NE to be the best 2nd Half defense in the league.

No pass rush, nobody in the middle to stuff the run and now no cover guys. Back to being a bend but don't break defense that can't stop the opponent on 3rd down. Again, better to not sign McCourty and resign Revis and Browner.
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I don't think NE is going to lose a lot of pass rush. I see them picking up one of the deep D line positions early in the draft, and with Chandler Jones healthy, he should be okay. I do agree it would be better to have Revis and Browner, but Revis is posed for a falling off soon. Risk $35 million on it?

And the Vereen loss seems big, but Blount and Gray should make up some of that. Not out of the backfield catching, but power run type of stuff.
 
smackababy said:
I don't think NE is going to lose a lot of pass rush. I see them picking up one of the deep D line positions early in the draft, and with Chandler Jones healthy, he should be okay. I do agree it would be better to have Revis and Browner, but Revis is posed for a falling off soon. Risk $35 million on it?

And the Vereen loss seems big, but Blount and Gray should make up some of that. Not out of the backfield catching, but power run type of stuff.
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NE used a first round draft pick on a D Lineman. Now, they will have to use it on a CB. All you have to do is look at the prior two years when we had Talib and once he injured himself against the Ravens then Denver in the playoffs, Manning and Flacco picked us apart.

I would have had no problem guaranteeing Revis for the next 3 years. In three years, he'll still be better than anyone NE will have. If you throw Revis in the same category as a Woodson or Bailey, you know that they can play at a high level for a long time, relying more on intelligence, positioning and reading players.
 
Wow, did Chip trade McCoy and make those other moves so he could trade for Bradford? Just can't see the sense in that, although I don't think Bradford is totally senseless (he put up big numbers on short offense at OU, so he showed he can be accurate in that type of setup, but losing playmakers I just don't see helping to make that a success). But Foles was hardly garbage in that situation to begin with. And yeah I don't see Bradford being good trade bait, but maybe there's a QB needy team that has a solid base but no realistic chance of making a move for Winston or Mariotta (after seeing how the RGIII deal left Washington) and knows they couldn't sell Bradford and the big contract, so could talk Philly into eating most of the contract (which Phily could maybe manage while they pay Mariotta chump change for a few years). I don't even know if that would be possible either.

Don't even know what to think of the Chiefs supposedly making a serious try for Revis. They're already in cap hell (have to find the room to be able to pay Justin Houston still) so no way they could have afforded him this year. Granted next year will be a lot better, so maybe they could have loaded the contract big there. Not that it matters now. I like them trying but they'd have to have had something in mind for how to actually afford him and I just don't think they can right now, not without cutting so many people that I just don't see they'd end up better off. Would have been interesting for sure.
 
Capt Caveman said:
Again, where did I say cap space? Freeing up money isn't the same as cap space. Not sure if you're trolling or stupid. And it has already been stated that NE would have been $10m over the cap with the options picked-up on Revis and Browner. Easy to rectify by cutting Amendola, Arrington and other fodder.
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SO, what money did they free up that you feel they didn't use on anyone. It's just a weird statement. Brady, deferred his bonus money. People think that is so the Pats could have better cashflow.
 
I really wish Chip would hold a press conference and explain himself, but we all know that won't happen.

Bradford will not be traded. He's the guy, at least for this year. Maybe they take a 2nd tier QB in the draft, but I think the 2015 season is basically garbage.
 
Gunslinger08 said:
https://twitter.com/SheilKapadia/status/575651723919884291

The apologists will say Bradford never had a great o-line or receivers. The Eagles now also have a bunch of no-name 2nd tier WRs. Their o-line is good, but was riddled with injuries recently and lost their most versatile veteran in Herremans. They also lost their dynamic RB who could have taken some of the pressure off.
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Bradford's O-Line was "good" last season, and adequate the season before. I'm not sold on him though, and he obviously has a major injury history. Is he talented? I don't think he's got NFL starter skill, even with good WR's. And let's face it, Chip just cleaned house of all the skill positions in Philly. Hell, I think the Rams have a better cupboard than Philly does at this point. Doesn't matter how long you can stand in the pocket if you have nobody to throw it to.

But then again, Chip's M.O. is to work with no-name players, not stars on the field at the skill positions.
 
emperus said:
SO, what money did they free up that you feel they didn't use on anyone. It's just a weird statement. Brady, deferred his bonus money. People think that is so the Pats could have better cashflow.
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/facepalm

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story...ive-new-england-patriots-24-million-more-cash

Cutting Wilfork saves another $8m, trading Mankins freed up over $6m last year that wasn't utilized.

Better cashflow for what? To resign/sign players like McCourty but not Revis?
 
SunnyD said:
Bradford's O-Line was "good" last season, and adequate the season before. I'm not sold on him though, and he obviously has a major injury history. Is he talented? I don't think he's got NFL starter skill, even with good WR's. And let's face it, Chip just cleaned house of all the skill positions in Philly. Hell, I think the Rams have a better cupboard than Philly does at this point. Doesn't matter how long you can stand in the pocket if you have nobody to throw it to.

But then again, Chip's M.O. is to work with no-name players, not stars on the field at the skill positions.
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Jordan Matthews ain't chopped liver, but still it'll be just like old times for Sam with one borderline WR1/WR2 type to throw to and not much else. Check out this list of luminaries Bradford has worked with over the years and you can see his new Eagles gig will be deva vu all over again from the rest of his career.

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