2015 F-150 2.7L Ecoboost engine ... fuel economy?

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IHateMyJob2004

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With the 700 pound drop in weight and the new 2.7L engine, this thing must get crazy fuel economy.

Easily 25 or more mpg. But has anyone heard actual numbers.
 
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RAM 1500 3.6L already gets 25 highway. The F-150 needs to beat that by more than 2 mpg for such a radical new step.
 
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smaller engine does not always equal better gas mileage. Many V6 trucks only get a little better mileage on test but when loaded they burn as much or more fuel due to not having the low end torque.

Check sites that rack fuel mileage. Thought the turbo V6 in the ford trucks were running lower on average than rated.
 
IHateMyJob2004

IHateMyJob2004

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Ya, just noticed the Dodge doing 25 mpg yesterday. Quite impressive.

I hope they get to 30 MPG in a few years. I hate to say it but I wish that Chevy, Dodge or Ford came out with a smaller truck. They all existed the small truck market. All that is left is Toyota and Nissan. I'd maybe do a Toyota but I would much prefer a Ford, Chevy or Dodge.

Take all this new tech and put it in a nice looking Dakota at a 500 pound reduction in weight to give me 30 MPG. That's a winner!
 
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chucky2

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It probably will put up good EPA numbers but only because of the issues with the EPA testing cycle itself, plus all manufactuers have professionals whose entire job is to game out the best fuel efficiency on the EPA test cycle.

In the real world, with real world driving, it's going to very likely be just like the 2.0L Ecoboost in the Edge and Explorer: Not that impressive real FE numbers.

Much rather have a diesel...
 
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chucky2

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IHateMyJob2004 said:
Ya, just noticed the Dodge doing 25 mpg yesterday. Quite impressive.

I hope they get to 30 MPG in a few years. I hate to say it but I wish that Chevy, Dodge or Ford came out with a smaller truck. They all existed the small truck market. All that is left is Toyota and Nissan. I'd maybe do a Toyota but I would much prefer a Ford, Chevy or Dodge.

Take all this new tech and put it in a nice looking Dakota at a 500 pound reduction in weight to give me 30 MPG. That's a winner!
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Chevy is coming out with their new Colorado, and it's supposed to have a diesel in it. Might be the most FE truck offered here in the States.
 
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chucky2 said:
Chevy is coming out with their new Colorado, and it's supposed to have a diesel in it. Might be the most FE truck offered here in the States.
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Yea early info and pictures look good.

I like the mid size trucks. Ride better than the smaller ones but a little easier to get into parking spaces and most general parking today. Have a 2007 Quad Dakota right now.



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NutBucket

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The sad thing is my dad has a regular cab, 5-speed 4x2 Tacoma. I'm pretty sure it won't get 30mpg on the freeway. The only thing you're really saving is probably some city mileage, ease of parking/maneuvering, and lower initial cost.

EPA rates the 2013 @ 21/25, 23 combined.

EDIT: This is for the 2.7L 4-cylinder
 
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NutBucket said:
The sad thing is my dad has a regular cab, 5-speed 4x2 Tacoma. I'm pretty sure it won't get 30mpg on the freeway. The only thing you're really saving is probably some city mileage, ease of parking/maneuvering, and lower initial cost.

EPA rates the 2013 @ 21/25, 23 combined.
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Yea my current mid-size V8 truck gets the same or better mileage than my old 1999 V6 ranger. The ranger 3.0, power of a 4cyl and gas mileage of a V8. :)
 
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It is still heavy as hell, I'd be surprised if it got over 23 on the highway. My truck never ever actually delivered on its official highway rating of 20 mpg. Real world mpg was about 10% lower.
 
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Greenman said:
28 highway if you're talking about the diesel. Very serious mpg from a truck.
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RAM just gives me a bad taste in my mouth. I've had 2-3 friends buy these since the late 90s and none of them have been as stable as my friends that have bought Ford and Chevy trucks. I've not seen the newest RAM trucks perform, but all my friends had cracks in their dashboards, various issues with seats coming apart, etc.... They do make a great diesel truck, but I never needed to haul any big equipment....so it wasn't worth the risk.


My take on Ecoboost is that it's going to hit a sweetspot if it hasn't already. It's just a turbo charger and direct injection. I was reluctant to trust them the first few years and a lot of problems were discovered, addressed with terrible gas mileage and basic QC issues you'd see with any new design. I'm surprised they're even putting a 2.7L in a F150 considering the first few years was a 365hp 3.5L (if I remember correctly)....

My F150 is just the basic 16v 4.6L V8 and it's got 250hp...plenty for what I need @ 18mpg. I paid far less for that engine and truck that most people are paying for ecoboost and I don't drive it enough to care about MPG as long as I get over 15mpg.
 
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I want to see what it gets also, my current 12' 5.0l scab 4x4 far exceeds the window sticker. I logged a hand calculated 21.7mpg (721 miles on 32.9g) on a 1300 mile trip last summer with a 70mph average. Sticker says 19 hwy but I have to be driving into a stiff headwind @ 75mph to drop that low. A mild mannered 60mph cruise on a calm day is 23-25mpg. Newer diesels have lost mileage with all the new emissions crap and really don't see a benefit in a 1/2 ton anymore. I quit the diesel game because of that, any the extra cost associated with owning one.
 
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I've read both good and bad about the 3.5. One guy says he got >20mpg while towing (10,000lbs if memory serves) and another guy said that his fuel mileage was garbage and he was going back to a Chevy v8.

Reading the available media, it looks like they're getting more torque with less displacement. They've moved the turbos closer to the valves so as I read it they're using bigger turbos or more boost (for the torque) and getting them closer to the heat for response.

If they're getting more power they've got to be burning more fuel (under boost) but hoping to make that back with less displacement. The trouble is that first time turbo owners or people who like the torque delivery are going to get worse mileage and might not recognize that their heavy foot is to blame.
 
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Knowing said:
I've read both good and bad about the 3.5. One guy says he got >20mpg while towing (10,000lbs if memory serves) and another guy said that his fuel mileage was garbage and he was going back to a Chevy v8.

Reading the available media, it looks like they're getting more torque with less displacement. They've moved the turbos closer to the valves so as I read it they're using bigger turbos or more boost (for the torque) and getting them closer to the heat for response.

If they're getting more power they've got to be burning more fuel (under boost) but hoping to make that back with less displacement. The trouble is that first time turbo owners or people who like the torque delivery are going to get worse mileage and might not recognize that their heavy foot is to blame.
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It's going to be a big first for us in the US. There have always been Turbo's but Fords big push with EB will be the first time it's really been pushed into the lime lite for regular car buyers. I like to tell people that when they are looking at a Ford to think of it as Eco or Boost.

I love the fact I get 240HP and a butt load of torque on my Fusion and that's alone is a good enough reason to get the car. But I like that I can also without hypemiling I can also get 30+ MPG just by being more careful with my foot. It's certainly a lot more Jekyll and Hyde than a normal mid size V6 and I am not sure the public as a whole is ready for it, but overall I like their implementations and look forward to the 2.3 EB coming in the Mustang. But I think for the people that know what the EB really is will find it a pretty decent to great solution.
 
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Topweasel said:
It's going to be a big first for us in the US. There have always been Turbo's but Fords big push with EB will be the first time it's really been pushed into the lime lite for regular car buyers.
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Yeah not really.

Dodge pushed turbos really hard in the 80-early 90s. Every FWD vehicle they made during those years was available with a turbo at some point including minivans and station wagons. Ford did a several turbo cars during that period too but dodge went really nuts with them because they didn't have a v6.
 
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Yeah not really.

Dodge pushed turbos really hard in the 80-early 90s. Every FWD vehicle they made during those years was available with a turbo at some point including minivans and station wagons. Ford did a several turbo cars during that period too but dodge went really nuts with them because they didn't have a v6.
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Eh Chrysler wasn't a bit player but they still sold a fraction of GM and Ford. It was also their shifty turbo's that turned the public off them in the first place. So yeah, between a twenty year absence and therefore almost two generations without experience in them and even for the ones that did being turned off of them, its practically a new tech, and requires some experience and constraint before the masses get out of them what Ford intended.
 
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I think turbos have been around long enough for regular car buyers to be quite comfortable with them. A small displacement turbo v6 in a full size truck is definitely unique, but other than some early glitches with the ecoboosts in the F150s, and some complains about gas mileage, people do seem to like the motor. The EB acts a lot like a diesel, with gobs of torque at low RPM, without the 25% markup for diesel fuel.
I'd consider one for my next truck.
 
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I don't know about that. Know they exist sure. But how many people have actually driven turbo's. Specially ones not gear at the performance buyers like a wrx or evo. I mean go through the top 20 cars in the US each of the last 20 years. I bet maybe 1% are non diesel turbo. Besides the reliability and maintenance changes, you also have a different mindset than 20 years ago where gas cost didn't factor in and getting 15mpg on premium didn't matter as much as the performance.

The average Fusion, Sebring, Malibu, Celica, civic, driver isn't completely ready and you can read it in the reviews. Specially the car ones, like the Fusion. I think that you give the masses to much credit for knowing things that would seem like common sense. As an IT guy I have to catch myself doing the same things with my users. If someone doesn't care about something, when they go to get a product they look at the sticker for best stats and lowest price with an eye to known quantities for reliability concerns. For cars its performance (in HP only), MPG, and price. Then it needs their options.

So yeah if they haven't driven a Turbo, they have no idea what to expect. In the US that's a total of part of one generation and a few outliers that have.
 
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