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2014 NFL draft and offseason thread: your mock draft, team wish list, and more

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Brandon Marshall sure has grown up and matured the last few years. Who wouldnt want this guy in your locker room. He basically developed Alshon over the winter and helped him get bigger and eat right. He basically has wide receiver and offensive University at his house all summer in Florida. Look at a guy like Jordan Palmer and our departed backup who is lovies QB now. Both developed chemistry and timing over the winter. They bring in nutritionists and trainers and probably get a better workout than what the teams are doing.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/122603/marshall-not-worried-about-extension
 
And that is totally up to the negotiation between the player and the team, not as exist in the fantasy world most people speak of when they say all the leagues but the NFL has guaranteed contracts when in fact all the leagues have about the same contract guarantees in the base league rules.
 
MJD to sign with da'raiders.

Cheatriots manage to get a 3 year extension with Wilfork.

That presents an interesting dilemna. Although I know it would never happen, presume for sake of argument that MJD, McFadden, and Latavius Murray were all healthy. Who is the feature back or do they do straight-up RB by committee/hot hand? MJD is way more durable than Run DMC but don't know how much he has left in the tank. MJD looked pretty terrible most of last year (although admittedly playing for the Jags might have a lot to do with that) and McFadden was even worse. Murray is a wildcard but would be surprised if he beat out the other 2 if healthy, especially coming off his own injury.
 
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I'd ride macfadden heavy early knowing he is likely to break and then have drew as the late season bell cow.
 
That presents an interesting dilemna. Although I know it would never happen, presume for sake of argument that MJD, McFadden, and Latavius Murray were all healthy. Who is the feature back or do they do straight-up RB by committee/hot hand? MJD is way more durable than Run DMC but don't know how much he has left in the tank. MJD looked pretty terrible most of last year (although admittedly playing for the Jags might have a lot to do with that) and McFadden was even worse. Murray is a wildcard but would be surprised if he beat out the other 2 if healthy, especially coming off his own injury.

Sucks that MJD went rapidly downhill after that Lisfranc injury, the dude was awesome before that. All too often a freak injury can really shorten a talented players NFL career. Look at Mike James of the Bucs, even though it was a very short stretch he was bad ass and then *bam* a bad injury during that Dolphins game that could very well cut his NFL career short.
 
Johnny Manziel seems to be getting a bunch of attention from his Pro Day. While I think Manziel will be good in the NFL why do people continue to overhype the Pro Days? They never really mean much

Weeden:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/09/impressive-pro-day-helps-quarterback-brandon-weeden/

Gabbert:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/03/17/blaine-gabbert-pro-day/

Drew Brees had a bad pro day and look how that turned out
http://si.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1022419/6/index.htm
 
Johnny Manziel seems to be getting a bunch of attention from his Pro Day. While I think Manziel will be good in the NFL why do people continue to overhype the Pro Days? They never really mean much

Weeden:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/09/impressive-pro-day-helps-quarterback-brandon-weeden/

Gabbert:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/03/17/blaine-gabbert-pro-day/

Drew Brees had a bad pro day and look how that turned out
http://si.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1022419/6/index.htm

Agree that the Pro Days are overrated, but disagree about Manziel. I think he'll be a Vince Young v.2 in the NFL and after a short burst of initial success, ultimately set back the team that drafts him several years.
 
Sucks that MJD went rapidly downhill after that Lisfranc injury, the dude was awesome before that. All too often a freak injury can really shorten a talented players NFL career. Look at Mike James of the Bucs, even though it was a very short stretch he was bad ass and then *bam* a bad injury during that Dolphins game that could very well cut his NFL career short.

Look at what happened to Bo Jackson. Just a freak injury and he's done.
 
Ugh, I just know my Vikes are going to end up doing something stupid and giving away extra picks to move up and take Manziel. I will be so freaking sad if that happens. 🙁

KT
 
Ugh, I just know my Vikes are going to end up doing something stupid and giving away extra picks to move up and take Manziel. I will be so freaking sad if that happens. 🙁

KT
Do you really think the risk-reward is that off the chart for Manziel? He's a gamble for sure, but that doesn't mean you should avoid him.
 
Do you really think the risk-reward is that off the chart for Manziel? He's a gamble for sure, but that doesn't mean you should avoid him.

I'm fine if he just falls to our pick at the eighth pick (not in love with the guy, but I'm fine with the risk at that point), I am more concerned, now that there is seemingly more hype around him, is that the powers that be will get fixated on him and will need to trade things away to move up and get him.

KT
 
Do you really think the risk-reward is that off the chart for Manziel? He's a gamble for sure, but that doesn't mean you should avoid him.

Well, the Vikings already had a love boat incident didn't they? Do they really need another whatever Johnny Football will get into incident?



Sadly, I actually like what Jerry Jones has been doing this off season, so I can only expect him to completely fuck it up on draft day. =(
 
And that is totally up to the negotiation between the player and the team, not as exist in the fantasy world most people speak of when they say all the leagues but the NFL has guaranteed contracts when in fact all the leagues have about the same contract guarantees in the base league rules.

Again, I disagree.

The NBA and MLB have collectively bargained that guaranteed contracts are the status quo. There are structural differences of course. e.g. MLB has the minor leagues, arbitration year players, and things like 45 day waivers negotiated into their CBA. This recently cropped up when Ryan Wolf who had a major league contract contingent upon making the team, when he made the team was presented a contract with a 45 day waiver. But these are exceptional cases and not the guidelines for multi-year contracts with players. In fact in many cases the 45 day waiver would have been a violation of the MLB CBA (Ryan Wolf fit into a specially negotiated player class where such rules can apply; arbitration eligible players are in a similar sub-class with special rules related to pay and free agency). The NBA has similar situations (e.g. 10 day contract) but like MLB the NBA CBA dictates that most multi-year contract structures must be fully guaranteed. This is an entitled right in the NBA that most veteran players qualify for.

About 90 percent of all NBA contracts are fully guaranteed for payment on the day that they are signed by the player. That player simply needs to show up for work and he'll get paid. He can lose his skill, be out of shape or for whatever reason perform poorly, yet his contract is secure. By comparison, only a small portion of NFL contracts are guaranteed at signing, mostly for the star players, and many of those long-term deals can be modified in the outer years, and players can be cut.

The reason 90% are guaranteed is a byproduct of the CBA. League CBA's regular max contract years, minimum and maximum salaries, when players become eligible for free agency, etc. Each league operates differently. e.g. in the NFL many veterans have their complete salary guaranteed if they make the roster and play in week one--this is not true of rookies signed off the street. (To contract the NBA has a January 10th guarantee date for single season non-guaranteed training camp contracts.) Note in the NBA you can only offer a training camp contract if you have 14 contracts without the non-guaranteed training camp contract clause.

These differences can be seen in the early years of contracts. The NBA CBA (see R) guarantees the first 2 years of a rookie contract are guaranteed and year 3 and 4 are options, if exercised, are guaranteed. The options need to be taken after year one for option one (3rd year) and year two for option two (4th year). Furthermore all qualifying contracts must be fully guaranteed against performance and injury (3.a.b.3).

The NFL does not extend such guarantees to rookies and restricted free agents as mater of course. A rookie can be cut and ONLY his guaranteed money is paid. In the NFL 1st round rookies now have 5th year club options whereas earlier rounds do not. Some players are eligible for unrestricted free agency after 3 years, some 4. These are all contract nuances collectively bargained by the leagues independently.

The NFL allows guaranteed contracts but they are exceedingly rare--they are also NOT mandated for rookie contracts or for restricted free agents like the NBA. Thus all the talk of guaranteed money. There are special cases where single year contracts are guaranteed (e.g. tenders and tags) but these are nothing like what is found in other leagues.

Similar patterns and CBA protections are found in MLB. While, like the NBA, there are non-guaranteed contracts the bulk of multi-year contracts are guaranteed against injury or performance as the CBA guidelines dictate.

The TLDR is you need look no further than NBA rookie deals vs. the NFL and how first non-rookie contracts are handled. In the NBA rookie deals are guaranteed (as well as exercised options that are taken a whole season prior) as well as all Qualifying Offers. In the NFL a rookies signing bonus is the only guaranteed money required by the NFL CBA. And while a tendered restricted free agent has a guaranteed 1 year deal at the corresponding tender a tendered player (or unsigned/released player) signs with another team that contract is not guaranteed defacto. And rarely is. Which, again, is different from the other leagues where multi-year deals are almost always guaranteed per their respective CBA guidelines.
 
Agree that the Pro Days are overrated, but disagree about Manziel. I think he'll be a Vince Young v.2 in the NFL and after a short burst of initial success, ultimately set back the team that drafts him several years.

Calling him Vince Young 2.0 is a pretty strong statement. Manziel has a completion rate over 68%, tons of rushing yards and a boat load of tds in the SEC. I'm not sure how good the Big 12 was back when Vince Young ( im not a big cfb fan)was playing but I do know that the SEC is know for defense.

It's hard to look at the constant highlight reels Manziel had in his 2 years and just write him off as a bust.
 
LOL, what dumbasses. And to think earlier I said the team should be given benefit of the doubt.

Stories have been circulating about his old friends being gang members. After the Hernandez affair all the teams are going to be very careful.
 
There must have been some pretty big shenanigans going on in the background between Jackson and the Eagles. Aren't they taking a 9 million dollar dead money cap hit this season?

Off the field gang ties and shitty attitude/work ethic. Good for the Eagles, they don't need another cancer like TO, talented or not. Fuck it. Draft a speedster in the 2nd or 3rd round.
www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2014/03/eagles_desean_jackson_off-the-field_troubles.html

Now the Eagles have even more serious concerns -- Jackson's continued association with reputed Los Angeles street gang members who have been connected to two homicides since 2010.
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Jackson was, however, associated with Theron Shakir, one of the two men charged with the murder. Along with co-defendant Marques Binns, Shakir is a purported member of the Crips. In addition, Shakir, known as "T-Ron," is a rapper who recorded for Jaccpot Records, a label owned by Jackson. The two were close enough that they appear together frequently in photographs -- including pictures posted by Jackson to Instagram while Shakir sat in jail awaiting trial for the teen's execution.
 
I'm fine if he just falls to our pick at the eighth pick (not in love with the guy, but I'm fine with the risk at that point), I am more concerned, now that there is seemingly more hype around him, is that the powers that be will get fixated on him and will need to trade things away to move up and get him.

KT
I can't see him falling out of the top 5, someone will trade up at that point, which the Vikings are in place to do at 8 w/o giving up too much I think.
 
Off the field gang ties and shitty attitude/work ethic. Good for the Eagles, they don't need another cancer like TO, talented or not. Fuck it. Draft a speedster in the 2nd or 3rd round.
www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2014/03/eagles_desean_jackson_off-the-field_troubles.html

DJax just released a statement denying any gang membership/affiliation and saying that his release had nothing to do with his off-field friends. I suspect that denying being in a gang wouldn't go over very well with other gang members, if you're really in one. Seems like maybe this was all about money/attitude, which I find stupid.
 
After Aaron Hernandez NFL players should be aware that having "friends" tied with violent gangs or murder investigations is a bad thing. Continuing the friendship and tweeting photos with real gang signs, while said friend is being tried, is a sure way to lose a lucrative contract as a club who sees these signs cannot feign ignorance if something bad happens.
 
Status quo does not mean it is a factual circumstance as required by league rules. It does not matter in how many degrees of Kevin Bacon gets a contract you sugar coat the circumstance, the letter of the law facts are that none of the leagues require a full contract guarantee for all players. If a MLB owner wanted to tomorrow he could field an entire roster with personnel whom had contracts with no such multi year guarantees.
 
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