2014 Forbes' richest people: number of billionaires up significantly

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1prophet

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It's because their taxes are very high. Guys like Andrew Carnegie and JP Morgan gave away lots of money because they had almost no taxes to pay. They felt they could give something back to the people. Now that we live in the age of class warfare, rich people don't like most Americans because most Americans are demanding free shit. People want free health care, free education, free food (EBT), free rent (section 8), free phones, free day care, etc. If I were rich, I wouldn't give as much as a penny to the people trying to raise my taxes or trying to steal my estate when I die.


Today's rich people are the ones who helped create the economy of low pay and welfare through outsourcing and in sourcing (illegals), while pushing the ideology that if you want to be anything you must buy the biggest and and best in order to pass up the Jones, doesn't matter if you have no money just do it on credit, and the only thing that trickled down from them was the "It's all about me attitude" that you see in the many lower classes.

The last billionaire who actually gave a damn about the American middle class and understood the ramifications of global wage disparity and it's effects on the economy that this race to the bottom is having today was Ross Perot, and he predicted exactly what you see today.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkgx1C_S6ls
 

bshole

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This thread proves that conservatives hate the middle class. They especially hate people who save for their own retirement. Despicable.
 

MagickMan

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This thread proves that conservatives hate the middle class. They especially hate people who save for their own retirement. Despicable.

It shows you hate the poor, you won't help them when you have more than what you need. That's disgusting. D:
 

Matt1970

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Actually $5 million is a bit too low when I think about it. It should start at $10 million at a greatly reduced rate and the rate would increase with the size of the fortune. The money we really want to get at are the fortunes over 100 million. They are the ones buying elections and ruining America.

Regarding my retirement accounts: I have saved and denied luxuries to myself for over 2 decades to accumulate a nest egg to retire on. That money is to provide for me in my retirement. The government has no business going after it.

So in your mind your dollar amount is acceptable. However if someone decides they want more, they now become your sworn enemy and that money must be taken by force. You are a hypocrite just setting the bar where your fortune is protected and anyone above you gets ass raped.
 

Zaap

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Today's rich people are the ones who helped create the economy of low pay and welfare through outsourcing and in sourcing (illegals), while pushing the ideology that if you want to be anything you must buy the biggest and and best in order to pass up the Jones, doesn't matter if you have no money just do it on credit, and the only thing that trickled down from them was the "It's all about me attitude" that you see in the many lower classes.

The last billionaire who actually gave a damn about the American middle class and understood the ramifications of global wage disparity and it's effects on the economy that this race to the bottom is having today was Ross Perot, and he predicted exactly what you see today.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkgx1C_S6ls
Sorry, I don't buy this pass the buck (literally) attitude.

People are responsible for their own poor spending habits, and the culture of pure idiocy that many subscribe to that says everyone is a rockstar/rapstar/gangsta/sports star/movie star/ and fuck anyone that actually bothers to learn anything and be something real.

And the worst offenders among those 'rich people' are the very politicians that poor people worship and think will save them. They're the ones bending over backwards and looking the other way to allow more illegal labor into the country so their rich cronies can pay even shittier wages. They're the ones singing stupid one-sided "free trade" agreements. They're the ones bailing out their billionaire buddies and piling the tabs on the taxpayer. And they're the ones being voted into office and worshiped by lots of dumb people, who are as responsible for the shitheads we have in office every bit as much as they are responsible for their own shitty economic conditions.
 

Spungo

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Today's rich people are the ones who helped create the economy of low pay and welfare through outsourcing and in sourcing (illegals)
Most of the shit rich people do is the result of things stupid people vote for. California is a great example of this. People keep voting for more red tape in California. How do rich people respond? They outsource. Not to other countries, but to other states and other cities. The main office of a company was in Sacramento? Now it's in Dallas. Cars were made in Michigan? Now they're made in Ohio or Wisconsin.

You need to ask why businesses decided to move factories elsewhere. Back in the 60s or 70s, Americans were some of the highest paid people in the world, but our goods were the cheapest. People with money would brag that someone was imported because imports were more expensive. It was more cost effective to build things in America, and we made great products. What changed had nothing to do with wages and everything to do with red tape and regulations. Think about how something like an iphone is made. 99% of it is robots, and that last 1% is done by humans. How long is the iphone in that human's hand? 1 minute? Less? You could pay that human $100/h and it would still have very little impact on the final cost of that phone. With that in mind, why would a company move a 100 million dollar factory to the other side of the world? It's not to get away from wages. It's to get away from regulations and red tape.

Most Americans have no idea how much red tape is involved in everything a company does. Companies have full time employees, sometimes several of them, who do nothing but regulation compliance. This isn't stuff like preventing toxic waste dumping in the river. This is dumb shit like how high the curb is, what slope is the wheelchair ramp, how high is someone's desk, does the store's sign offend certain people, does the office have the correct ratio of men and women, are employees given proper sensitivity training. You need to be borderline crazy to build a factory in America. Your factory could be shut down if the government thinks the light reflecting off the roof is affecting bird migration or something equally stupid. Things just keep getting worse because our government gets more and more retarded. Look at the GM bankruptcy as an example of this. Obama and his friends tried to score political points by favoring the union and screwing the bond holders. What did Obama just tell the world? Do not lend money to American companies. In other countries, bond holders come first, so bonds have lower interest rates because they are backed by the company assets. In America, it's not entirely clear if the bond holders have claim on company assets, so the bond rates for US companies will increase. This makes it even harder to operate in America. A company located in Canada might be able to borrow at 3% interest. That same company in America might need to pay 4% interest because the loan is not secured, and bond holders will get screwed if the company goes bankrupt.
 
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