2013 starting off bad for Toyota in the recall Dept again - 1 Million+ cars recalled

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  1. Dari

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    This is patently false. Honda is one of the most innovative car companies out there. They just don't brag about it and they never collaborate with other companies. Honda is heavily invested in natural gas and fuel cell. They are the only company I know that sell fuel cell vehicles. Honda also has one of the best AWD systems on the road, the SH-AWD.
     
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    They are #1.
     
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    You're applying a generalized comment to too specific a context. And also exposing yourself as some kind of Honda nut-hugger.

    Honda has made their name in the mainstream with KISS principles, like it or not. I wasn't saying that they weren't researching other tech...more just saying that you can always expect stuff like the Civic and Accord to (generally) use well thought-out applications of common, tried and true tech to keep their reliability rep up.
     
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    Hey, I am giving examples just like you. They are doing more than researching. They actually manufacture these cars and sell them. You specifically said that they are not innovative or cutting edge when they clearly are. People like you just look at the visuals and ignore the underpinnings (or see what you like). For example, their latest RLX, according to many, is a snooze-fest. But dig deeper and you will see their next generation SH-SH-AWD, an AWD system that was already considered the best in the industry.

    Your post also implied that they use an old tech until forced to move on, which is just not true. Honda is a classic Japanese company. By that I mean they come out with advanced tech and put it out in limited numbers to test the waters. Once the kinks are fleshed out they expand it. Their philosophy may be KISS but it does not mean that they are not innovative.
     
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    Okay...sorry for the 'nut-hugger' comment...it does appear you're being way more more subjective than I initially thought.:oops:

    I fully agree with the quoted post. We're just looking at it from different angles. Yeah, Honda does plenty of research, often pioneering technology. I was simply trying to say that on a mass-market scale, which is where reliability perceptions really come into play, Honda does try and keep it simple. And that's not a put-down. It's just what I've seen, and why the vehicles they sell in droves (again, Civic and Accord dominate the NA market for Hondas) are generally quite reliable.

    Even when you bring more obscure examples into play, there is a presence of 'elegance in simplicity.' The Insight was ahead of its time, but the tech was still relatively simple and reliable. The NSX is grouped with very high-end sports cars (albeit not 'super cars'), but did not include tech for the sake of tech. It's was good ol' Honda in a hi-po wrapper. Ect.
     
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    Everywhere I check says VW & GM are ahead...
     
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    I agree. They don't over-engineer like the Germans.
     
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    That's because GM hasn't given their numbers yet for 2012. But everyone is in agreement that Toyota is #1 for 2012.
     
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    LOL, GM doesn't ever give numbers. Not legit ones, anyway. Post-bailout we've been treated to lots of fudged pieces of paper to make it look like our 'investment' wasn't flushed down the shitter.

    At least they're selling plenty of Impalas...back to the goverment. At least non-government fleet sales seem to be declining; they must not be able keep offering the same incentives for buying those turds.

    (...no, I'm not bitter that we save GM...not at all. :whiste:)
     
  12. LTC8K6

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    Well, 1 or 3, it doesn't really affect my point...they are near the top.