~~2013 MLB WORLD SERIES~~ Cardinals VS Red Sox

[Adrenaline]

Torre just read the rulebook in the after game interview with the umpires. This was an example in the rulebook and was considered obstruction.

 

[BUTCH1]

I don't think Craig saw Middlebrooks until after he looked up to stand up.. totally surprising him. Probably would've tripped over him whether Mbrooks legs were up or not. Nonetheless that's the rule. Intent doesn't matter, apprently. Somehow Jim Joyce ends up in situations like this.

This might be controversial based on the fact that Middlebrooks was not blocking the basepath, he was well to the right of it, doesn't he have a right to get up?, if ump's are gonna call this interference your gonna see runners trying for home plowing into third baseman intentionally for the free run..

 

[dbk]

Exactly, and we'll never know whether it was intentional or accidental. It certainly isn't obvious from the 10 replays that I've seen, yet I do believe that the umpires got it right. And they didn't hesitate whatsoever when making the call.

I think the reason why they made the call so easily was because intent doesn't matter at all. Obstruction is obstruction.

On a related note, I just saw this tweet:
"Boston Amazed That An Obscure Rule Could Determine The Outcome Of A Playoff Game"
:awe::biggrin:

 

[TallBill]

This might be controversial based on the fact that Middlebrooks was not blocking the basepath, he was well to the right of it, doesn't he have a right to get up?, if ump's are gonna call this interference your gonna see runners trying for home plowing into third baseman intentionally for the free run..

Not controversial whatsoever. The runner was in the base path and was obstructed from advancing by a player not fielding a ball or making a play. The third base ump made the call as soon as he tripped.

 

[TallBill]

I think the reason why they made the call so easily was because intent doesn't matter at all. Obstruction is obstruction.

On a related note, I just saw this tweet:
"Boston Amazed That An Obscure Rule Could Determine The Outcome Of A Playoff Game"
:awe::biggrin:

Yup, this isn't even debatable.

 

[BUTCH1]

Not controversial whatsoever. The runner was in the base path and was obstructed from advancing by a player not fielding a ball or making a play. The third base ump made the call as soon as he tripped.

Well I guess basepath doesn't make a difference as the photo clearly shows Middlebrooks well to the right of the chalkline, IDK the letter of the rule it probably states obstruction weather the player is in the basepath or not.

 

[Adrenaline]

Well I guess basepath doesn't make a difference as the photo clearly shows Middlebrooks well to the right of the chalkline, IDK the letter of the rule it probably states obstruction weather the player is in the basepath or not.

The chalk line is not always the basepath. The basepath is where the runner makes it. The umpires explained this during their interview.

When a based inner overshoots the base, like third, his basepath becomes a triangle.

 

[TallBill]

Well I guess basepath doesn't make a difference as the photo clearly shows Middlebrooks well to the right of the chalkline, IDK the letter of the rule it probably states obstruction weather the player is in the basepath or not.

Nope. However if the runner left the base path to break up the play it would have been interference.

 

[Chappie]

If the third baseman keeps his legs down I bet the umpire doesn't make the call...but he did put his legs up and it definitely impacted Craig's path to home.

But really what should be more concerning to Boston fans is Salty...he is awful. why is he playing? And the manager made some terrible decisions during the game.

 

[waggy]

Meh. correct call. kinda surprised it was made though.

I will say this is the first time in years i have been interested in a series. from the cheating in game one to this! wooo1

 

[looper]

A Sox fan here. The call was correct, but a shame to end a great game on that note. Salty should not have thrown to 3rd base.

What did bother me, was Beltran leaning in, making sure that inside pitch hit him on his padded elbow... JMO, but that was bush-league cheating.

 

[Perknose]

If the third baseman keeps his legs down I bet the umpire doesn't make the call...

Nope. Look again. He didn't stumble over the raised legs. He tripped over the fielder's body, which was in his path, legs raised or not.

 

[BUTCH1]

Meh. correct call. kinda surprised it was made though.

I will say this is the first time in years i have been interested in a series. from the cheating in game one to this! wooo1

The "cheating" was a joke, even St Louis managers and players admit they use rosin or pine-tar to get a grip on the ball on a cold night. What's disappointing as a Sox fan is how easily Buchholz is "fatigued" when he was out for months this summer with an injury caused by his kid sitting on his shoulder at an odd angle?, dude, if you don't want the ball give it to Lester on 3 days rest, he's a true gamer, your not. Then the whole obstruction deal would have never happened if moron Salty doesn't make that bad throw (that would not have got Craig even if it was perfect). Then letting Brandon Workman experience his first major-league AB against a 99MPH closer when you've got Napoli on the bench available to pinch-hit, ouch..

 

[Sinsear]

Correct call.

Sucks to have a great game end like that though.

 

[TechBoyJK]

If the third baseman keeps his legs down I bet the umpire doesn't make the call...but he did put his legs up and it definitely impacted Craig's path to home.

But really what should be more concerning to Boston fans is Salty...he is awful. why is he playing? And the manager made some terrible decisions during the game.

Legs going up didn't matter. For them to not make the call, he couldn't have been in front of Craig, period. Laying down, standing up, etc.

 

[Chappie]

I understand the rule, and I can see Craig didn't trip over the legs of the 3rd baseman. My point is the guys legs going up basically forced the ump to make the call. I guess I was'nt clear.

What are the Boston people saying about their manager...to me that is more important. How could he allow that pitcher take that at bat?? Absolutely crazy... I'm sure Napoli would have liked to have been up there.

 

[manly]

I understand the rule, and I can see Craig didn't trip over the legs of the 3rd baseman. My point is the guys legs going up basically forced the ump to make the call. I guess I was'nt clear.

What are the Boston people saying about their manager...to me that is more important. How could he allow that pitcher take that at bat?? Absolutely crazy... I'm sure Napoli would have liked to have been up there.

Agreed on the first point, if Middlebrooks laid flat on the ground and Craig still tripped over his torso, then the call would have been more controversial even if correct within the rules.

While I do agree that managers need to make optimal decisions, who's to say Napoli does anything against Rosenthal's hard stuff? Yes, Workman was a guaranteed out but Napoli would've had his hands full as well.

During the broadcast, McCarver said he was stunned the Sox pitched to Jay instead of loading them full for Kozma. Well Jay was batting around .205 and he's not that likely to muscle a sac fly for the game winner either.

Farrell could have done better by pinch hitting Napoli but I don't think he blew the game. Craig won it by aggressively jumping on a first pitch fastball, and then aggressively running for home. Obviously, it took a little luck on the last play for the run to count.

 

[Smartazz]

Agreed on the first point, if Middlebrooks laid flat on the ground and Craig still tripped over his torso, then the call would have been more controversial even if correct within the rules.

While I do agree that managers need to make optimal decisions, who's to say Napoli does anything against Rosenthal's hard stuff? Yes, Workman was a guaranteed out but Napoli would've had his hands full as well.

During the broadcast, McCarver said he was stunned the Sox pitched to Jay instead of loading them full for Kozma. Well Jay was batting around .205 and he's not that likely to muscle a sac fly for the game winner either.

Farrell could have done better by pinch hitting Napoli but I don't think he blew the game. Craig won it by aggressively jumping on a first pitch fastball, and then aggressively running for home. Obviously, it took a little luck on the last play for the run to count.

It was obvious that Farrell planned to pitch Workman in the 9th until he got into trouble, probably with the hope that they could use their closer in the 10th. Also, if Craig doesn't trip, he scores without question, which was part of the home plate ump's decision to call him safe.

 

[BUTCH1]

Agreed on the first point, if Middlebrooks laid flat on the ground and Craig still tripped over his torso, then the call would have been more controversial even if correct within the rules.

While I do agree that managers need to make optimal decisions, who's to say Napoli does anything against Rosenthal's hard stuff? Yes, Workman was a guaranteed out but Napoli would've had his hands full as well.

During the broadcast, McCarver said he was stunned the Sox pitched to Jay instead of loading them full for Kozma. Well Jay was batting around .205 and he's not that likely to muscle a sac fly for the game winner either.

Farrell could have done better by pinch hitting Napoli but I don't think he blew the game. Craig won it by aggressively jumping on a first pitch fastball, and then aggressively running for home. Obviously, it took a little luck on the last play for the run to count.

That's Uehara's one weakness, since most batters take the first pitch he likes to sneak in his 90MPH fastball for strike one, then mix in the slider, curve and that devastating splitter. What the Cards have figured out is the best pitch to hit from him will probably be that first one so they're swinging at it, Uehara might have to change his routine..

 

[BUTCH1]

Had to kind of LOL@ Molina wanting no part of trying to block the plate with a barreling Big Papi coming down the line..

 

[preCRT]

nice!

 

[Capt Caveman]

Gomes!!! Without the Victorino injuring his back, Gomes wouldn't have started tonight.

 

[BUTCH1]

Gomes!!! Without the Victorino injuring his back, Gomes wouldn't have started tonight.

Led the league this season with 4 pinch-hit HR's, that was a biggie!. serves them right for walking Papi..

 

[BUTCH1]

Oh shit, not Breslow again, now I'm getting nervous...

 

[BUTCH1]

Thank god Ferrel yanked him before more damage was done, dude was great until this series started then started losing command of every pitch, probably WS pressure..