~~2013 MLB WORLD SERIES~~ Cardinals VS Red Sox

[crownjules]

Can someone tell me why it is accepted for the teams coaches to run onto the field and stop game play while they act idiotic stomping and screaming like a 4 year old? Then once that's over they allow the other teams coach to do the same all the while 10 minutes has passed. Do they realize not everyone's life revolves around their stupid bs and has 4 hours to sit and watch a baseball game. No wonder baseball is a dying sport.

Well next year they are bringing in a challenge system, so hopefully that will make the process more orderly. John Farrell going out was understandable. But Mike Matheny went out after the replay had been playing over and over again on the jumbo screen for all to see, that was just stupid. What are you possibly going to argue? "You can't overturn your call even if it is the correct move because of reasons!"

 

[TechBoyJK]

Well next year they are bringing in a challenge system, so hopefully that will make the process more orderly. John Farrell going out was understandable. But Mike Matheny went out after the replay had been playing over and over again on the jumbo screen for all to see, that was just stupid. What are you possibly going to argue? "You can't overturn your call even if it is the correct move because of reasons!"

I think he was upset about the idea of umps coming in and over ruling calls and disrupting the game. If they do it this time, what about the next time, and the next? The point of umps is to get it right the first time. If that's not going to be the case, just have the umps sit on the side and watch replays and stay off the field.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Well next year they are bringing in a challenge system, so hopefully that will make the process more orderly. John Farrell going out was understandable. But Mike Matheny went out after the replay had been playing over and over again on the jumbo screen for all to see, that was just stupid. What are you possibly going to argue? "You can't overturn your call even if it is the correct move because of reasons!"

I'm use to the nfl or nba. If a coach comes onto the field of play it's a tech or a flag. Keep it up and you're out of the game. They keep things moving.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Can someone tell me why it is accepted for the teams coaches to run onto the field and stop game play while they act idiotic stomping and screaming like a 4 year old? Then once that's over they allow the other teams coach to do the same all the while 10 minutes has passed. Do they realize not everyone's life revolves around their stupid bs and has 4 hours to sit and watch a baseball game. No wonder baseball is a dying sport.

Huh, we must have watched a different game b/c I did not see that happen by either coach. The WS is being played on FOX, fwiw.

 

[Meghan54]

Can someone tell me why it is accepted for the teams coaches to run onto the field and stop game play while they act idiotic stomping and screaming like a 4 year old? Then once that's over they allow the other teams coach to do the same all the while 10 minutes has passed. Do they realize not everyone's life revolves around their stupid bs and has 4 hours to sit and watch a baseball game. No wonder baseball is a dying sport.

Wouldn't call it a dying sport.

Major League Baseball finished the 2013 regular season with an attendance of 74,026,895, the sixth highest total of all-time. In 2,426 dates this season, MLB averaged 30,514 fans per game. MLB’s 2013 total trails only the four-year span from 2005-2008 and last year’s total of 74,859,268.

The worst draw was the Tampa Bay Rays, who drew 1.5 million.

Of course, if you want to spin it as baseball's dying, MLB had its 138th worst season attendance record.

And the fact that their highest attendance totals in MLB history have all been in the last 10 years doesn't exactly equal a dying sport. Sales of goods tied to the teams...jerseys, caps, etc., have also been steadily increasing over the last 10 years.

And MLB just signed a multi-year multi-billion dollar broadcasting deal.

True, MLB is completely eclipsed by the NFL, but what sport isn't?

If MLB was truly on its way to the grave, how then are attendance levels of historic proportions?

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Huh, we must have watched a different game b/c I did not see that happen by either coach. The WS is being played on FOX, fwiw.

It was on the exact play you were talking about. Coach runs out to dispute it being an out (takes 3 minutes), refs get together and discuss said play (another 3 minutes), finally the cards coach runs out and starts throwing a hissy fit (another 3-4 minutes). Finally they get things under control and have allowed 10 minutes to pass while they acted like children yelling and screaming delaying the game to play on.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Wouldn't call it a dying sport.

Major League Baseball finished the 2013 regular season with an attendance of 74,026,895, the sixth highest total of all-time. In 2,426 dates this season, MLB averaged 30,514 fans per game. MLB’s 2013 total trails only the four-year span from 2005-2008 and last year’s total of 74,859,268.

And the fact that their highest attendance totals in MLB history have all been in the last 10 years doesn't exactly equal a dying sport. Sales of goods tied to the teams...jerseys, caps, etc., have also increased.

And MLB just signed a multi-year multi-billion dollar broadcasting deal.

True, MLB is completely eclipsed by the NFL, but what sport isn't?

If MLB was truly on its way to the grave, how then are attendance levels of historic proportions?

How's the tv ratings?

 

[Meghan54]

How's the tv ratings?

They've been increasing, too.

But, again, if you compare them to the NFL, they pale in comparison. Then again, everyone else does.

Face it, just because you don't like baseball doesn't mean it's dying.....far from it.

And remember, baseball is televised quite differently than the NFL. Many of the larger market teams televise every game. Can't say that about the NFL who controls who sees what and severely limits what games are shown where. And NFL fans would watch Jacksonville vs. the Raiders if it was the only game on, which would be a pure crap game.....and that's part of the NFL genius. Limit how much it's exposed. Baseball is vastly different in how much is televised.

 

[Capt Caveman]

It was on the exact play you were talking about. Coach runs out to dispute it being an out (takes 3 minutes), refs get together and discuss said play (another 3 minutes), finally the cards coach runs out and starts throwing a hissy fit (another 3-4 minutes). Finally they get things under control and have allowed 10 minutes to pass while they acted like children yelling and screaming delaying the game to play on.

Exaggerate much? Yet, you still watched the game like everyone else.

 

[dbk]

Did Lester cheat?

He seems to be putting his fingers on that spot on purpose! No accident!

 

[lupi]

The sweep is still alive!

 

[dabuddha]

Did Lester cheat?

He seems to be putting his fingers on that spot on purpose! No accident!

Does look fishy lol

 

[TechBoyJK]

These guys are saying Lester is caught red handed that it's obvious he's putting something on the ball

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Ujun6mAJA

 

[drquest]

Did Lester cheat?

He seems to be putting his fingers on that spot on purpose! No accident!

It's looks pretty obvious to me. Would have interesting if it had been noticed last night. I don't think after the game revelations of it will make any difference

Of course him doctoring the ball didn't cause the STL errors....

 

[soulcougher73]

These guys are saying Lester is caught red handed that it's obvious he's putting something on the ball

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Ujun6mAJA

As a Sox fan i hope this really isnt anything major in the end. I dislike cheating, even from my own team. Is fishy though.

 

[TechBoyJK]

As a Sox fan i hope this really isnt anything major in the end. I dislike cheating, even from my own team. Is fishy though.

I'm a Cards fan, and the Cards have a pretty good reputation for being a home grown, home town team with integrity. May the best team win, but I'm worried that even if Boston plays the better game, the series might be looked back on in bad light because of cheating.

 

[dabuddha]

Yes the Cards made errors and what not and folks will say it doesn't make a difference since the Sox scored so many runs but it changes everything. Being shut down by a cheating pitcher does affect you mentally and it's a cascading effect.

 

[dbk]

I hope both teams take all measures now to win. Let everyone cheat!! Ratings will sore!

 

[Capt Caveman]

I'm a Cards fan, and the Cards have a pretty good reputation for being a home grown, home town team with integrity. May the best team win, but I'm worried that even if Boston plays the better game, the series might be looked back on in bad light because of cheating.

Not sure if serious.

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2013/10/24/5024158/jon-lester-vaseline-world-series-red-sox-cardinals

Chris Perez used to pitch for the Cardinals:

Pitchers using a foreign substance to help grip the ball is not unheard of and may in fact be common practice. Tampa Bay Rays reliever Joel Peralta was ejected from a game last season for having pine tar in his glove. That led Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez to comment on the issue, noting during an interview with XM Radio that "older" Cardinals pitchers used various substances to help grip the ball.

Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch talked with a number of Cardinals starting pitchers, who admitted to the reporter that they were familiar with mixing a foreign substance with resin to help improve grip on the ball. Chris Carpenter discussed the issue with Strauss:

"There are probably a lot of pitchers in this game who need something at times to help them get a better grip. If you're talking about scuffing or putting Vaseline on the ball to make it move differently, that's a separate issue. But to do something to get a better grip on the ball? With guys throwing 100 miles per hour? I don't think that's cheating....Pine tar, sunscreen, whatever... it's not there to help the ball sink, cut or do funny things. It's a tool to keep it from flying out of your hands."

Adam Wainwright acknowledged that he uses a mix of sunscreen and resin to help him grip the ball, stating:

"There's a difference in pine tar from oil and grease, things that make the ball sink, cut or do different stuff. That's different than doctoring a ball."

edit - doing a little research, sunscreen is not illegal to use and it appears the majority of pitchers to get a better grip on the ball(like batters using pine tar) use a mix of rosin and sunscreen. Based on how cold it was last night and that the substance on Lester's glove appears to be green, I would guess that it's a rosin/sunscreen mix and not vaseline.

 

[dbk]

better pic

 

[Capt Caveman]

Haha. Heard on the radio that the Cardinal higher ups contacted the minor leaguer to stfu and just moments ago, his tweets have been removed. Why? B/c their pitchers are doing it too.

https://twitter.com/TylerMelling/

 

[acheron]

They've been increasing, too.

But, again, if you compare them to the NFL, they pale in comparison. Then again, everyone else does.

Face it, just because you don't like baseball doesn't mean it's dying.....far from it.

And remember, baseball is televised quite differently than the NFL. Many of the larger market teams televise every game. Can't say that about the NFL who controls who sees what and severely limits what games are shown where. And NFL fans would watch Jacksonville vs. the Raiders if it was the only game on, which would be a pure crap game.....and that's part of the NFL genius. Limit how much it's exposed. Baseball is vastly different in how much is televised.

The big reason is that there are 162 MLB games per team and only 16 NFL games. I would bet the vast majority of MLB fans don't watch every single game for their favorite team (even if you're really dedicated you're surely going to miss a few), but at least a good chunk of NFL fans will, because there's only 16 of them.

 

[zinfamous]

better pic

probably just snot. I'm guessing he had the sniffles on a cold night.

....is mucus considered contraband by the MLB? :hmm:

 

[iRONic]

Well, the drama escalated quickly in this series...

The umps got the reversal correct on Pedroia's slide into second:

DeMuth said he never actually saw Kozma drop the ball.

"My vision was on the foot. And when I was coming up, all I could see was a hand coming out and the ball on the ground. All right? So I was assuming," DeMuth told a pool reporter.

There was no dispute, however, that the umpires properly ruled Kozma had not caught a soft toss from second baseman Matt Carpenter on a potential forceout. That's what crew chief John Hirschbeck told Matheny.

"I just explained to him ... that five of us were 100 percent sure," Hirschbeck said. "Our job is to get the play right. And that's what we did.

"I said, 'I know you are not happy with it, that it went against you, but you have to understand that the play is correct.'"

Regarding the kerfuffle about Lester's glove:

"As far as I'm concerned it's a non-issue," Cardinals GM John Mozeliak told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "It's something that arose in social media and not from our players or manager or our coaching staff. To me it does not represent a concern."

Using some substance to improve grip in cold weather is not unusual. In the past -- and during the regular season -- teams have been reluctant to turn in an opposing team for a foreign substance because their pitchers also use rosin or pine tar to improve their grip. In 2005, the Cardinals lost Julian Tavarez as a result of a complaint that he used a tacky substance.

The Cardinals did have an official with the organization reach out to the minor-league pitcher who put up the initial tweet and picture.

Mebbe Pete Kozma should have put something sticky in his glove...

Sucks for Beltran to get dinged up. I hope he can make it back into the lineup.

 

[lupi]

not a hitter in the post season I'd fear more over the last decade than ortiz.