2013 Dodge Viper first photo

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TheHashmaster

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it states in the article that the new viper will retain its V-10, although newly redesigned.

im super happy its gonna be unveiled at the NY auto show. cannot wait!!!!!!!
 

Throckmorton

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You guys realize that a well made semi-automatic transmission (with flappy paddles, or other shifter) will out perform even the fastest shifting human at this point, along with supporting an automatic mode for when you want to casually drive? (albeit jerkily at low speeds)

The slowest part in these systems is the reaction time of the person.

A robot can drive your car faster than you. That's not the point.
 

RearAdmiral

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You going to VOI 12?

I have this crazy idea that I want to drive (from Oregon), dunno if that will survive the next 8 months of logic but for now it sounds like a damn good time.

Viper GTS

The thing in charlotte? Sounds epic. We will see if my dad wants to drive 600 miles with me...
 

RearAdmiral

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I don't see how offering it as an option would lessen the car at all. Options are not bad :p Why should you care how someone else configures his car?

Yes I understand what you mean, but I would have the same reaction I have to every automatic corvette I see. A sigh and a face palm. The car was never about options and that's why it has been so beloved. People were nearly aghast when it started to come with windows after all ha.

I care because I feel the car is meant for certain people who feel a certain way about driving. That is the driving being a pure as possible man+machine experience that isn't touched by computers or other techno-shenanigans.
 
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Changing from the V10? Blasphemy. A dual cluth paddle box? ewww....blasphemy. It is depressing enough that they are forced to stuff in the traction/stability controls. An automatic Viper would make me vomit. At least the value of my old man and I's would go up then.

Not blasphemy at all. The V10 is nice, but by no means is it particularly stupendous. Chrysler has V-8 crate engines that are probably better in just about every respect (lighter, more powerful, etc). They were seriously considering dropping it for a V-8 before. I like the V-10 but I'm not so in love with it that I would hate if they put a lighter more powerful V-8 that shares the same character (lots of power and lots of torque).

Did you read what I wrote? I said specifically no paddles and make it function like a manual but be able to operate like an auto (hell for that they could make it effectively just have like 2-3 gears, say first and second for lower speeds and sixth for highway cruising). You do realize sequential race transmissions are pretty close to what I'm talking about?

Plus, more and more, they need it to be able to function like an auto for sales and also just to keep competitive. Take the SLS, by using a dual-clutch auto, they were able to make it remain competitive, and I don't see how it is any less fun. If Dodge could do the same thing but give it a more manual feel (like using a stick instead of paddle shifters), I think it would get raved about and actually improve the image of the car. The only thing keeping you from using it as a manual is you so bitching about it would just be straight up stupid. But then that seems to be the standard when discussing stuff like this anymore (see solid rear axle on the Mustang, leaf springs on the Corvette).

The problem is, the Viper, despite its simplicity has always also been a world class performance car. If they don't change some they could very well lose that, and in the case of TC they have to do it just to sell the car in the first place. Its not the end of the world at all. If you have to have a barebones car like that then buy a kit Cobra and put a huge crate engine in it.

Yes, I realize the Viper is different, but I don't think it needs to be barbaric either. It never really has been that much so compared to its competition (even the original, its not like Lambos, Vettes, and Ferraris were exactly light years ahead on anything at the time). Part of the reason I stopped liking it as much is that it wasn't near the top in performance categories any more. It was still good, but it wasn't embarrassing $200,000+ Italian cars any more. It finally got better and returned to that with the ACR but the wing sucks and it would be practically unlivable to cruise in.

I honestly would not mind them making it more world class, its worked great for many others (Mustang, Vette, CTS-V), and those cars are every bit as fun as ever if not moreso.
 

Viper GTS

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There's more to the V10 than just the power output and the torque plateau (which could potentially be replicated with some sort of ecoboost V8 kind of thing).

The sound is unique (love it or hate it, it's uniquely Viper)
The oozing heat you feel in and around the car (love the shimmer off the hood on a cool day)
The absolutely effortless power delivery at low RPM

I'm not saying all of these things are good or even desirable but they are all part of what makes it a Viper. You can't fuck with the formula too much and still give it that name, enthusiasts will simply write it off.

People love it for more than just the way it looks and the performance - It has character.

Viper GTS
 

amish

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so the new C&D march issue has a small write up on the Viper. they state that it would have a V-10 that was more than 8.0 liters in displacement. with Ford's GT500 having 650hp they expect that the Viper will have close to 660. expected price is $94,500.

granted this is all speculation on C&D's part. they also had a "picture" of the car but it was a photo rendering so i'm not sure how acurate it would be.
 

TheHashmaster

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People love it for more than just the way it looks and the performance - It has character.

Viper GTS

+1

to me the viper is pure badassery in car form. it looks demonic and beautiful, it has ridiculous raw performance, and it has the sound of a 90 degree v-10, that no other car can create.