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2011 Shelby GT500 - Too much Car for my SO? *UPDATED WITH CAR PICS*

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AMDZen said:
Good thing I care about what people here think.

Mustangs blow. I can't believe you just compared the handling on a mustang to an M3. LOL.
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Well if you want to remain biased and compare handling between a 1996 Mustang and a 2012 M3, I guess I can see your point of view.
 
OCGuy said:
Interesting...I just did a NADA guide on a 2012 with all of the options this car we are getting has, and it says invoice is $56k with MSRP 62,500.
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So it's a convertible?

Not to be argumentative, but even if it is, you're still wrong. 62,500 MSRP for a 2012 Convertible includes every possible option, and the Recaros (1595 dollar option on 2012s) weren't available in 2011, plus the price for the SVT package went up in 2012.

Window sticker on a 2011 coupe with the SVT package ranges from around 53k (SVT PP as the only option) to around 57.5k (glass roof, nav, car cover). Invoice ranges from under 49k, to around 52k.
 
nicolaskl said:
So it's a convertible?
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Well I did say it was owned by my mother (female) and is being purchased by my girlfriend (female), so that can't be too shocking 😛 And yes it has every option.

I'm not sure if you are trying to talk me into thinking it isn't a good deal or not. It is a good deal, especially keeping the State out of it.

Considering we both work at the same place so we can keep the miles on my truck and park the GT500 during weekdays, it will hold value.
 
Throckmorton said:
EVERY FREAKING TIME.

Someone says the Mustang's solid axle sucks, and the response is "But it beat an M3 on a smooth track!"
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In this case someone was saying how today's Mustangs finally caught up to Euro and Japanese cars because it has IRS now instead of "antiquated suspensions"

LOL

I wonder how many people who currently hate on the Corvette would suddenly praise it as "finally being up to Euro and Japanese standards and finally getting a high tech motor and how it's so much more refined in our drive tests" if it had a "DOHC" sticker on it, even though they secretly left the LSx pushrod motor in it.

Just shows how ignorant people are when it comes to cars, engineering, and technology, and much of that ignorance is just plain badge snobbery.

One such "tech and brand snob" on another board commented once about the engine shot of a GT-R admiring the engine and how you can see the pistons and stuff and how it was so much better than crappy American engines. He was referring to the intake runners... that's what he thought were pistons.
 
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Throckmorton said:
EVERY FREAKING TIME.

Someone says the Mustang's solid axle sucks, and the response is "But it beat an M3 on a smooth track!"
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Does the sun of its parts equal the final product?
It turns into that because 90% of the time, it's you that brings it up. Instead thinking the Mustang is a blast to drive that can hold its own against the best.
 
OCGuy said:
Well I did say it was owned by my mother (female) and is being purchased by my girlfriend (female), so that can't be too shocking 😛 And yes it has every option.

I'm not sure if you are trying to talk me into thinking it isn't a good deal or not. It is a good deal, especially keeping the State out of it.

Considering we both work at the same place so we can keep the miles on my truck and park the GT500 during weekdays, it will hold value.
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No, I'm trying to make sure you know the facts.
 
So is it safe to assume that Euro v Asian v American in this sub-forum is comparable to Nvidia v AMD, AMD v Intel, PS3 v Xbox, and Apple v The World in the other sub-forums?
 
OCGuy said:
So is it safe to assume that Euro v Asian v American in this sub-forum is comparable to Nvidia v AMD, AMD v Intel, PS3 v Xbox, and Apple v The World in the other sub-forums?
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No doubt. Amazing cars built for handling, not power, have used solid rear axles, like the Lotus 7.

It's all a compromise. A solid rear axle is light, durable, simple and sacrifices some handling features like sway bars and toe-control links. An IRS is heavy, complex, expensive, requires 4 extra CV joints to spin, but has more features. Is the weight, expense, and complexity worth the improvement in handling? Ford says no, and makes a hell of a car with a solid rear axle.
 
JCH13 said:
No doubt. Amazing cars built for handling, not power, have used solid rear axles, like the Lotus 7.

It's all a compromise. A solid rear axle is light, durable, simple and sacrifices some handling features like sway bars and toe-control links. An IRS is heavy, complex, expensive, requires 4 extra CV joints to spin, but has more features. Is the weight, expense, and complexity worth the improvement in handling? Ford says no, and makes a hell of a car with a solid rear axle.
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You can have a sway bar with a solid axle. Most trucks do!

It's not a question of Ford being good at it and making a "hell of a car with a solid rear axle". Their solid axle has the same drawbacks as every single other one. It's inherent to the design. The main ones are the unsprung weight and more importantly that when one wheel cycles upward, the other wheel get tilted (positive camber). No, it doesn't matter on a smooth track, duh. But it does matter on real roads with real bumps. The Lotus 7 with its DeDion suspension does the same thing.

I'm tired of hearing "but it's really well engineered!" Car magazines said that about the FWD Honda Prelude, and it outsold the RWD 240sx which was a better platform. Now 20 years later, which car is in high demand from actual car enthusiasts?
 
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Learn something new every day I guess.

Consider this: the only time one would really need maximum performance from a car's suspension is on a smooth race track. On a real road no one should ever be driving their car so hard that they're remotely close to breaking traction if there's a bump in the road.
 
JCH13 said:
Learn something new every day I guess.

Consider this: the only time one would really need maximum performance from a car's suspension is on a smooth race track. On a real road no one should ever be driving their car so hard that they're remotely close to breaking traction if there's a bump in the road.
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Then why buy a musclecar to begin with? 99.999% of owners never go to track days... that's not even a "thing" in America like it is in Europe. OK, maybe a decent % of GT500 owners go to a drag strip, but even then they could build a dedicated drag car for a lot cheaper, if they aren't supposed to drive their Mustangs hard on the road.
 
Throckmorton said:
Then why buy a musclecar to begin with? 99.999% of owners never go to track days... that's not even a "thing" in America like it is in Europe. OK, maybe a decent % of GT500 owners go to a drag strip, but even then they could build a dedicated drag car for a lot cheaper, if they aren't supposed to drive their Mustangs hard on the road.
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Want, the foundation of consumerism.
 
Then why buy a musclecar to begin with? 99.999% of owners never go to track days... that's not even a "thing" in America like it is in Europe. OK, maybe a decent % of GT500 owners go to a drag strip, but even then they could build a dedicated drag car for a lot cheaper, if they aren't supposed to drive their Mustangs hard on the road.
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........Because they're more fun to drive than your basic car such as a Camry, Civic, etc. Mine is purely a toy, low mileage, totally modified, never raced at a track and rarely driven (less than 1000 miles per year). I bought it to be a toy, nothing more.

As for the solid vs IRS thing, unless you're racing at track with hairpin turns, the solid rear axle isn't an issue.
 
Throckmorton said:
Then why buy a musclecar to begin with?
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Because when you (just for example) roll up on me in daddy's new BMW or whatever smirking at me and acting like a jack ass thinking you are somebody I can just roll my eyes and destroy you by flexing my little toe and make you take the next exit with your tail tucked between your legs. :awe:

I'm a big believer in disproportionate retaliation to unsolicited aggression.

That's not the only reason, just one good one. 😀
 
OCGuy said:
The most powerful car she has driven is a new-edition Ford GT40, (can you tell we are Ford people?) which is quite a car. It was not hers though, it was her dad's that we were..uhh..."baby sitting" for a while.



Thank you for the info, I will pass this along to her.

Sadly her car will now be nicer than my max-tow 2010 F150, but at least our drive-way is getting an up-grade from her old one:

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Holy crap are you dating Danica Patrick?
 
After just getting back from a fun Sunday drive...all I can say is WOW. 102 on the freeway in 3rd is like butter. But I am more impressed with the every-day driving of it. Although it feels like it wants to go fast at all times, it is really smooth for standard (and legal) cruising. But when you want to get on it, the power is seemingly ready in any gear 1-4, at any RPM.

Any fears I had of my lady putting it into a wall are completely gone. What a machine!

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