2011 Camry V6 on the racetrack

satyajitmenon

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@ The Streets of Willow

http://youtu.be/1Vm6PNearEU#t=105s

Lots of tire squeeling.

Oh. And this was the end result. :p

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Guy has a Z4M Coupe and decides to take the grocery getter to the track instead. :awe:
 

halik

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Jesus fvck christ, he nearly ended up in the back end of that blue miata. The driver even waves him to pass, presumably because he doesn't wanna die.
 

Throckmorton

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I like when the passenger turns on the radio and he turns it off, then the passenger just looks at him.
 

satyajitmenon

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I think some cars were letting him pass em' out of disbelief. :p

Can you imagine driving your miata/s2000/etc around a track and you see a camry bearing down on you in your mirrors?
 

Black2na

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he was certainly driving the car like it was his RWD Z4M. asking the front tires to do WAY to much. thats the downside to a FF car it take a very different style then a MR or FR. my experence with racing against them in lemons they brake late and drive in a lilttle harder because you have to wait to get back on the throttle later to keep the lateral grip. unlike my MR car were i get all my braking done before the corner then throttle though way earlier then a FF car. then again i just think those tires were not up to the task! high wear all season do NOT handle race heat well at all as those pictures prove
 

manimal

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he was certainly driving the car like it was his RWD Z4M. asking the front tires to do WAY to much. thats the downside to a FF car it take a very different style then a MR or FR. my experence with racing against them in lemons they brake late and drive in a lilttle harder because you have to wait to get back on the throttle later to keep the lateral grip. unlike my MR car were i get all my braking done before the corner then throttle though way earlier then a FF car. then again i just think those tires were not up to the task! high wear all season do NOT handle race heat well at all as those pictures prove

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FF cars can handle well but his line sucked.
 

ShawnD1

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He's fast on the straights and late on the brakes with sharp turns, that doesn't a good driver make...
Isn't that what you're supposed to do? You go fast when you can, and you brake as late as possible. It would theoretically be faster than braking waaaaaaaay back.


I think of that every time someone bashes a modern family car.
(Accord, Camry, Altima) all with V6 are mighty quick.
Remember those 10 or 20 threads where I said my Corolla was slower 0-60 than a minivan? Big engine makes a big difference. Put that same minivan engine in a car and now we're getting somewhere :thumbsup:
 

Ferzerp

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I think of that every time someone bashes a modern family car.
(Accord, Camry, Altima) all with V6 are mighty quick.

Mighty quick when compared to old cars, but that's progress... They aren't mighty quick compared to other new cars you can get.
 

halik

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Isn't that what you're supposed to do? You go fast when you can, and you brake as late as possible. It would theoretically be faster than braking waaaaaaaay back.



Remember those 10 or 20 threads where I said my Corolla was slower 0-60 than a minivan? Big engine makes a big difference. Put that same minivan engine in a car and now we're getting somewhere :thumbsup:

You're supposed to accelerate thru the turn, if you're braking late you're using all your grip to steer the car and can't put any power down.

Slow drivers are fast on the straight, fast drivers and fast in the turns.
 

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You're supposed to accelerate thru the turn, if you're braking late you're using all your grip to steer the car and can't put any power down.

Slow drivers are fast on the straight, fast drivers and fast in the turns.

Just so the above statement doesn't confuse people:

Races are won and lost on the straights. The fastest way around a turn is NOT the fastest way around a racetrack.

As halik said, in general, you want to brake earlier (slow in), so that you can get on the gas earlier (fast out), to maximize the exit speed and maximize the time you spend "on the straight". Those that are fastest on the straight are fastest on the track.

This is, IMHO, the way to go with a track like the Streets of Willow where there are a lot of little straights, and a pretty long main straight. You use a bit different technique around the Bowl Turn, though the difference honestly is greater when going counterclockwise than clockwise.
 

halik

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Just so the above statement doesn't confuse people:


Races are won and lost on the straights. The fastest way around a turn is NOT the fastest way around a racetrack.


As halik said, in general, you want to brake earlier (slow in), so that you can get on the gas earlier (fast out), to maximize the exit speed and maximize the time you spend "on the straight". Those that are fastest on the straight are fastest on the track.

This is, IMHO, the way to go with a track like the Streets of Willow where there are a lot of little straights, and a pretty long main straight. You use a bit different technique around the Bowl Turn, though the difference honestly is greater when going counterclockwise than clockwise.

Well right, I will maintain that the fastest person through the corner is the fastest driver. Anyone cash mas the pedal/twist the grip on a straightaway. That blue Miata makes it to 60 in ~8.5 seconds, the camry in about ~6.1
 
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Well right, I will maintain that the fastest person through the corner is the fastest driver. Anyone cash mas the pedal/twist the grip on a straightaway. That blue Miata makes it to 60 in ~8.5 seconds, the camry in about ~6.1

No, what you maintain is incorrect here.

You can be faster through a corner and still slower through the track given equal vehicles.

Ideally, you want to maximize exit speed NOT cornering speed. The line that generally allows you to maximize exit speed this is not the fastest way around the corner.

Here's more info:

http://www.turnfast.com/tech_driving/driving_cornering

The objective in driving through a corner, or a series of corners, is to have the fastest possible speed at the exit of corner, or the last corner of a series. It is not necessarily to have the fastest speed going into the corner, nor even the fastest speed in the middle of the corner. The last corner exit before a straight is the most important segment. The speed of the exit determines the speed during and at the end of the straight. If you can increase the average speed of an entire straight, that will have greater impact that a faster average over the shorter distance of the entry to the turn, or through the turn itself.

To illustrate these concepts so far, the classic teaching aid is to look at a 90-degree bend. In the illustration below, the dotted line follows the path of the road. The solid line indicates a path which maximizes the radius of the turn, or attempts to make the turn as straight as possible. As you can see there is significant difference in the tightness of the turn which follows the even the outside of the road compared to one the which utilizes the whole width of the road surface.

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As mentioned, the objective in any corner is to have the highest exit speed. In addition to increasing the corner radius, this also involves taking a line which allows the earliest possible point of getting back into the throttle. To do this, the car must be straightening back out on the corner exit path as early as possible. We can modify the above corner line further to allow this.

The illustration below now shows the previously noted large radius path in the dotted line. The solid colored line shows a path known as the "late apex." This path moves forward the point at which the car reaches the corner apex. The late apex straightens out the exit path of the car, and therefore allows the driver to apply the accelerator earlier. This increases the exit speed, and in effect lengthens the straight which allows for higher speed at the end of the straight.

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While the geometric racing line is faster than the natural line of the road, there is still a faster technique for most corners. The technique is called using a late apex. By delaying the turn-in point, and beginning the turn with a slightly sharper bend, the car can be aimed to apex later than the geometric apex point. This straightens out the second part of the turn, allowing the driver to apply the accelerator earlier. The car will have to slow down a little more at the turn in phase, but exit speed will be higher. That exit speed gives the driver that much more speed on the straight which will result in lower lap times overall.