2011 Blackberry lineup

[DivideBYZero]

anyone who uses any internet at all should avoid bb like the plague and that includes bb's with bb6. i tried bb6 this weekend and it is almost as bad as bb5.

Stop trolling.

 

[gsaldivar]

Stop trolling.

Stop calling people who disagree with you "trolls".

 

[MrX8503]

Stop calling people who disagree with you "trolls".

That made me lol.

BB5 browser is bad, BB6 browser is decent. There was an improvement.

 

[yh125d]

Come on DBZ, people aren't hating on it because its RIM, they're hating on it because they're announcing a year late that in 9 months or so they will be roughly at parity with, say, Sammy/HTC's android lineup from last summer (evo/galaxy/etc)


New bold:
more ram - Huh? it already has 512, seems lke they're upgrading the wrong bit
higher res - maybe 720x540? Thats nice, but 2.5" is just waaaaaaay too small.
mobile hotspot + 720p video - Hello, droid incredible/evo

New curve:
"decent" screen
HSPA- havent phones had this for like 2 years?
5mp camera - groundbreaking
800mhz CPU - so, as fast as maybe the first 1ghz snapdragon phones, which started showing up in late 2009?

New torch:
1.2ghz - finally, something thats equal to current products. Except that by the time it's released it will probably be competing with apples A5 and android flagships running >1ghz tegras and dual cores or maybe some 1.5ghz single cores of various flavors.

640x480 - so, half the current iphone res?

built in storage - 8-16gb is common these days. if its like 32gb though that'd be very nice

New storm:
CPU - same as torch
800x480 display - was new back in early 2010



The fact is that nothing is new. Nothing we haven't seen or heard before, if not a dozen times before. Nothing innovative. Nothing unique. RIM is definitely coming a lot closer to the current with these expected devices, but it's definitely nothing revolutionary. Its ok to not be unique if you're doing the same thing everyone else is doing (all the 3.7-4.3" 800x480 1ghz android phones)


The fact is that even if these phones had been released last summer, they still would have only been on par.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

*yawn*

Have you used an OS6 BlackBerry?

yes, and it still sucks when compared to a 1st gen iphone.

out of all of these, the dakota intrigues me the most.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Why are people acting like dual-core phones are now suddenly mainstream? These are announced in very few products, and even fewer that you can actually get your hands on.

I'm actually glad these phones are single-core. Nobody publicly knows the effect of a dual-core processor on battery life since there are no publicly released phones on which to test.

I find this whole argument similar to that against Apple laptops: they use slower processors. However, the benefits of the platform and the focus on battery life is what draws most tech-savvy people. Why can people not see that for BlackBerry phones?

i don't.
i'd rather have a phone with a good battery life, with a cpu that sufficiently allows for a clean, smooth user experience.
no choppiness when scrolling, no lag when switching apps. basically everything my storm isn't.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Stop calling people who disagree with you "trolls".

If you keep coming into a thread to post the same thing you posted before for a reaction, it's trolling.

 

[MrX8503]

i don't.
i'd rather have a phone with a good battery life, with a cpu that sufficiently allows for a clean, smooth user experience.
no choppiness when scrolling, no lag when switching apps. basically everything my storm isn't.

Sounds like you should get an iPhone. lol

 

[DivideBYZero]

yes, and it still sucks when compared to a 1st gen iphone.

You're flat out wrong, IMHO. The OS6 Browser is very, very good. In fact it will re-format text all day and night when zooming, something even Safari still won't do.

 

[tokie]

anyone who uses any internet at all should avoid bb like the plague and that includes bb's with bb6. i tried bb6 this weekend and it is almost as bad as bb5.

You are a troll.

The BB6 browser is based on WebKit, which is the also used by iOS and Android devices. So a webpage will render the exact same on all three platforms. Speeds will obviously be different, but calling it "the plague" in a manner similar to BB5 implies that some ghastly version of an incomplete webpage will be displayed. This is incorrect.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Come on DBZ, people aren't hating on it because its RIM, they're hating on it because they're announcing a year late that in 9 months or so they will be roughly at parity with, say, Sammy/HTC's android lineup from last summer (evo/galaxy/etc)


New bold:
more ram - Huh? it already has 512, seems lke they're upgrading the wrong bit
higher res - maybe 720x540? Thats nice, but 2.5" is just waaaaaaay too small.
mobile hotspot + 720p video - Hello, droid incredible/evo

New curve:
"decent" screen
HSPA- havent phones had this for like 2 years?
5mp camera - groundbreaking
800mhz CPU - so, as fast as maybe the first 1ghz snapdragon phones, which started showing up in late 2009?

New torch:
1.2ghz - finally, something thats equal to current products. Except that by the time it's released it will probably be competing with apples A5 and android flagships running >1ghz tegras and dual cores or maybe some 1.5ghz single cores of various flavors.

640x480 - so, half the current iphone res?

built in storage - 8-16gb is common these days. if its like 32gb though that'd be very nice

New storm:
CPU - same as torch
800x480 display - was new back in early 2010



The fact is that nothing is new. Nothing we haven't seen or heard before, if not a dozen times before. Nothing innovative. Nothing unique. RIM is definitely coming a lot closer to the current with these expected devices, but it's definitely nothing revolutionary. Its ok to not be unique if you're doing the same thing everyone else is doing (all the 3.7-4.3" 800x480 1ghz android phones)


The fact is that even if these phones had been released last summer, they still would have only been on par.

So innovation is having bigger numbers? Come on, are you serious? Even Intel gave that game up years ago. The USP of a BlackBerry is the best keyboards and best messaging. These ARE unique, that you don't like them, and therfore don't value them, is pretty much all it's down to.

By your estimation the iPhone 4 is so out of date we may find one in rock formations.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Sounds like you should get an iPhone. lol

i would but work forces bb's on us and i don't see the point to having 2 phones.

i have a ipod touch 4g for my music/movie/mobile browsing needs.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

If you keep coming into a thread to post the same thing you posted before for a reaction, it's trolling.

im just letting everyone know the truth. web pages that take a few seconds to load on my 3gs take several minutes on a blackberry and thats if it doesnt lose the 3g connection in the process and stop loading entirely. so quit your lying about the "new" blackberrys, they are still horrible at internet compared to iphone and thats the truth. the only good thing about bb is decent battery life

 

[OBLAMA2009]

You are a troll.

The BB6 browser is based on WebKit, which is the also used by iOS and Android devices. So a webpage will render the exact same on all three platforms. Speeds will obviously be different, but calling it "the plague" in a manner similar to BB5 implies that some ghastly version of an incomplete webpage will be displayed. This is incorrect.

i went into the sprint store last weekend and it wasnt significantly better than bb5 and certainly still a lot slower than my iphone 3gs. webkit your mama, go try it yourself instead of parroting what the other bb orifice lickers here say, what theyve done in bb6 hasnt put them on par

 

[OBLAMA2009]

You are a troll.

The BB6 browser is based on WebKit, which is the also used by iOS and Android devices. So a webpage will render the exact same on all three platforms. Speeds will obviously be different, but calling it "the plague" in a manner similar to BB5 implies that some ghastly version of an incomplete webpage will be displayed. This is incorrect.

im not sure its a full webkit browser either. the sprint people call it "optimized".

 

[DivideBYZero]

im just letting everyone know the truth. web pages that take a few seconds to load on my 3gs take several minutes on a blackberry and thats if it doesnt lose the 3g connection in the process and stop loading entirely. so quit your lying about the "new" blackberrys, they are still horrible at internet compared to iphone and thats the truth. the only good thing about bb is decent battery life

You're just making it up then. I have a 3GS, a Storm2 and a Bold 9700 w/OS6. Name the sites you're talking about and I'll gladly make a video that I'll post on youtube with each of these rendering your pages.

And as for 'losing 3G in the process', I assume you mean on the iPhone 3GS, as that thing loses signal if you even breathe on it.

 

[DivideBYZero]

im not sure

FTFY. It's a full webkit browser.

 

[zsdersw]

i went into the sprint store last weekend and it wasnt significantly better than bb5 and certainly still a lot slower than my iphone 3gs. webkit your mama, go try it yourself instead of parroting what the other bb orifice lickers here say, what theyve done in bb6 hasnt put them on par

Yeah, because a few minutes in a Sprint store is a thorough analysis.

 

[yh125d]

So innovation is having bigger numbers? Come on, are you serious? Even Intel gave that game up years ago. The USP of a BlackBerry is the best keyboards and best messaging. These ARE unique, that you don't like them, and therfore don't value them, is pretty much all it's down to.

No, and that's not what I said. Bigger numbers IS what BB is doing here. and that's all. Bigger numbers and minor facelifts. No major redesigns, no NEW features.


You're right, all that BB has going for it is messaging and keyboards. (and a good foothold in the corporate market, although hemmorhaging rapidly)

Keyboard - The importance of a hardware keyboard has been dwindling the last few years, and it is less important now than ever. Sure, there's the droid/droid2, g1/g2, a handful more, but they're the minority now among smartphones

Messaging - BB faithful constantly talk about how awesome it is, but how many people really aren't satisfied with iOS/android's messaging systems?

By your estimation the iPhone 4 is so out of date we may find one in rock formations.

What are you smoking? When it came out it had a unique, brand new screen that noone else had (and still doesnt have). A new SOC which was as fast or faster as any other phone at the time, A front facing camera which was only available on one other phone that only came out a few weeks prior, new technology in facetime, what many people would consider the best or one of the best main cameras at the time, HD recording which was also pretty new, a major physical redesign (although with a much maligner external antenna), while thinner than the previous model. You're nuts if you see parallels between that this BB announcement

 

[OBLAMA2009]

You're just making it up then. I have a 3GS, a Storm2 and a Bold 9700 w/OS6. Name the sites you're talking about and I'll gladly make a video that I'll post on youtube with each of these rendering your pages.

And as for 'losing 3G in the process', I assume you mean on the iPhone 3GS, as that thing loses signal if you even breathe on it.

try huffingtonpost. i just tried it myself. four minutes after starting my blackberry still hasnt finished loading the page and i doubt it will be able to finish. 3gs finished long ago. one of the biggest problems with blackberry is the inability to maintain the connection or pick up the connection. at my house in the hills my blackberry will work for 5 minutes and then not work at all for 20. internet on my iphone works as well at my house as it does in my condo in downtown sf (i do sometimes get dropped calls though). and by the way my bb still hasnt downloaded the page, it has stopped/given up.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

Yeah, because a few minutes in a Sprint store is a thorough analysis.

i dont care what bb marketing and their paid bb shills like DivideBYZero say about their new "improvements", if it cant load the pages i need to see as well as my iphone thats the only test i need to do. i wont ever be buying another bb and anyone who would given the alternatives is a fool

 

[OBLAMA2009]

lets not forget that one of the only things that is keeping rim in the game is the fact that they basically give their phones away, which apple/droid dont

DivideBYZero must be hard at work making his videos, hopefully hes using a 32 gb iphone 4 cuz hes gonna run out of memory taping his blackberry

 

[DivideBYZero]

No, and that's not what I said. Bigger numbers IS what BB is doing here. and that's all. Bigger numbers and minor facelifts. No major redesigns, no NEW features.(5)


You're right, all that BB has going for it is messaging and keyboards. (and a good foothold in the corporate market, although hemmorhaging rapidly)(1)

Keyboard - The importance of a hardware keyboard has been dwindling the last few years, and it is less important now than ever. Sure, there's the droid/droid2, g1/g2, a handful more, but they're the minority now among smartphones (2)

Messaging - BB faithful constantly talk about how awesome it is, but how many people really aren't satisfied with iOS/android's messaging systems?(3)



What are you smoking? When it came out it had a unique, brand new screen that noone else had (and still doesnt have). A new SOC which was as fast or faster as any other phone at the time, A front facing camera which was only available on one other phone that only came out a few weeks prior, new technology in facetime, what many people would consider the best or one of the best main cameras at the time, HD recording which was also pretty new, a major physical redesign (although with a much maligner external antenna), while thinner than the previous model. You're nuts if you see parallels between that this BB announcement(4)

1) Really? Guess what, recent numbers put BB @ 81% of the corporate market. You're just making that up.

2) Only on iPhone. Android SW KB is terrible, I have one (2.2) and it sucks. The SW KB on my Storm2 owns Android's.

3) Plenty. My Wife, an Apple employee, can see it plain as day. The iPhone straight up sucks as a corporate email device, mostly due to the piss poor VPN implementation, lack of anything like a decent notification system. Then all the people that miss BBM. There is just nothing like BBM on any other device, period.

4) The iPhone 4 brought two things to the table; A high res screen and a new SoC(which is still ARM/PVR based, not groundbreaking as the Samsumg SoC is 99% the same). Nothing else. Front facing cameras have been in thousands of phones, even dumb phones, for YEARS. Nothing new. Facetime, wow, did you just call that "innovation"? Yeah, it's all new when Apple do it, but let me tell you video calling has been around longer than you have. Have you used it? I have, it's terrible. Laggy, pixelated and pointless. HD recording was an also ran(by your standards), and who cares if they changed how it looked? That's not innovation, if differentiation. It creates desire and therfore need. The only thing "innovative" about a case redisign is how it creates this desire in people who already have 98% of what this phone could do in the previous version, if you subtract the additional reception issues it introduced.

 

[DivideBYZero]

i dont care what bb marketing and their paid bb shills like DivideBYZero say about their new "improvements", if it cant load the pages i need to see as well as my iphone thats the only test i need to do. i wont ever be buying another bb and anyone who would given the alternatives is a fool

You're losing the argument if all you can do is call me a "shill" or a "bb orifice licker".

You're going to get your video. Huffintonpost it is.

 

[yh125d]

1) Really? Guess what, recent numbers put BB @ 81% of the corporate market. You're just making that up.

I guess i misinterpreted the data I saw (which showed RIM losing 6% of US marketshare over a quarter). The hemmorhaging must be on the consumer side then. My bad. Here, "...a good foothold in the corporate market, but a consumer sector that's hemmorhaging rapidly"

2) Only on iPhone. Android SW KB is terrible, I have one (2.2) and it sucks. The SW KB on my Storm2 owns Android's.

I would strongly disagree with you there. I feel android SWKB is quite good, and swype is even better. I've used the iphones a bit as well, and I would say androids is about as good. For every BB fan like you who has tried android and doesn't like the keyboard, there is an android user who is perfectly happy with it. Hell, on the flipside, I preferred the keyboards on my two WM6 HTC phones to the blackberry ones I've used (curve/torch). I don't see how BB's keyboards are all that special to begin with. But hey, I'm just one guy.

3) Plenty. My Wife, an Apple employee, can see it plain as day. The iPhone straight up sucks as a corporate email device, mostly due to the piss poor VPN implementation, lack of anything like a decent notification system. Then all the people that miss BBM. There is just nothing like BBM on any other device, period.

I never said that BB's messaging systems aren't good. I wouldn't know, haven't used them. What I said was that it seems that most android/iOS people are happy with their messaging systems. Keep in mind how few people even know what VPN support is, much less care about having it.

And BBM, which I'm sure is great, obviously isn't good enough to keep people from leaving the platform.

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4) The iPhone 4 brought two things to the table; A high res screen and a new SoC(which is still ARM/PVR based, not groundbreaking as the Samsumg SoC is 99% the same). Nothing else. Front facing cameras have been in thousands of phones, even dumb phones, for YEARS. Nothing new. Facetime, wow, did you just call that "innovation"? Yeah, it's all new when Apple do it, but let me tell you video calling has been around longer than you have. Have you used it? I have, it's terrible. Laggy, pixelated and pointless. HD recording was an also ran(by your standards), and who cares if they changed how it looked? That's not innovation, if differentiation. It creates desire and therfore need. The only thing "innovative" about a case redisign is how it creates this desire in people who already have 98% of what this phone could do in the previous version, if you subtract the additional reception issues it introduced. [/QUOTE]

I never said the SOC was groundbreaking, I said it was new. And competitive with what else was new at the time. What BB has announced is that in 9 months time they will have SOCs that are neither new nor competitive with what is new at that time.

How many modern smartphones were for sale with front facing cameras when iphone4 came out? Only the evo that I can think of, which was only 3 weeks old at that point. Maybe a couple japanese only brands too that noones heard of.

Again, I never said facetime was innovation, I said it was new. If nothing else it shows effort, that they were trying to bring something interesting to the table. RIM has shown very little or no effort the last couple years.

HD recording was old? Only ones I know of at that time were the evo/incredible, which came out 1-2 months earlier, HD2 I think, which was WM6.5 so noone gave a crap, nexus one didn't get it til later I think. Am I missing much?




Please, stop misquoting me and putting words in my mouth. The only thing I've said about innovation in this thread is that RIM isn't doing it.