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TehMac

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Nothing more I hate than retro cars. Why not make a new legend instead of living off past glory?

Because Muscle Cars like the Mustang weren't really designed and marketed for adults, they were marketed for teenagers and young'ns. Those youngn's who grew up without Mustangs want them now, and because a Shelby GT350 costs around 200k fully restored, some people want something that looks like what they wanted, but costs a 100 grand less.
 

overst33r

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Originally posted by: Elganja
Originally posted by: Zebo
Nothing more I hate than retro cars. Why not make a new legend instead of living off past glory?

From here:http://www.rsportscars.com/ford/2010-ford-shelby-gt500/

"Base Price: 2010 Ford Shelby GT500: Est. $45,000"

Give me a Modern Vette 40K and A&A Supercharger 5K = 600+HP road hugging whiplash performance over this any day.

I hate when people make this argument... you can take any POS, put a big motor in, supercharge it and make more power.

The fact it is you won't have a warranty and when motors aren't designed for a supercharger things can go wrong fast (or you will have to run so little PSI that it isn't worth it).

The corvette is a POS? That's a new one...

Hell I bet the corvette beats the shelby in STOCK form. No FI needed.
 

Elganja

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Originally posted by: mariok2006
Originally posted by: Elganja
Originally posted by: Zebo
Nothing more I hate than retro cars. Why not make a new legend instead of living off past glory?

From here:http://www.rsportscars.com/ford/2010-ford-shelby-gt500/

"Base Price: 2010 Ford Shelby GT500: Est. $45,000"

Give me a Modern Vette 40K and A&A Supercharger 5K = 600+HP road hugging whiplash performance over this any day.

I hate when people make this argument... you can take any POS, put a big motor in, supercharge it and make more power.

The fact it is you won't have a warranty and when motors aren't designed for a supercharger things can go wrong fast (or you will have to run so little PSI that it isn't worth it).

The corvette is a POS? That's a new one...

Hell I bet the corvette beats the shelby in STOCK form. No FI needed.

no my point is you can take a kia and do the same thing for cheaper...
 
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Originally posted by: TehMac
Originally posted by: Zebo
Nothing more I hate than retro cars. Why not make a new legend instead of living off past glory?

Because Muscle Cars like the Mustang weren't really designed and marketed for adults, they were marketed for teenagers and young'ns. Those youngn's who grew up without Mustangs want them now, and because a Shelby GT350 costs around 200k fully restored, some people want something that looks like what they wanted, but costs a 100 grand less.
Retro designs are meant to evoke some kind of nostalgia with the buying public. What nostalgia are you going to get from somebody <25 years old? Besides, with rare exception, all cars in every market segment is designed to sell to well-off 30+ year olds. The average buying age in the U.S. is well over 40 because that's where the money is.

With that said, the Mustang isn't that retro, especially with the recent updates. It has a pretty broad appeal. I only wish the 2010 came with new motors.
 

EvilHorace

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I've always liked that new body style since it came out in '05 and especially the new GT500s. At least it's finally becoming more available, affordable vs the '08 Shelby GT500KR (for example) which is unobtainable for most.

Seems that a few are bothered by the lack of an independent rear susp. but really, why, for cornering? It's not a rally car and how fast does one need to corner in a street car anyway?
 

TehMac

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Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Originally posted by: TehMac
Originally posted by: Zebo
Nothing more I hate than retro cars. Why not make a new legend instead of living off past glory?

Because Muscle Cars like the Mustang weren't really designed and marketed for adults, they were marketed for teenagers and young'ns. Those youngn's who grew up without Mustangs want them now, and because a Shelby GT350 costs around 200k fully restored, some people want something that looks like what they wanted, but costs a 100 grand less.
Retro designs are meant to evoke some kind of nostalgia with the buying public. What nostalgia are you going to get from somebody <25 years old? Besides, with rare exception, all cars in every market segment is designed to sell to well-off 30+ year olds. The average buying age in the U.S. is well over 40 because that's where the money is.

With that said, the Mustang isn't that retro, especially with the recent updates. It has a pretty broad appeal. I only wish the 2010 came with new motors.

If you read the rest of my post, I said the youth in the '60's who couldn't get those cars then, and can now, are interested. They want a part of their youth back.

Originally posted by: KnightBreed
With that said, the Mustang isn't that retro, especially with the recent updates. It has a pretty broad appeal. I only wish the 2010 came with new motors.

I agree with you there, however I have been reading that a 5.0L V8 is coming, along with a 3.5L V6 duo turbo. :D
 

Bignate603

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Does it have that lame solid axle in the back?

You drive a jeep with a solid front axle and you're worried about a solid rear axle?
 
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Originally posted by: TehMac
If you read the rest of my post, I said the youth in the '60's who couldn't get those cars then, and can now, are interested. They want a part of their youth back.
My bad. I read your whole post, just misunderstood it. I think we agree, then.

I agree with you there, however I have been reading that a 5.0L V8 is coming, along with a 3.5L V6 duo turbo. :D
With all the hype these ecoboost engines are getting, they better be damn good. Though I have to wonder why would Ford add both the 5.0L V8 and ecoboost V6 to the Mustang lineup. I bet we see only one of them.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: KnightBreed
With all the hype these ecoboost engines are getting, they better be damn good. Though I have to wonder why would Ford add both the 5.0L V8 and ecoboost V6 to the Mustang lineup. I bet we see only one of them.

ford has done specials before. i'm thinking the 5.0 would be around 335 for a normal GT and then have the TT 6 at 380+ as some sort of special. heck, call it an SVO.
 

zerocool84

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We'll see how much of an overweight/underperforming pig this one will be. The previous GT500 was rather dissapointing.

Also solid axle is perfect for Mustangs. People want to go fast in a straight line and that's where the solid axle shines.
 

TehMac

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
With all the hype these ecoboost engines are getting, they better be damn good. Though I have to wonder why would Ford add both the 5.0L V8 and ecoboost V6 to the Mustang lineup. I bet we see only one of them.

ford has done specials before. i'm thinking the 5.0 would be around 335 for a normal GT and then have the TT 6 at 380+ as some sort of special. heck, call it an SVO.

The 5.0L better bring more than just 335hp to the table. I'm thinking more like 400.

The Twin Turbo v6 is supposedly est at around 415hp. So I'd say the 5.0L better be in the same range.


Frankly, I'll take the TT. :p

provided it has the dual exhaust.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: TehMac
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
With all the hype these ecoboost engines are getting, they better be damn good. Though I have to wonder why would Ford add both the 5.0L V8 and ecoboost V6 to the Mustang lineup. I bet we see only one of them.

ford has done specials before. i'm thinking the 5.0 would be around 335 for a normal GT and then have the TT 6 at 380+ as some sort of special. heck, call it an SVO.

The 5.0L better bring more than just 335hp to the table. I'm thinking more like 400.

The Twin Turbo v6 is supposedly est at around 415hp. So I'd say the 5.0L better be in the same range.


Frankly, I'll take the TT. :p

provided it has the dual exhaust.

i think the 5 would replace the 4.6 in the GT, so i doubt it'll be anywhere near 400.

the 5.7 in the challenger makes 370 on 89 octane. 350 is tops for what i would expect for a mustang GT engine, especially if ford keeps with their 87 kick.

the tt v6 was shown as a concept at 415. who knows what the production peak is. it's only making 340 in the MKS/taurus (also 87 if ford doesn't break form).
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Elganja
Originally posted by: mariok2006
Originally posted by: Elganja
Originally posted by: Zebo
Nothing more I hate than retro cars. Why not make a new legend instead of living off past glory?

From here:http://www.rsportscars.com/ford/2010-ford-shelby-gt500/

"Base Price: 2010 Ford Shelby GT500: Est. $45,000"

Give me a Modern Vette 40K and A&A Supercharger 5K = 600+HP road hugging whiplash performance over this any day.

I hate when people make this argument... you can take any POS, put a big motor in, supercharge it and make more power.

The fact it is you won't have a warranty and when motors aren't designed for a supercharger things can go wrong fast (or you will have to run so little PSI that it isn't worth it).

The corvette is a POS? That's a new one...

Hell I bet the corvette beats the shelby in STOCK form. No FI needed.

no my point is you can take a kia and do the same thing for cheaper...

Your point is nonsense. You'd have to totally rebuild a Kia to make a vette.

New tranny, new differential, new motor, new suspension 100K at least and it's still a POS KIA.
 

thedarkwolf

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: TehMac
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
With all the hype these ecoboost engines are getting, they better be damn good. Though I have to wonder why would Ford add both the 5.0L V8 and ecoboost V6 to the Mustang lineup. I bet we see only one of them.

ford has done specials before. i'm thinking the 5.0 would be around 335 for a normal GT and then have the TT 6 at 380+ as some sort of special. heck, call it an SVO.

The 5.0L better bring more than just 335hp to the table. I'm thinking more like 400.

The Twin Turbo v6 is supposedly est at around 415hp. So I'd say the 5.0L better be in the same range.


Frankly, I'll take the TT. :p

provided it has the dual exhaust.

i think the 5 would replace the 4.6 in the GT, so i doubt it'll be anywhere near 400.

the 5.7 in the challenger makes 370 on 89 octane. 350 is tops for what i would expect for a mustang GT engine, especially if ford keeps with their 87 kick.

the tt v6 was shown as a concept at 415. who knows what the production peak is. it's only making 340 in the MKS/taurus (also 87 if ford doesn't break form).

I read somewhere the 340hp version was limited by the fwd/awd trans setup.
 

TehMac

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
i think the 5 would replace the 4.6 in the GT, so i doubt it'll be anywhere near 400.

the 5.7 in the challenger makes 370 on 89 octane. 350 is tops for what i would expect for a mustang GT engine, especially if ford keeps with their 87 kick.

the tt v6 was shown as a concept at 415. who knows what the production peak is. it's only making 340 in the MKS/taurus (also 87 if ford doesn't break form).

That's quite possible, but the 5.7L from Dodge is a Hemi, and this is probably wrong, but if I recall, their philosophy on engines was very big engines, Very much low end torque, and a decent amount of bhp from such a massive engine.

The 5.7L Hemi produces 375 bhp max, the 6.1L produces 425 max.

If Ford does limit themselves, then I guess 400 is out of range. Kind of pathetic I guess, but whatever.
 

Elganja

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Your point is nonsense. You'd have to totally rebuild a Kia to make a vette.

New tranny, new differential, new motor, new suspension 100K at least and it's still a POS KIA.

lol...you really have no clue. a vette's engine is nothing special. a vette's transmission is nothing special. a vette's suspension is nothing special (the Body of a vette on the other hand is more unique and is what makes the vette)

Combine the 3 (motor, trans, suspension) if you pay 100k then you should end your life for doing something so stupid.

and you still don't get it... you can make ANY car GO fast by MODIFYING it. The kia is just an example...you can name just about any car...
 

TehMac

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Yes, but it's not just about going fast. Look, I was thinking of doing some more mods for my car, putting in a V8, for example. But then I discovered I'd need to stiffen the Chassis, update my tires more often, and then after that, get new brakes which would help me cope better with the engine's power.

All this would cost somewhere around 30k at least. 30k. Why not just get a brand new Mustang for that? It looks better, (Kias, Hondas, and Toyotas generally aren't styled as sporty cars) and it looks classier. Also, each car has a statetment about it, it can tell people about you. If you drive a modded out Kia, people are not only going to think you're weird, they're also going to think you're a major toolbox for spending so much money on such a shitty car.

Also, you can make a car go faster, but many cars are limited by their shape and the general aerodynamic properties. Cars that can go fast because of their engines are different then cars with loads of fast engines. Case in point: Lotus: It's engineered from the ground up to be incredibly agile, good for power tracks, but it's powerplant is 1.7L to 3.0L (max I think).

Again, you can spend lots of money on a shitty car, or you could spend that money on a new, sporty car, or (here's an idea) save money up, and buy an even more sporty car later.

Or skip cars altogether.
 

Elganja

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Originally posted by: TehMac
Yes, but it's not just about going fast. Look, I was thinking of doing some more mods for my car, putting in a V8, for example. But then I discovered I'd need to stiffen the Chassis, update my tires more often, and then after that, get new brakes which would help me cope better with the engine's power.

All this would cost somewhere around 30k at least. 30k. Why not just get a brand new Mustang for that? It looks better, (Kias, Hondas, and Toyotas generally aren't styled as sporty cars) and it looks classier. Also, each car has a statetment about it, it can tell people about you. If you drive a modded out Kia, people are not only going to think you're weird, they're also going to think you're a major toolbox for spending so much money on such a shitty car.

Also, you can make a car go faster, but many cars are limited by their shape and the general aerodynamic properties. Cars that can go fast because of their engines are different then cars with loads of fast engines. Case in point: Lotus: It's engineered from the ground up to be incredibly agile, good for power tracks, but it's powerplant is 1.7L to 3.0L (max I think).

Again, you can spend lots of money on a shitty car, or you could spend that money on a new, sporty car, or (here's an idea) save money up, and buy an even more sporty car later.

Or skip cars altogether.

i think you missed who i was arguing with. One poster was saying he would not spend 45k on the mustang when he can just add a supercharger to a vette for the same price. my point, if you make that argument, you can make that argument for any car. There are a ton of cars that are cheap that can be made to go very fast very cheaply (fox body, gen1/gen2 ls1's, etc...)

fyi, I had a 99 Cobra Vert and a highly modified 03 Cobra (making 635rwhp and 587rwtq), I am a mustang fanboy but will probably never own another one again, too much money to go slow. I now have a hayabusa and enjoy going 9.0x's in the 1/4 mile for 14k (price of bike new + mods I added)
 

TehMac

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I see, well I sort of agree, but I see where you were coming from.
 

GoatMonkey

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The Corvette is not really in the same class as the Mustang. It's a smaller car with no back seat. You might as well say you could just get a motorcycle. It's a lot cheaper, faster, and gets better fuel economy.


 

EvilHorace

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Wow, this thread certainly went seriously OT.
Personally, I like the new Mustangs and many Corvettes too. It's not a matter of this or that, just buy them all and be happy ;)
 

maziwanka

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Originally posted by: Elganja
shelby gt500 != mustang cobra. The mustang cobra is dead...

The last Mustang Cobra there was the 03/04 model.

that car was seriously sweet. i love it
 

exar333

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Originally posted by: Elganja
Originally posted by: Zebo
Your point is nonsense. You'd have to totally rebuild a Kia to make a vette.

New tranny, new differential, new motor, new suspension 100K at least and it's still a POS KIA.

lol...you really have no clue. a vette's engine is nothing special. a vette's transmission is nothing special. a vette's suspension is nothing special (the Body of a vette on the other hand is more unique and is what makes the vette)

Combine the 3 (motor, trans, suspension) if you pay 100k then you should end your life for doing something so stupid.

and you still don't get it... you can make ANY car GO fast by MODIFYING it. The kia is just an example...you can name just about any car...

Against my better judgement, I will respond to this comment.

You sir, have not a clue. The "vette engine" as you state IS something special. Besides great HP and TQ, the newer corvette engines are amoung some of the best engines ever built, period. Don't give me that crap about them not being special, they are damn fine engineered machines. Ever wonder why people mod all kinds of cars to put these engines in them?

You really can't get a production car with the equipment of a corvette, at a similar price point. It is an amazing value.
 

geno

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Originally posted by: Raduque

3.5l is too small. That's a little over 210 cubes.

Mustangs need moar cubes!

Considering the 289 is a legendary Mustang motor, I'd disagree and say the 'Stangs aren't all about the cubes ;)