2010 M5 vs 2010 CTS-V drag race

[Q]

Sort of repost, but not really since the other thread was just text (at least OP was, I didn't read all 70 posts)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ViN_qs&feature=channel

 

[RKS]

:thumbsup:

No audio at work but the Caddy is really growing on me.

edit: The exterior of the Caddy seems a lot nicer to me. I would still drive both to determine whether the 'road feel' is worth the premium the BMW commands.

 

[Q]

Originally posted by: RKS
:thumbsup:

No audio at work but the Caddy is really growing on me.

edit: The exterior of the Caddy seems a lot nicer to me. I would still drive both to determine whether the 'road feel' is worth the premium the BMW commands.

Ditto on the exterior, looks much cooler to me as well. Classy and has personality

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

It's closer than I would have expected, actually. I don't love either car - I have never liked the E60 as well as the E39, and the CTS-V is a little blingy for my personal taste - but if I were to buy one it might well be the Cadillac. (That's probably the closest I'll ever come to endorsing a Caddy in a Cadillac v. BMW matchup!)

 

[Arkaign]

This has been done, and comparing the now somewhat antiquated (this 5-series gen started in 2003) E60 M5 vs. the 2nd-gen CTS-V is a little off.

http://www.motortrend.com/feat...s_v8_engine/index.html

http://www.autoblog.com/tag/2011+5+series/

Check back after BMW has something contemporary to offer. This should take nothing away from the outstanding CTS-V, however.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
This has been done, and comparing the now somewhat antiquated (this 5-series gen started in 2003) E60 M5 vs. the 2nd-gen CTS-V is a little off.

http://www.motortrend.com/feat...s_v8_engine/index.html

http://www.autoblog.com/tag/2011+5+series/

Check back after BMW has something contemporary to offer. This should take nothing away from the outstanding CTS-V, however.

BMW is really gonna have to do their homework if they want to out-do the CTS-V

 

[woodie1]

A 6 year old BMW against the latest from Cadillac. Wait for the new M5.

 

[GTaudiophile]

If this is an indication of where BMW is going with the next 5, who cares how good it performs?

FUGLY: http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard...esGT/ImageGallery.aspx

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
This has been done, and comparing the now somewhat antiquated (this 5-series gen started in 2003) E60 M5 vs. the 2nd-gen CTS-V is a little off.

http://www.motortrend.com/feat...s_v8_engine/index.html

http://www.autoblog.com/tag/2011+5+series/

Check back after BMW has something contemporary to offer. This should take nothing away from the outstanding CTS-V, however.

The E60 M5 was introduced in 2005.

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: woodie1
A 6 year old BMW against the latest from Cadillac. Wait for the new M5.

You can play that game between the two every generation. The point is that Cadillac made a HUGE leap with the new CTSv

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: Arkaign
This has been done, and comparing the now somewhat antiquated (this 5-series gen started in 2003) E60 M5 vs. the 2nd-gen CTS-V is a little off.

http://www.motortrend.com/feat...s_v8_engine/index.html

http://www.autoblog.com/tag/2011+5+series/

Check back after BMW has something contemporary to offer. This should take nothing away from the outstanding CTS-V, however.

The E60 M5 was introduced in 2005.

Yes, but the E60 platform started in '03.

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: woodie1
A 6 year old BMW against the latest from Cadillac. Wait for the new M5.

You can play that game between the two every generation. The point is that Cadillac made a HUGE leap with the new CTSv

Yes they did, but the 1G CTS-V was still not up to the challenge vs. the E60 M5. The 2G CTS-V is a truly epic improvement.

With a twin-turbo on tap (wide powerband with loads of torque starting at low RPM, if expectations are correct), it would be shocking if the new 2011 M5 doesn't one-up the CTS-V once again. And it should, considering the price difference. The CTS-V is one hell of a bargain for the kind of performance it brings to the table.

With GM's troubles, and with CAFE, and a questionable global economy, I think they are both pretty obscure in terms of sales, with this gen of CTS-V likely to be the last.

 

[Kadarin]

The CTS-V is technically a great car, but I just can't get past the weird styling.

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: Arkaign
This has been done, and comparing the now somewhat antiquated (this 5-series gen started in 2003) E60 M5 vs. the 2nd-gen CTS-V is a little off.

http://www.motortrend.com/feat...s_v8_engine/index.html

http://www.autoblog.com/tag/2011+5+series/

Check back after BMW has something contemporary to offer. This should take nothing away from the outstanding CTS-V, however.

The E60 M5 was introduced in 2005.

Yes, but the E60 platform started in '03.

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: woodie1
A 6 year old BMW against the latest from Cadillac. Wait for the new M5.

You can play that game between the two every generation. The point is that Cadillac made a HUGE leap with the new CTSv

Yes they did, but the 1G CTS-V was still not up to the challenge vs. the E60 M5. The 2G CTS-V is a truly epic improvement.

With a twin-turbo on tap (wide powerband with loads of torque starting at low RPM, if expectations are correct), it would be shocking if the new 2011 M5 doesn't one-up the CTS-V once again. And it should, considering the price difference. The CTS-V is one hell of a bargain for the kind of performance it brings to the table.

With GM's troubles, and with CAFE, and a questionable global economy, I think they are both pretty obscure in terms of sales, with this gen of CTS-V likely to be the last.

My fault, I thought you meant the M5.

If the last gen's depreciation tells any stories, I can't wait to pick up a CTS-V in the future.

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: woodie1
A 6 year old BMW against the latest from Cadillac. Wait for the new M5.

You can play that game between the two every generation. The point is that Cadillac made a HUGE leap with the new CTSv

And in 3 years you can own one for $30K.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: woodie1

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: woodie1
A 6 year old BMW against the latest from Cadillac. Wait for the new M5.

You can play that game between the two every generation. The point is that Cadillac made a HUGE leap with the new CTSv

And in 3 years you can own one for $30K.

I see nothing wrong with that

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: woodie1

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: woodie1
A 6 year old BMW against the latest from Cadillac. Wait for the new M5.

You can play that game between the two every generation. The point is that Cadillac made a HUGE leap with the new CTSv

And in 3 years you can own one for $30K.

I see nothing wrong with that

Point taken, and good luck.

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: Kadarin
The CTS-V is technically a great car, but I just can't get past the weird styling.

To each his own. I like the styling. I've seen a few in person and they look even better up close.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

lol the m5 didn't need to be "redesigned" w/ a new platform because the 1G cts-v didn't give it any competition. bmw decided to save some cash and maybe they can go all out on the next gen m5. gm blew millions into making a 2g cts-v that can beat the oldie m5 from 03, with BMW "leading" the luxury pact w/ best luxury car manufacture, i'm sure they are capable of making a car that will beat out the fairly recent 2G cts-v.

all in all, the pure classiness of the M-class cars from BMW, i would give up that 1% of performance to the cts-v. if you've ever driven a BMW, you will know what a pure driving experience feels like. no wonder people are willing to shell out $40k for a compact car and 70k for a midsized car smaller than an accord

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
lol the m5 didn't need to be "redesigned" w/ a new platform because the 1G cts-v didn't give it any competition. bmw decided to save some cash and maybe they can go all out on the next gen m5. gm blew millions into making a 2g cts-v that can beat the oldie m5 from 03, with BMW "leading" the luxury pact w/ best luxury car manufacture, i'm sure they are capable of making a car that will beat out the fairly recent 2G cts-v.

all in all, the pure classiness of the M-class cars from BMW, i would give up that 1% of performance to the cts-v. if you've ever driven a BMW, you will know what a pure driving experience feels like. no wonder people are willing to shell out $40k for a compact car and 70k for a midsized car smaller than an accord

*sigh*.

You're like ZaneJohnson, minus the small modicum of likability and humor.

The current M5 premiered in '05, based on a platform that began in '03. For it to still be so competitive with the 2G CTS-V is indeed impressive, particularly looking at the gigantic piece of missing torque between the two (something like 380tq on the M5 vs. 550 on the Caddy?).

I as well would prefer to own an E60 M5 to a 2G CTS-V, but it's worth noting the spectacularly good package that Caddy has put together, and at a very good price.

BMW continues to put out winners (though I'm no fan of their SUV's other than the X5), I'm looking forward to the 2011 5-series. Hopefully Cadillac can continue to offer good competition.

I'd EASILY take the CTS-V over any Mercedes or Audi product (outside of possibly the R8 or AMG Black edition SL).

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
i'm sure they are capable of making a car that will beat out the fairly recent 2G cts-v.

I'm sure they can too. It will just cost $50k more than the CTS-V rather than $30k more. It's easy to make an amazing car if you don't put a limit on the cost. It's harder to make a great car that comes in at 2/3rds the cost of the competition. BMW makes awesome cars but they often chose more complex and costly solutions. It makes for a great car to look at and drive, but it doesn't come cheap. GM has shown that you can get the performance for less. If BMW is learning from its competitors it will have to learn how to get to that performance level without the current price premium. Otherwise they'll start losing market share. Honestly, with extra competition the driver is the person who wins so this is good for us.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

I'm not sure what all this 6 years crap is. The current 5-series came out in 2003 as an '04 model. The current CTS came out in 2007 as an '08. That's 4 years. Moreover, the M5 came out in 2005. The CTS-V in 2008. That's 3 years.

So are all the BMW homers planning a circle jerk for 2011 (2012?) when the next-gen M5 beats the 3 or 4 year old CTS-V? Maybe an ATOT meet?!

 

[LOUISSSSS]

i agree w/ the good for pricing competition where the cts-v would (hopefully) drive down the price of the M5, but it doesn't look like it. people that like to drive BMW's (for w/e reason) will still buy the m5/m3. people that are willing to sacrifice some better driving will get the cts-v. so far the m5 is winning by sales even though its more expensive.

and for 2011, we're hoping that gm will have a new cts-v out that will be a match for the m5. doubt it though... gm doesn't look like its going places.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed
I'm not sure what all this 6 years crap is. The current 5-series came out in 2003 as an '04 model. The current CTS came out in 2007 as an '08. That's 4 years. Moreover, the M5 came out in 2005. The CTS-V in 2008. That's 3 years.

So are all the BMW homers planning a circle jerk for 2011 (2012?) when the next-gen M5 beats the 3 or 4 year old CTS-V? Maybe an ATOT meet?!

It's the way it always is though, newer should be better, and when it is, it is celebrated. When you have a car as a benchmark, as the M5 clearly was for the 'V' team at Caddy, it's pretty important to meet that goal. They did it with the 2G, and now of course BMW has time to come back with an improved product. When that happens, it will be important to note the CTS-V is several years old at the time of that comparison. I expect it to hold up pretty well powerwise and in straight-line speed, but perhaps a notch down on track duty.

At the end of the day, even an E39 M5 or 1G CTS-V is a pretty epic car, they have near-supercar performance with 4 doors and relative comfort.

I think the reaction to this OP was that why on earth are we re-hashing this comparo for the 2010 models? We knew when the 2G CTS-V debuted that head-to-head testing showed it to finally be the victor over the E60 M5. Nothing has changed. A 2008 M5 vs. a 2008 CTS-V provides identical results.

It's sort of like someone posting an article showing the 2005 350Z is slower than a 2005 Corvette. First, it's like 'no shit', and second, 'what year is this?'.

 

[Bignate603]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
people that are willing to sacrifice some better driving will get the cts-v. so far the m5 is winning by sales even though its more expensive.

Sacrifice better driving? Motor trend prefers the CTS-V over the M5 on the road course (video). The CTS-V beats the M5 in a straight line too. How exactly are you giving up better driving?

Also, the CTS-V tends towards letting the rear end slide out at the limit as you give it power. The M5 scrubs the front end. From an enjoyment standpoint its just more fun to power through the turns and slide the rear end than have the front lose traction.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
people that are willing to sacrifice some better driving will get the cts-v. so far the m5 is winning by sales even though its more expensive.

Sacrifice better driving? Motor trend prefers the CTS-V over the M5 on the road course (video). The CTS-V beats the M5 in a straight line too. How exactly are you giving up better driving?

Also, the CTS-V tends towards letting the rear end slide out at the limit as you give it power. The M5 scrubs the front end. From an enjoyment standpoint its just more fun to power through the turns and slide the rear end than have the front lose traction.

Watching that video made me cringe. A single hot lap in each car? I thought he butchered it with both. And he was using traction control in both cars, total amateur hour.

Don't get me wrong, I think pro drivers in each car, with times averaged, and traction control off, the CTS-V should still come out on top, but ye gads that was painful to watch.

I also believe that the M5 Auto should actually come out a little faster than the 6MT model, as the shifting from SMG-III is far too quick for even an expert racer to match. And with the shlub they had driving those two cars, I think if he had been given an SMG-equipped M5, he might have even beaten the time of the 6MT CTS-V.