2009 NBA Finals

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Oh dude give me a break. I know you are a lakers fan but you HAVE to admit that they got 90% of the calls toward the end of the 4th qtr and in overtime. Ariza raped hedo for a good 4 - 5 minutes and then they finally called it when it didnt matter. Pathetic.

The refs didnt matter. Unless Steve Javey caused the 20 turnovers for the Magic, or made Lee miss the wide open shot (Pau didnt change the shot at all).


If the refs really wanted to make a bad call to win the game for the Lakers, they could have easily called the last Laker's play. Even though it was a clean block, we have seen worse calls.

The call where Kobe didnt even touch the ball after it was knocked out of his hands during a crucial part of the game was bad. Not calling goaltending on Howard was bad.

These playoffs have been bad all around as far as officiating. I have posts in this thread that slam the ref's for making it extremely hard on ORL against CLE.

At the end of the day, Orlando lost it themselves.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: Baked
Funny as hell diary/column by Bill Simmons on last night's game. Must read.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn...ns/090608&sportCat=nba

This guy, Bill Simmons, he's an ESPN guy? He's really laying into those ESPN announcers. Yeah, they sucked.

 

[cheezy321]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Oh dude give me a break. I know you are a lakers fan but you HAVE to admit that they got 90% of the calls toward the end of the 4th qtr and in overtime. Ariza raped hedo for a good 4 - 5 minutes and then they finally called it when it didnt matter. Pathetic.

The refs didnt matter. Unless Steve Javey caused the 20 turnovers for the Magic, or made Lee miss the wide open shot (Pau didnt change the shot at all).


If the refs really wanted to make a bad call to win the game for the Lakers, they could have easily called the last Laker's play. Even though it was a clean block, we have seen worse calls.

The call where Kobe didnt even touch the ball after it was knocked out of his hands during a crucial part of the game was bad. Not calling goaltending on Howard was bad.

These playoffs have been bad all around as far as officiating. I have posts in this thread that slam the ref's for making it extremely hard on ORL against CLE.

At the end of the day, Orlando lost it themselves.

The game was lost by the Magic, no doubt about it.

The main beef I had with the game was how Ariza was allowed to be all over Hedo for a good 4 minutes in the game. The referees definitely determine the pace of the game, and that call should have happened the first time Ariza blatantly pushed himself thru a pick all while fouling Hedo in the process. They wait until the 6-8th Magic possession that he does this to call it. It just sets the pace and turns the game into something I don't really want to watch. They could have stopped it right away, but instead they decide to finally call what hes been doing when it doesnt even matter. Just annoys me.

 

[cheezy321]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Baked
Funny as hell diary/column by Bill Simmons on last night's game. Must read.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn...ns/090608&sportCat=nba

This guy, Bill Simmons, he's an ESPN guy? He's really laying into those ESPN announcers. Yeah, they sucked.

The reason I like Bill Simmons so much is that he writes like a fan of the game would. ESPN seems to give him a lot of room to speak in his blogs, which I definitely respect. You should read all of his articles, they are great! :thumbsup:

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Oh dude give me a break. I know you are a lakers fan but you HAVE to admit that they got 90% of the calls toward the end of the 4th qtr and in overtime. Ariza raped hedo for a good 4 - 5 minutes and then they finally called it when it didnt matter. Pathetic.

The refs didnt matter. Unless Steve Javey caused the 20 turnovers for the Magic, or made Lee miss the wide open shot (Pau didnt change the shot at all).


If the refs really wanted to make a bad call to win the game for the Lakers, they could have easily called the last Laker's play. Even though it was a clean block, we have seen worse calls.

The call where Kobe didnt even touch the ball after it was knocked out of his hands during a crucial part of the game was bad. Not calling goaltending on Howard was bad.

These playoffs have been bad all around as far as officiating. I have posts in this thread that slam the ref's for making it extremely hard on ORL against CLE.

At the end of the day, Orlando lost it themselves.

The game was lost by the Magic, no doubt about it.

The main beef I had with the game was how Ariza was allowed to be all over Hedo for a good 4 minutes in the game. The referees definitely determine the pace of the game, and that call should have happened the first time Ariza blatantly pushed himself thru a pick all while fouling Hedo in the process. They wait until the 6-8th Magic possession that he does this to call it. It just sets the pace and turns the game into something I don't really want to watch. They could have stopped it right away, but instead they decide to finally call what hes been doing when it doesnt even matter. Just annoys me.

Actually, to be fair, Hedo was blocking off Ariza with his non-dribbling arm most of that time, too. I was surprised either them weren't getting called for fouls. Ariza was all over him, and Hedo was pushing him away with his forearm the whole time.

In that Simmons article, which I read earlier today, he said something about Fischer taking 5 steps before dribbling the ball towards the end of OT and not getting called for walking. Anybody seen a video of this? I didn't see it during the game last night, and am curious what it looks like.

 

[HopJokey]

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Baked
Funny as hell diary/column by Bill Simmons on last night's game. Must read.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn...ns/090608&sportCat=nba

This guy, Bill Simmons, he's an ESPN guy? He's really laying into those ESPN announcers. Yeah, they sucked.

The reason I like Bill Simmons so much is that he writes like a fan of the game would. ESPN seems to give him a lot of room to speak in his blogs, which I definitely respect. You should read all of his articles, they are great! :thumbsup:

Yep he is the best. You don't read him for expert analysis or outstanding journalism (although sometimes he provides those), but for humor and pure entertainment (especially the podcasts and mailbags)!

ESPN does give him a lot of rope, but they are really really holding him back. Last summer he had a tift with ESPN after they hired Riley.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: HopJokey

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Baked
Funny as hell diary/column by Bill Simmons on last night's game. Must read.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn...ns/090608&sportCat=nba

This guy, Bill Simmons, he's an ESPN guy? He's really laying into those ESPN announcers. Yeah, they sucked.

The reason I like Bill Simmons so much is that he writes like a fan of the game would. ESPN seems to give him a lot of room to speak in his blogs, which I definitely respect. You should read all of his articles, they are great! :thumbsup:

Yep he is the best. You don't read him for expert analysis or outstanding journalism (although sometimes he provides those), but for humor and pure entertainment (especially the podcasts and mailbags)!

ESPN does give him a lot of rope, but they are really really holding him back. Last summer he had a tift with ESPN after they hired Riley.

The great thing about being loved as a journalist is the slack the ties have to give you. Go Bill. Another great sports writer is Scott Ostler of the S.F. Chronicle. He's really funny.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: her209
Why did they throw it to Odom???

That was a mistake... but, he did hit the FTs. The Lakers were damn lucky. They didn't play nearly as well as Thursday. That alley-oop inbounds pass with 0.6 seconds to play should have gone down and it would be 1-1. The Lakers went to sleep on that one. That pass to the basket is priority number one to defend. Outside of 10', you have to figure it's probably a long shot with 0.6 left.

I had around 10 looks at that inbounds play a few minutes ago and it's clear to me that Lee got open by virtue of a moving screen. It was blatant. The refs missed a whole lot of calls last night.

 

[HopJokey]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: her209
Why did they throw it to Odom???

That was a mistake... but, he did hit the FTs. The Lakers were damn lucky. They didn't play nearly as well as Thursday. That alley-oop inbounds pass with 0.6 seconds to play should have gone down and it would be 1-1. The Lakers went to sleep on that one. That pass to the basket is priority number one to defend. Outside of 10', you have to figure it's probably a long shot with 0.6 left.

I had around 10 looks at that inbounds play a few minutes ago and it's clear to me that Lee got open by virtue of a moving screen. It was blatant. The refs missed a whole lot of calls last night.

Watch the replay, that shot is harder than it looks.

He was behind the backboard and running really fast towards the seats.

 

[HopJokey]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: HopJokey

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Baked
Funny as hell diary/column by Bill Simmons on last night's game. Must read.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn...ns/090608&sportCat=nba

This guy, Bill Simmons, he's an ESPN guy? He's really laying into those ESPN announcers. Yeah, they sucked.

The reason I like Bill Simmons so much is that he writes like a fan of the game would. ESPN seems to give him a lot of room to speak in his blogs, which I definitely respect. You should read all of his articles, they are great! :thumbsup:

Yep he is the best. You don't read him for expert analysis or outstanding journalism (although sometimes he provides those), but for humor and pure entertainment (especially the podcasts and mailbags)!

ESPN does give him a lot of rope, but they are really really holding him back. Last summer he had a tift with ESPN after they hired Riley.

The great thing about being loved as a journalist is the slack the ties have to give you. Go Bill. Another great sports writer is Scott Ostler of the S.F. Chronicle. He's really funny.

Ostler is definitely good. I like Ray Ratto as well.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: HopJokey

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: HopJokey

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Baked
Funny as hell diary/column by Bill Simmons on last night's game. Must read.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn...ns/090608&sportCat=nba

This guy, Bill Simmons, he's an ESPN guy? He's really laying into those ESPN announcers. Yeah, they sucked.

The reason I like Bill Simmons so much is that he writes like a fan of the game would. ESPN seems to give him a lot of room to speak in his blogs, which I definitely respect. You should read all of his articles, they are great! :thumbsup:

Yep he is the best. You don't read him for expert analysis or outstanding journalism (although sometimes he provides those), but for humor and pure entertainment (especially the podcasts and mailbags)!

ESPN does give him a lot of rope, but they are really really holding him back. Last summer he had a tift with ESPN after they hired Riley.

The great thing about being loved as a journalist is the slack the ties have to give you. Go Bill. Another great sports writer is Scott Ostler of the S.F. Chronicle. He's really funny.

Ostler is definitely good. I like Ray Ratto as well.

I really like Ratto sometimes. Occasionally I can't stand him. Haven't read either in a couple of months since I canceled my subscription. I subscribed to the Oakland Tribune. Couldn't refuse 52 weeks for $20!

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: HopJokey

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Baked
Funny as hell diary/column by Bill Simmons on last night's game. Must read.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn...ns/090608&sportCat=nba

This guy, Bill Simmons, he's an ESPN guy? He's really laying into those ESPN announcers. Yeah, they sucked.

The reason I like Bill Simmons so much is that he writes like a fan of the game would. ESPN seems to give him a lot of room to speak in his blogs, which I definitely respect. You should read all of his articles, they are great! :thumbsup:

Yep he is the best. You don't read him for expert analysis or outstanding journalism (although sometimes he provides those), but for humor and pure entertainment (especially the podcasts and mailbags)!

ESPN does give him a lot of rope, but they are really really holding him back. Last summer he had a tift with ESPN after they hired Riley.

I dunno, I find that underneath his humor Simmons is a pretty bright guy who can see through a lot of the bullshit in professional sports. I think his continued campaign against NBA referees, for instance, is spot-on and I completely agree with him revamping the officiating crews will be expedited the more people become aware of how f-ing awful the officials truly are.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: HopJokey

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: her209
Why did they throw it to Odom???

That was a mistake... but, he did hit the FTs. The Lakers were damn lucky. They didn't play nearly as well as Thursday. That alley-oop inbounds pass with 0.6 seconds to play should have gone down and it would be 1-1. The Lakers went to sleep on that one. That pass to the basket is priority number one to defend. Outside of 10', you have to figure it's probably a long shot with 0.6 left.

I had around 10 looks at that inbounds play a few minutes ago and it's clear to me that Lee got open by virtue of a moving screen. It was blatant. The refs missed a whole lot of calls last night.

Watch the replay, that shot is harder than it looks.

He was behind the backboard and running really fast towards the seats.

Hard to say. Some players make that kind of shot routinely. I don't know why some players make what seem to be insanely difficult layups and others clunk them. Maybe the same player, just a different situation. It surprised me when he missed that. I'm not saying he should have made it. My observation is that he only got the opportunity because of a moving screen that shed his defender.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: HopJokey

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Baked
Funny as hell diary/column by Bill Simmons on last night's game. Must read.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn...ns/090608&sportCat=nba

This guy, Bill Simmons, he's an ESPN guy? He's really laying into those ESPN announcers. Yeah, they sucked.

The reason I like Bill Simmons so much is that he writes like a fan of the game would. ESPN seems to give him a lot of room to speak in his blogs, which I definitely respect. You should read all of his articles, they are great! :thumbsup:

Yep he is the best. You don't read him for expert analysis or outstanding journalism (although sometimes he provides those), but for humor and pure entertainment (especially the podcasts and mailbags)!

ESPN does give him a lot of rope, but they are really really holding him back. Last summer he had a tift with ESPN after they hired Riley.

I dunno, I find that underneath his humor Simmons is a pretty bright guy who can see through a lot of the bullshit in professional sports. I think his continued campaign against NBA referees, for instance, is spot-on and I completely agree with him revamping the officiating crews will be expedited the more people become aware of how f-ing awful the officials truly are.

I personally think the umps in baseball are tremendously worse than they used to be. They used to honor the strike zone. Nowadays the announcers say things like "he's been consistent with his strike zone all day," to excuse an obviously terrible call. They never used to say things like that. Used to be, if the ball didn't cross over the plate it was not a strike.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Baked
Funny as hell diary/column by Bill Simmons on last night's game. Must read.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn...ns/090608&sportCat=nba

:laugh:

Bitter Celtics fans are worse than anyone else I think. Utah Jazz fans are pretty bad as well...

Oh dude give me a break. I know you are a lakers fan but you HAVE to admit that they got 90% of the calls toward the end of the 4th qtr and in overtime. Ariza raped hedo for a good 4 - 5 minutes and then they finally called it when it didnt matter. Pathetic.

Told you guys ... you didn't listen lakers have the refs in the back pocket, always have, always will.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Phokus


Told you guys ... you didn't listen lakers have the refs in the back pocket, always have, always will.

The bitter Kobe Hater dares to show his face right now? I was thinking you would wait until the Lakers choked and let ORL back in the series, or that you would just disappear forever.

Of course you dont show up when Kobe drops 40 in an all-time performance :laugh:

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Phokus


Told you guys ... you didn't listen lakers have the refs in the back pocket, always have, always will.

The bitter Kobe Hater dares to show his face right now? I was thinking you would wait until the Lakers choked and let ORL back in the series, or that you would just disappear forever.

Of course you dont show up when Kobe drops 40 in an all-time performance :laugh:

Phokus is a tool, but still, the Lakers got some absurd calls.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: BeauJangles

Originally posted by: HopJokey

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: Baked
Funny as hell diary/column by Bill Simmons on last night's game. Must read.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn...ns/090608&sportCat=nba

This guy, Bill Simmons, he's an ESPN guy? He's really laying into those ESPN announcers. Yeah, they sucked.

The reason I like Bill Simmons so much is that he writes like a fan of the game would. ESPN seems to give him a lot of room to speak in his blogs, which I definitely respect. You should read all of his articles, they are great! :thumbsup:

Yep he is the best. You don't read him for expert analysis or outstanding journalism (although sometimes he provides those), but for humor and pure entertainment (especially the podcasts and mailbags)!

ESPN does give him a lot of rope, but they are really really holding him back. Last summer he had a tift with ESPN after they hired Riley.

I dunno, I find that underneath his humor Simmons is a pretty bright guy who can see through a lot of the bullshit in professional sports. I think his continued campaign against NBA referees, for instance, is spot-on and I completely agree with him revamping the officiating crews will be expedited the more people become aware of how f-ing awful the officials truly are.

I personally think the umps in baseball are tremendously worse than they used to be. They used to honor the strike zone. Nowadays the announcers say things like "he's been consistent with his strike zone all day," to excuse an obviously terrible call. They never used to say things like that. Used to be, if the ball didn't cross over the plate it was not a strike.

I'm not so sure about that. Thanks to pitch f/x we now have a verifiable way of conclusively determining balls and strikes. That makes the bad calls all the more obvious. You also have to remember that the strike zone has never been set in stone. It has changed over the years and, particularly in the last few years, become smaller and tighter. Some umps, IMO, don't like that zone and call a more 'traditional' one. That being said, as long as the guy is consistent for everyone, it makes little difference and pitchers and hitters can adjust their game.

Annnyway, this probably isn't the place to discuss the MLB, but it's safe to say that the refs in the NBA are, by far, the worst refs in professional sports. They are inconsistent, fickle, they favor the stars (that foul on Turkoglu where Kobe just fell over next to him is a perfect example), and, worst of all, what is a foul in one part of the game isn't a foul in another part of a game or what's a foul for one team isn't a foul for another.

It seems to me like the refs always have their greedy hands in every big moment of an NBA game. Look at hockey as a counter example. Once a playoff game goes to OT, all bets are off. You need to draw blood to get a penalty. The refs let the players play and let the players decide the outcome of the game. That's why playoff OT hockey is one of the most exciting things in sports.

Refs need to do their jobs and stay the hell out of the way of the players. Between awful calls during plays and trying to officiate emotions out of games, the NBA officials have slid to a whole new level of abysmal.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: peritusONE

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: cheezy321

Oh dude give me a break. I know you are a lakers fan but you HAVE to admit that they got 90% of the calls toward the end of the 4th qtr and in overtime. Ariza raped hedo for a good 4 - 5 minutes and then they finally called it when it didnt matter. Pathetic.

The refs didnt matter. Unless Steve Javey caused the 20 turnovers for the Magic, or made Lee miss the wide open shot (Pau didnt change the shot at all).


If the refs really wanted to make a bad call to win the game for the Lakers, they could have easily called the last Laker's play. Even though it was a clean block, we have seen worse calls.

The call where Kobe didnt even touch the ball after it was knocked out of his hands during a crucial part of the game was bad. Not calling goaltending on Howard was bad.

These playoffs have been bad all around as far as officiating. I have posts in this thread that slam the ref's for making it extremely hard on ORL against CLE.

At the end of the day, Orlando lost it themselves.

The game was lost by the Magic, no doubt about it.

The main beef I had with the game was how Ariza was allowed to be all over Hedo for a good 4 minutes in the game. The referees definitely determine the pace of the game, and that call should have happened the first time Ariza blatantly pushed himself thru a pick all while fouling Hedo in the process. They wait until the 6-8th Magic possession that he does this to call it. It just sets the pace and turns the game into something I don't really want to watch. They could have stopped it right away, but instead they decide to finally call what hes been doing when it doesnt even matter. Just annoys me.

Actually, to be fair, Hedo was blocking off Ariza with his non-dribbling arm most of that time, too. I was surprised either them weren't getting called for fouls. Ariza was all over him, and Hedo was pushing him away with his forearm the whole time.

In that Simmons article, which I read earlier today, he said something about Fischer taking 5 steps before dribbling the ball towards the end of OT and not getting called for walking. Anybody seen a video of this? I didn't see it during the game last night, and am curious what it looks like.

I managed to find a video of game coverage (split into 11 parts) on Youtube after reading this; he does a kind of football shuffle, it's not as if he's sprinting down the court, but he definitely lifted his pivot foot - whichever one that may have been - several times.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Phokus


Told you guys ... you didn't listen lakers have the refs in the back pocket, always have, always will.

The bitter Kobe Hater dares to show his face right now? I was thinking you would wait until the Lakers choked and let ORL back in the series, or that you would just disappear forever.

Of course you dont show up when Kobe drops 40 in an all-time performance :laugh:

Pffft, give me a break, it's as i predicted, the refs are doing everything they can to help the lakers, just like they did in the past. Only your typical retarded lakers fan such as yourself would be too blind to see it

 

[OCGuy]

It would be nice to get game 3 tonight....but i'm thinking we dont have a shot until Game 4. I have a feeling the front-court will be on fire tonight.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: OCguy
It would be nice to get game 3 tonight....but i'm thinking we dont have a shot until Game 4. I have a feeling the refs will be on fire tonight.

Fixed!

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: OCguy
It would be nice to get game 3 tonight....but i'm thinking we dont have a shot until Game 4. I have a feeling the refs will be on fire tonight.

Fixed!

You are much better at trolling in P&N, where people actually fall for it.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: OCguy
It would be nice to get game 3 tonight....but i'm thinking we dont have a shot until Game 4. I have a feeling the refs will be on fire tonight.

Fixed!

You are much better at trolling in P&N, where people actually fall for it.

OCguy: can't handle the truth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhlGYvIMPgQ

 

[cheezy321]

Who let the troll back in the thread?