2009 Chevy Aveo

[PingSpike]

Yes, it improves by a whopping 1mpg city in the case of the fit versus civic...better then the 0mpg highway.

Yaris versus corolla...29/36 versus 28/37...yeah!

I'd say the EPA just doesn't indicate an advantage in this class that is actually there, but the "what drivers are getting" sections were the same as well. ~34 for the both civic and fit and ~38 for both corolla and yaris.

 

[desy]

Hatches don't have as good as aerodynamics tho and built around big interiors and short wheel-bases to make parking easier and a guess but probably geared differntly for quicker city acceleration
Compare it to a Matrix , rolla 'hatch' 26/33

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
This is OT, but it's unfortunate that there are so few "higher-end" small, yet practical, cars. In fact, I can't think of any right offhand. Mini Cooper?

srsly

There are so many nice small cars in Europe, but barely anything in the US. Hopefully that will change with the rising gas prices.

Ford's new Fiesta also looks promising; hope it makes it to the US.
Ford Fiesta

although the American version will likely be arriving only as a four-door sedan with trunk and all.

Fuck you Ford! :|

Why can't they bring the cool small cars here? I want a british focus, damn you :|

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
This is OT, but it's unfortunate that there are so few "higher-end" small, yet practical, cars. In fact, I can't think of any right offhand. Mini Cooper?

srsly

There are so many nice small cars in Europe, but barely anything in the US. Hopefully that will change with the rising gas prices.

Ford's new Fiesta also looks promising; hope it makes it to the US.
Ford Fiesta

although the American version will likely be arriving only as a four-door sedan with trunk and all.

Fuck you Ford! :|

Why can't they bring the cool small cars here? I want a british focus, damn you :|

Agreed. I think Ford would do better in the long run if they ditched their entire domestic passenger car lineup in favor of the Euro and Aussie lineups.

 

[SoulAssassin]

Originally posted by: Funyuns101
ah, a redesigned rental car hell

I got stuck with one of these one time for 2 weeks on business. Drove it from San Jose to Anaheim. Literally had the pedal to the floor for hours on 5 and it wouldn't get above 90mph. I was getting passed by people like I was in reverse. Horrible, horrible car.

 

[DivideBYZero]

It's a shame that you guys are being peddled rebadged Daewoo's as the next 'new' small car. As was mentioned there is a massive gap in the market in the US domestic that may well be about to have it's time. Sub-compacts that are comfortable and possibly even luxurious.

There are plenty of Euro cars that you should be able to buy or domestic manufacturers should look to to emulate, such as:

- Ford Fiesta. Yes, it's a Ford, but even the pre-mazda2 version is available in high spec/high tech and with sensible engine choices from 70hp up to 150hp.
- Ford Focus. Oldest conundrum in the business, but easily explained pre-gas price terror. People don't want to pay for a good Focus, they expect it to be 'Domestic cheap', which is why you get the old platform. Cost. Engines range from 80hp to 225hp.
- Renault Clio. I actually have the third generation Clio in our fleet. It's a car that rivals even my M3 for some features and the interior is very upscale. The unfortunate dislike for all things French mean that the car has had to come in via the (Nissan) backdoor as the ugly as sin Versa. The Clio is a good looking car with engine choices between 80hp and 200hp.
- Fiat Punto - Again, another brand that has a bad rep, but this later incarnation is a step up. Again the interior and exterior styling has been brought up to a great standard and offers pwoer from ~70 to 150 horses.
- VW Polo - Another brand mired in the coil-pack mud from 2000-2003, however this is another excellent small car choice not available stateside.
- GM/Opel/Vauxhall Corsa. Not my choice, personally, but why they are shoving Daewoo down your throats when they have a premium small hatch platform is not good for you guys. Again, power options are in line with the segment.

/0

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: SoulAssassin

Originally posted by: Funyuns101
ah, a redesigned rental car hell

I got stuck with one of these one time for 2 weeks on business. Drove it from San Jose to Anaheim. Literally had the pedal to the floor for hours on 5 and it wouldn't get above 90mph. I was getting passed by people like I was in reverse. Horrible, horrible car.

Yours was obviously broken.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
It's a shame that you guys are being peddled rebadged Daewoo's as the next 'new' small car. As was mentioned there is a massive gap in the market in the US domestic that may well be about to have it's time. Sub-compacts that are comfortable and possibly even luxurious.

There are plenty of Euro cars that you should be able to buy or domestic manufacturers should look to to emulate, such as:

- Ford Fiesta. Yes, it's a Ford, but even the pre-mazda2 version is available in high spec/high tech and with sensible engine choices from 70hp up to 150hp.
- Ford Focus. Oldest conundrum in the business, but easily explained pre-gas price terror. People don't want to pay for a good Focus, they expect it to be 'Domestic cheap', which is why you get the old platform. Cost. Engines range from 80hp to 225hp.
- Renault Clio. I actually have the third generation Clio in our fleet. It's a car that rivals even my M3 for some features and the interior is very upscale. The unfortunate dislike for all things French mean that the car has had to come in via the (Nissan) backdoor as the ugly as sin Versa. The Clio is a good looking car with engine choices between 80hp and 200hp.
- Fiat Punto - Again, another brand that has a bad rep, but this later incarnation is a step up. Again the interior and exterior styling has been brought up to a great standard and offers pwoer from ~70 to 150 horses.
- VW Polo - Another brand mired in the coil-pack mud from 2000-2003, however this is another excellent small car choice not available stateside.
- GM/Opel/Vauxhall Corsa. Not my choice, personally, but why they are shoving Daewoo down your throats when they have a premium small hatch platform is not good for you guys. Again, power options are in line with the segment.

/0

Yup. Living in London for 6 months, I've been amazed by all the awesome small cars I've seen. Hopefully something nicer will come to the US when I have to get a new car back home...