2007 Acura TL Type-S

[gsellis]

All the folks saying RWD over FWD, you are making a bad assumption. Honda LSD and chassis tuning kicks butt. A ITR would rotate and pull out hard at 10/10's. "Oh, but you can't drift it" Well, that was true when they thought cutting grooves in the tires made them grip the road better. Fast is about getting on the power sooner and keeping it there. And the suspension makes the difference. And the proof is in drag racing. Everyone assumed a front wheeler will never break a 10s 1/4mile. Oops, that myth is done.

//owned 97ITR #86

NFS4 - it is a Honda. Must be driving you crazy.


BTW - journalist had a non-disclosure until Sept1 on this (source vtec.net) Ooops

 

[RiDE]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Aimster
sport + FWD do not mix

Stop trying to defend FWD cars.

WHY? Unless you own one and think it is a sport car I see no reason for you to defend it.

You can see in my sig what cars I own, so your grade-school ad-hominem falls flat.

Fisrt of all, the TL is not marketed as a sports car. It's marketed as a slightly sporty entry-level luxury sedan. A goal that it achieves just fine.

Second of all, for 90% of all driving (and 100% of all legal driving on public roads) there is no practical, legitimate reason aside from towing to require RWD.

I will admit to liking RWD better (obviously I do, or I wouldn't own the cars I own), but I suffer no delusions regarding RWD being anything more than an indulgence of an impractical side of me that is willing to accept the practial shortcomings (reduced poor-weather stability, decreased interior room, etc) in exchange for the "feel" of RWD and the very occasional times when I take the car onto a track.

For street driving, LEGAL street driving, there is no compelling reason to choose RWD, and several compelling reasons (poor-weather stability, interior room, etc) to choose FWD.

ZV

 

[Nebor]

I have a 2003 TL S-type. It's the last japanese car I'll ever own. What a horrible, uninspired car. :thumbsdown:

 

[RiDE]

Originally posted by: Nebor
I have a 2003 TL S-type. It's the last japanese car I'll ever own. What a horrible, uninspired car. :thumbsdown:

You bought it, so it's your fault.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Nebor
I have a 2003 TL S-type. It's the last japanese car I'll ever own. What a horrible, uninspired car. :thumbsdown:

keine fahrfegnugen fur dich?

Du hast eine kleine lieben fur spielen meine fruend (oder fruende?)

Haben ze viel zu viel zu trinken?

Ja, meir alzo.

 

[SampSon]

In response to thoes who defend FWD vehicles to the group complaining about FWD bashing:

They are marketing the car to be a "sporty" car with a bunch of power that you will never NEED on the streets. That can be said for so many cars on the market. Why would anyone ever need a fraction of the cars that exist today to drive on public streets? Most of you arguing that RWD cars have no benefit own cars that are far beyond anything you will ever need in any situation on public roads. So stop arguing from that stand point, because you will argue one point in this thread and then take the exact opposite stance in another thread. At least show a smidge of consistancy in thought and not always pandering to the "pc" opinion to hold in a particular topic.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: SampSon
In response to thoes who defend FWD vehicles to the group complaining about FWD bashing:

They are marketing the car to be a "sporty" car with a bunch of power that you will never NEED on the streets. That can be said for so many cars on the market. Why would anyone ever need a fraction of the cars that exist today to drive on public streets? Most of you arguing that RWD cars have no benefit own cars that are far beyond anything you will ever need in any situation on public roads. So stop arguing from that stand point, because you will argue one point in this thread and then take the exact opposite stance in another thread. At least show a smidge of consistancy in thought and not always pandering to the "pc" opinion to hold in a particular topic.

Meh... many people with such cars will use the power to accelerate fast from time to time. But I still never see anyone in RWD cars breaking the rear end loose around turns. Besides, it's a common factor and can thus be ignored. And WTF does this have to do with PC?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Nebor
I have a 2003 TL S-type. It's the last japanese car I'll ever own. What a horrible, uninspired car. :thumbsdown:

keine fahrfegnugen fur dich?

Du hast eine kleine lieben fur spielen meine fruend (oder fruende?)

Haben ze viel zu viel zu trinken?

Ja, meir alzo.

You've got the right language, but the wrong car.

 

[ballmode]

I'd still take a G35

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: senseamp
Ooooh, FWD luxed up Accord is now "Sinister" LOL.

Damnit, stop following me!

Mazda3forums, now!!!

Lets just stop this right now. We can say this about many other car companies and others that are based off on other cars. The TL is no Accord. It is similar, yes. But I guess people prefer the black and white approach.

 

[UNCjigga]

Time for every current TL owner to start buying those OEM-style taillamps, tailpipes, underbody and Type-S badging. Beware of the poseurs!!!

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: AMDUALY

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Aimster
sport + FWD do not mix

Stop trying to defend FWD cars.

WHY? Unless you own one and think it is a sport car I see no reason for you to defend it.

You can see in my sig what cars I own, so your grade-school ad-hominem falls flat.

Fisrt of all, the TL is not marketed as a sports car. It's marketed as a slightly sporty entry-level luxury sedan. A goal that it achieves just fine.

Second of all, for 90% of all driving (and 100% of all legal driving on public roads) there is no practical, legitimate reason aside from towing to require RWD.

I will admit to liking RWD better (obviously I do, or I wouldn't own the cars I own), but I suffer no delusions regarding RWD being anything more than an indulgence of an impractical side of me that is willing to accept the practial shortcomings (reduced poor-weather stability, decreased interior room, etc) in exchange for the "feel" of RWD and the very occasional times when I take the car onto a track.

For street driving, LEGAL street driving, there is no compelling reason to choose RWD, and several compelling reasons (poor-weather stability, interior room, etc) to choose FWD.

ZV

::applaudes::

Well said.

i applaud that as well.


though i suppose on a twistier road, there is a bit more "plowing forward" in a FWD car because of the weight balance issues. though there are some seriously unbalanced rwd cars out there too (mustang gt500 would be one).

the TL does have a limited slip differential as well. supposedly that should cut out most of the torque steer.

i still think the TL-S over the TL is a stupid idea. its just not a very big boost. on the last gen one it was 50hp not 30hp. not to mention the RL sells so badly you can get one for maybe $2000-3000 over what they expect a TL-S navi to cost.


it sort of prices itself out of its segment.

 

[bigfil]

needs a better ground effects kit

yeah id rather have a g35 looks meaner prob similar performance

 

[JS80]

+28 hp for type S? honda's gone mad.

no thx, i'll wait for 2009 redesigned TL or E-Class

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: hans007

Originally posted by: AMDUALY

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Aimster
sport + FWD do not mix

Stop trying to defend FWD cars.

WHY? Unless you own one and think it is a sport car I see no reason for you to defend it.

You can see in my sig what cars I own, so your grade-school ad-hominem falls flat.

Fisrt of all, the TL is not marketed as a sports car. It's marketed as a slightly sporty entry-level luxury sedan. A goal that it achieves just fine.

Second of all, for 90% of all driving (and 100% of all legal driving on public roads) there is no practical, legitimate reason aside from towing to require RWD.

I will admit to liking RWD better (obviously I do, or I wouldn't own the cars I own), but I suffer no delusions regarding RWD being anything more than an indulgence of an impractical side of me that is willing to accept the practial shortcomings (reduced poor-weather stability, decreased interior room, etc) in exchange for the "feel" of RWD and the very occasional times when I take the car onto a track.

For street driving, LEGAL street driving, there is no compelling reason to choose RWD, and several compelling reasons (poor-weather stability, interior room, etc) to choose FWD.

ZV

::applaudes::

Well said.

i applaud that as well.


though i suppose on a twistier road, there is a bit more "plowing forward" in a FWD car because of the weight balance issues. though there are some seriously unbalanced rwd cars out there too (mustang gt500 would be one).

the TL does have a limited slip differential as well. supposedly that should cut out most of the torque steer.

i still think the TL-S over the TL is a stupid idea. its just not a very big boost. on the last gen one it was 50hp not 30hp. not to mention the RL sells so badly you can get one for maybe $2000-3000 over what they expect a TL-S navi to cost.


it sort of prices itself out of its segment.

last time they did TL-S it was actually 260 vs 225, so only 35 hp more.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: Aimster
FWD?
If so no thanks.

name one disadvantage that FWD has over RWD on public road.

Torque steer. That said, I test drove one last summer and torque steer was far less pronounced than in my '03 Maxima.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Modular

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
It's an irrational preference that really doesn't have a benefit other than self-indulgence.

ZV

So is buying a TL...

Yeah, that whole "incredible value" thing is a bunch of hogwash, right?

Originally posted by: ones3k
get a subaru LEgacy GT. 250hp/250ft-lbs and AWD

And while I won't call it ugly, it's not even in the same league as the TL in terms of looks. I'm sure I'll get flamed by Legacy owners now with either "looks don't matter" or "Legacies look much better," but I'm quite sure all of you like to be admired in your car, and you're kidding yourself if you think the average person looks at a Legacy and thinks they look NEARLY as nice as a TL.

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Torque steer. That said, I test drove one last summer and torque steer was far less pronounced than in my '03 Maxima.

Thanks, I was going to get here. I test-drove a few Nissans recently, and they ALL had awful torque steer. AWFUL!

Originally posted by: bigfil
yeah id rather have a g35 looks meaner prob similar performance

Personally, I don't think there's much worse on the road today than Nissans/Infinitis. Not ugly, just utterly boring. The BACK of the G35 is pretty nice, but the front is meh. They also need to upgrade the interior something fierce. I've heard they did this year, but I haven't seen it yet to say either way. All that being said, the one thing I'll give the G35 is the 19s that come with the sport package... those wheels are SEX!!!

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: Aimster
FWD?
If so no thanks.

name one disadvantage that FWD has over RWD on public road.

Torque steer. That said, I test drove one last summer and torque steer was far less pronounced than in my '03 Maxima.

LSD. Do I need to spell it out?

 

[Vich]

Originally posted by: Aimster
FWD?
If so no thanks.

 

[FlashG]

No thanks on the sport. It?s not in the value range where the standard model rules.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: Aimster
FWD?
If so no thanks.

name one disadvantage that FWD has over RWD on public road.

all that torque and no traction to go with it? Especially on xverse mounted engine with different left half axles... don't plan on driving one handed.

<- hearts his RWD v8 muscle car ...

 

[Otaking]

Originally posted by: SoulAssassin
pics

<-owns an '04 TL A-Spec

That black one looks SWEET. :Q

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: Aimster
FWD?
If so no thanks.

name one disadvantage that FWD has over RWD on public road.

Torque steer. That said, I test drove one last summer and torque steer was far less pronounced than in my '03 Maxima.

LSD. Do I need to spell it out?

i've never driven one, but i've heard the auto one has virtually no torque steer , but the manual can be hard to drive.

i luckily (or unluckily) drive its torqueless little brother that doesnt have enough torque to torque steer haha.