2005 RL specs

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Honda has always been incredibly stubborn on the V-8 issue, which was taken to a slightly ridiculous extreme with the NSX. That is a great, underappreciated car in many regards, but the idea of an "exotic" mid-engine sports car with a V-6 still feels wrong to me. In a luxury car, the smoothness and torque of a V-8 make it preferable to even an excellent V-6 IMO (and I drive a VQ-powered Nissan).

What about the Lotus Esprit? For YEARS it had a turbo 4. Awesome car. Heck, I'd prefer it with the turbo 4 then a turbo V8. A 4 just seems better suited for a car like that.

The Esprit had horrendous turbo lag. The thing was a complete dog until the turbo kicked in. Not that I don't lust after Esprit Turbos, but let's be honest about their performance.

ZV

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
corvette:
Fuel Economy (city / hwy): Rear-Wheel Drive
6-Speed Manual Overdrive 19 / 28 mpg

accord:
6-Speed Manual Overdrive N/A 20 / 30 mpg

wow that is huge right there!

350Z for fun!
6-Speed Manual Overdrive 20 / 26 mpg

omg combined mileage is the same as the vette!

oh, and the V8 vette weighs 200 lbs less than the 350Z!

edited due to lack of knowledge

 

[SportSC4]

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: isekii
Lexi's V8 is very light.
I think it's lighter than the 2JZ motor.

This is true but it is more due to current technology than anything else im sure. Is the engine all aluminum? Also how much power can the 4.3 handle? I doubt its as strong as a 2jz

It's just as strong as the 2JZ.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: ElFenix
corvette:
Fuel Economy (city / hwy): Rear-Wheel Drive
6-Speed Manual Overdrive 19 / 28 mpg

accord:
6-Speed Manual Overdrive N/A 20 / 30 mpg

wow that is huge right there!

350Z for fun!
6-Speed Manual Overdrive 20 / 26 mpg

omg combined mileage is the same as the vette!

oh, and the V8 vette weighs 200 lbs less than the 350Z!

comparing a lightweight sports car with a strong and robust family sedan eh?

See my post above. The Corvette 6-speed and Accord Coupe 6-speed both weigh the same.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Honda has always been incredibly stubborn on the V-8 issue, which was taken to a slightly ridiculous extreme with the NSX. That is a great, underappreciated car in many regards, but the idea of an "exotic" mid-engine sports car with a V-6 still feels wrong to me. In a luxury car, the smoothness and torque of a V-8 make it preferable to even an excellent V-6 IMO (and I drive a VQ-powered Nissan).

What about the Lotus Esprit? For YEARS it had a turbo 4. Awesome car. Heck, I'd prefer it with the turbo 4 then a turbo V8. A 4 just seems better suited for a car like that.

The Esprit had horrendous turbo lag. The thing was a complete dog until the turbo kicked in. Not that I don't lust after Esprit Turbos, but let's be honest about their performance.

ZV

The best Esprits are the ones with the 350HP V8

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Howard
Why do they go with AWD? It's more complex than a RWD setup... I'd rather have I6/V8 with RWD than V6 with AWD.

Actually, making the RL RWD would be more complex. Honda currently does not have ANY platform that is RWD, so they'd have to spend millions engineering one. The RL is based off of the Accord platform, which has been AWD possible the platform was designed. No need to waste engineering and money when you already have a very viable and competent platform available.

what do you call the NSX and the S2000 ?

I was referring to sedan platforms. The s2000 and NSX are unique, niche cars who's designs could not support anything near the size of a full sized sedan.

Funny how Honda made a special RWD sports car platform but not a sport sedan one.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Howard
Why do they go with AWD? It's more complex than a RWD setup... I'd rather have I6/V8 with RWD than V6 with AWD.

Actually, making the RL RWD would be more complex. Honda currently does not have ANY platform that is RWD, so they'd have to spend millions engineering one. The RL is based off of the Accord platform, which has been AWD possible the platform was designed. No need to waste engineering and money when you already have a very viable and competent platform available.

what do you call the NSX and the S2000 ?

I was referring to sedan platforms. The s2000 and NSX are unique, niche cars who's designs could not support anything near the size of a full sized sedan.

Funny how Honda made a special RWD sports car platform but not a sport sedan one.

The TSX should have been based on the S2000 chassis instead of being yet ANOTHER Accord clone.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Howard
Why do they go with AWD? It's more complex than a RWD setup... I'd rather have I6/V8 with RWD than V6 with AWD.

Actually, making the RL RWD would be more complex. Honda currently does not have ANY platform that is RWD, so they'd have to spend millions engineering one. The RL is based off of the Accord platform, which has been AWD possible the platform was designed. No need to waste engineering and money when you already have a very viable and competent platform available.

what do you call the NSX and the S2000 ?

I was referring to sedan platforms. The s2000 and NSX are unique, niche cars who's designs could not support anything near the size of a full sized sedan.

Funny how Honda made a special RWD sports car platform but not a sport sedan one.

The TSX should have been based on the S2000 chassis instead of being yet ANOTHER Accord clone.

The TSX is the Euro Accord.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Howard
Why do they go with AWD? It's more complex than a RWD setup... I'd rather have I6/V8 with RWD than V6 with AWD.

Actually, making the RL RWD would be more complex. Honda currently does not have ANY platform that is RWD, so they'd have to spend millions engineering one. The RL is based off of the Accord platform, which has been AWD possible the platform was designed. No need to waste engineering and money when you already have a very viable and competent platform available.

what do you call the NSX and the S2000 ?

I was referring to sedan platforms. The s2000 and NSX are unique, niche cars who's designs could not support anything near the size of a full sized sedan.

Funny how Honda made a special RWD sports car platform but not a sport sedan one.

The TSX should have been based on the S2000 chassis instead of being yet ANOTHER Accord clone.

LOL and the Mazda 6 should have been based on the Miata platform
I think Honda should just bite the bullet and develop a RWD platform and a V8, so they can exploit a whole other market segment. If Nissan can do it, why can't Honda?

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

LOL and the Mazda 6 should have been based on the Miata platform
I think Honda should just bite the bullet and develop a RWD platform and a V8, so they can exploit a whole other market segment. If Nissan can do it, why can't Honda?

I don't think Nissan is exploiting anything with their RWD V8 sedans.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: isekii

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Howard
Why do they go with AWD? It's more complex than a RWD setup... I'd rather have I6/V8 with RWD than V6 with AWD.

Actually, making the RL RWD would be more complex. Honda currently does not have ANY platform that is RWD, so they'd have to spend millions engineering one. The RL is based off of the Accord platform, which has been AWD possible the platform was designed. No need to waste engineering and money when you already have a very viable and competent platform available.

what do you call the NSX and the S2000 ?

I was referring to sedan platforms. The s2000 and NSX are unique, niche cars who's designs could not support anything near the size of a full sized sedan.

Funny how Honda made a special RWD sports car platform but not a sport sedan one.

The TSX should have been based on the S2000 chassis instead of being yet ANOTHER Accord clone.

LOL and the Mazda 6 should have been based on the Miata platform
I think Honda should just bite the bullet and develop a RWD platform and a V8, so they can exploit a whole other market segment. If Nissan can do it, why can't Honda?

It's not an issue of not being able to do it, it's an issue of choosing to do it or not. Honda will do what is best for themselves - obviously they don't believe there's a significant enough market to justify building a V8 ordeveloping a new platform when most buyers and the mojority of their sales will do just fine with their current V6 and Accord platform.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

The TSX is the Euro Accord.

Duh That's the point. There will be three "Accord sedans" after Acura gets done. TSX, TL, RL.

Originally posted by: rbloedow

It's not an issue of not being able to do it, it's an issue of choosing to do it or not. Honda will do what is best for themselves - obviously they don't believe there's a significant enough market to justify building a V8 ordeveloping a new platform when most buyers and the mojority of their sales will do just fine with their current V6 and Accord platform.

They must love the smell of their own bullsh!t Look at the sales of the V6 powered RL. Then look at the sales of the V8 powered competition.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: gregshin

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Good luck competing in that market with a V-6 and FWD-based drivetrain! The projected next-gen M45 actually looks really nice, and will stomp this car to smithereens.

well if they can get the same power as a V8 from a V6, why not? also, V6 will be better on mileage

doesnt matter about gas mileage when you spend over $45k on luxo cars....you will be the laughing stock of the country club cuz you only get honda with a V6 motor....when playing with the big boys you need a big engine in american to compete

Puh-leeeese - most of the rich bitches at the country club don't know sh!t about the internals of a car, the badge on the hood is all that matters. They're all badge whores.

zing! :beer:

hondacura = no no @ country club

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: SuperTool

LOL and the Mazda 6 should have been based on the Miata platform
I think Honda should just bite the bullet and develop a RWD platform and a V8, so they can exploit a whole other market segment. If Nissan can do it, why can't Honda?

I don't think Nissan is exploiting anything with their RWD V8 sedans.

But they are getting good use out of their RWD platform (G35, FX), their V8 (Titan, Armada, FX45)
M45 and Q45 aren't very appealing, but not because they are RWD, and V8. It's not like Acura is getting much traction with the RL.

 

[UNCjigga]

Mark my words--Honda will NOT build a V8 until they can pair it with a hybrid powerplant...PERIOD! The upcoming Accord V6 hybrid with cylinder management will serve as a design study for a V8. IF they can prove that the V6+hybrid is a reliable engine (in Honda terms, which is setting a high standard) THEN they will apply it to a V8. I'm sure they've already started the research on it. Unfortunately, this means we won't see a V8 from Honda in the foreseeable future. When it does come, however, I wouldn't expect anything less than GOBS of low-end torque+power (V8+electric at low RPMs) and EXCELLENT fuel economy (V8 shuts off four cylinders when cruising.)

 

[Excelsior]

Too bad the GS430 is fugly.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Excelsior
Too bad the GS430 is fugly.

Fugly?

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Jigga
Mark my words--Honda will NOT build a V8 until they can pair it with a hybrid powerplant...PERIOD! The upcoming Accord V6 hybrid with cylinder management will serve as a design study for a V8. IF they can prove that the V6+hybrid is a reliable engine (in Honda terms, which is setting a high standard) THEN they will apply it to a V8. I'm sure they've already started the research on it. Unfortunately, this means we won't see a V8 from Honda in the foreseeable future. When it does come, however, I wouldn't expect anything less than GOBS of low-end torque+power (V8+electric at low RPMs) and EXCELLENT fuel economy (V8 shuts off four cylinders when cruising.)

Torque steer? If honda builds a V6 hybrid, they don't need a V8, because they'll have electric for low end torque.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Excelsior
Too bad the GS430 is fugly.

Fugly?

I don't dig the front. The profile looks like a mix between G35 and 3 series.

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Jigga
Mark my words--Honda will NOT build a V8 until they can pair it with a hybrid powerplant...PERIOD! The upcoming Accord V6 hybrid with cylinder management will serve as a design study for a V8. IF they can prove that the V6+hybrid is a reliable engine (in Honda terms, which is setting a high standard) THEN they will apply it to a V8. I'm sure they've already started the research on it. Unfortunately, this means we won't see a V8 from Honda in the foreseeable future. When it does come, however, I wouldn't expect anything less than GOBS of low-end torque+power (V8+electric at low RPMs) and EXCELLENT fuel economy (V8 shuts off four cylinders when cruising.)

Torque steer? If honda builds a V6 hybrid, they don't need a V8, because they'll have electric for low end torque.

Go look at torque curves on a new Honda and tell me they're any worse then the competition. There's a reason that V6 Accord Coupe with 6-speed runs mid-low 14's. Sorry, Hondas aren't torqueless anymore.

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

But they are getting good use out of their RWD platform (G35, FX), their V8 (Titan, Armada, FX45)
M45 and Q45 aren't very appealing, but not because they are RWD, and V8. It's not like Acura is getting much traction with the RL.

Then by that token, I don't see people running in droves to buy the FX and/or G35. I do see lots of TL's and MDXs tho.....

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: SuperTool

But they are getting good use out of their RWD platform (G35, FX), their V8 (Titan, Armada, FX45)
M45 and Q45 aren't very appealing, but not because they are RWD, and V8. It's not like Acura is getting much traction with the RL.

Then by that token, I don't see people running in droves to buy the FX and/or G35. I do see lots of TL's and MDXs tho.....

G35 YTD: 11,059
FX YTD: 4,994

TL YTD: 11,310
MDX YTD: 9,094

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: SuperTool

But they are getting good use out of their RWD platform (G35, FX), their V8 (Titan, Armada, FX45)
M45 and Q45 aren't very appealing, but not because they are RWD, and V8. It's not like Acura is getting much traction with the RL.

Then by that token, I don't see people running in droves to buy the FX and/or G35. I do see lots of TL's and MDXs tho.....

Infiniti sales grew 21% from 2002 to 2003 with the G35 and FX45.

 

[Vic]

300hp = 300hp

Being fixated on the number of cylinders an engine has (or its displacement) instead of its actual power output is the surest way to prove that you are a total idiot when it comes to cars and engines.
Semi-trucks only have 6 cylinders and they seem to do just fine.

Seriously though, you may as well go buy a 150hp Suzuki car because it has a 6 cylinder *hums Route 66*
Ideally, the best powerplant is small, efficient, and powerful -- that is the engineering ideal.
IIRC the early Ford flathead V8's weighed 500+ lbs and put out 60hp. Hey, better go buy one though 'cause it's a V8... we all know any V8 is better than any engine with less cylinders

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: Vic
300hp = 300hp

Being fixated on the number of cylinders an engine has (or its displacement) instead of its actual power output is the surest way to prove that you are a total idiot when it comes to cars and engines.
Semi-trucks only have 6 cylinders and they seem to do just fine.

Seriously though, you may as well go buy a 150hp Suzuki car because it has a 6 cylinder *hums Route 66*
Ideally, the best powerplant is small, efficient, and powerful -- that is the engineering ideal.
IIRC the early Ford flathead V8's weighed 500+ lbs and put out 60hp. Hey, better go buy one though 'cause it's a V8... we all know any V8 is better than any engine with less cylinders

The voice of reason! Thank you!