2005 GTO

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: NutBucket
*cough* Camaro *cough* Firebird *cough*

glad you know a real car. good choice.

And you say styling doesn't matter.....

 

[JulesMaximus]

I don't see how that thing looks any different than the 2004 GTO...

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: NutBucket
*cough* Camaro *cough* Firebird *cough*

glad you know a real car. good choice.

And you say styling doesn't matter.....

when it comes to raw performance - no

I do love styling however. Very few cars (IMHO) have the performance and styling down pat:

BMW 850 (damn I still love those)
BMW Z3 (M) - to date the most fun car I've ever driven.
BMW M3 - owned one
Viper
NSX
Vette

but that's MHO. Thank GOD power is back and we have tons of cars that have stellar performance available - STi, GTO, vette, cobra, etc. I still remember when over 200 HP was rare - now aday we have sports cars pushing 300+. sweetness.

c'mon man - we're talking 6 liter, 400 HP, light up the tires at 50 MPH fun here.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I don't see how that thing looks any different than the 2004 GTO...

front hood scoops, different rear fascia, slightly. and it has a new exhaust which you cant see to easily.

MIKE

 

[Aharami]

the current GTO is damn sexy. this one just blows my mind! I see nice cars all the time on the road. but the GTO catches my attention like no other.

and 400hp! damn!!!

 

[MX2]

Looks like a glorified Chevy Cavalier to me

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: DEMO24

Originally posted by: dman
I like the drivetrain even more, but, 2dr and it's got Pontiac styling = not an option for me.

nono. Australian styling just with Pontiac badges

You do know that GM owns Holden right?

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: hysperion

Originally posted by: DEMO24

Originally posted by: dman
I like the drivetrain even more, but, 2dr and it's got Pontiac styling = not an option for me.

nono. Australian styling just with Pontiac badges

You do know that GM owns Holden right?

you do know that this was designed IN australia, for the aussies, with their own type of styling.... right?

MIKE

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: zener
When I was working for Hughes which was owned by GM at the time, I had the opportunity to buy GM car at deep discount (up to 35% from MSRP). I prayed that GM came up with some exciting new car so I can buy. In 1997, new Corvette appeared. What a disapointment !!!! That darn push rod engine vibrated so much that I decided to go with the BMW 540i. Never regret my choice. As year passed, many improvements were made to the GM LS1 engine to mask its inherent shakiness due to its push rod design. However, each time I tried it out and compared it with the competion using DOHC, dissatisfaction is still the norm. Sad to say, the same thing happened with the new Corvette this year. I am thinking to go for the BMW M5. Their new V10 is smooth like silk.

plus pushrod engines generally develop better low end torque.

True, but the engines that develop a lot of low-end torque don't do so because they use pushrods instead of OHCs.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: hysperion

Originally posted by: DEMO24

Originally posted by: dman
I like the drivetrain even more, but, 2dr and it's got Pontiac styling = not an option for me.

nono. Australian styling just with Pontiac badges

You do know that GM owns Holden right?

you do know that this was designed IN australia, for the aussies, with their own type of styling.... right?

MIKE

GTO.

beyond thunderdome
sweetness

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: hysperion

Originally posted by: DEMO24

Originally posted by: dman
I like the drivetrain even more, but, 2dr and it's got Pontiac styling = not an option for me.

nono. Australian styling just with Pontiac badges

You do know that GM owns Holden right?

you do know that this was designed IN australia, for the aussies, with their own type of styling.... right?

MIKE

With their own type of styling? What kind of ignorant statement is that. Obviously it isn't their own because it's selling pretty well here. It's marketed the same way over there- as a sports coupe. It has a different engine and nose and the interior is slick.

Porsche is designed IN germany....

Ferrari is designed IN italy... and I could go on forever with these analogies but I think I've already pointed out your ignorance....

 

[vi edit]

Obviously it isn't their own because it's selling pretty well here.

Uhhh no. GM couldn't hardly give away the inventory they had. They HAD to do something to the 05's to make them desireable. Notably giving it 50 more HP, and a facelift. In it's second year on the market.

 

[Fritzo]

WOOHOO!!! A suped up Grand Am :|

 

[vi edit]

http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101273

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Obviously it isn't their own because it's selling pretty well here.

Uhhh no. GM couldn't hardly give away the inventory they had. They HAD to do something to the 05's to make them desireable. Notably giving it 50 more HP, and a facelift. In it's second year on the market.

Yeah, read the OP. They're boasting about moving 1000 units in a month.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: hysperion

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: hysperion

Originally posted by: DEMO24

Originally posted by: dman
I like the drivetrain even more, but, 2dr and it's got Pontiac styling = not an option for me.

nono. Australian styling just with Pontiac badges

You do know that GM owns Holden right?

you do know that this was designed IN australia, for the aussies, with their own type of styling.... right?

MIKE

With their own type of styling? What kind of ignorant statement is that. Obviously it isn't their own because it's selling pretty well here. It's marketed the same way over there- as a sports coupe. It has a different engine and nose and the interior is slick.

Porsche is designed IN germany....

Ferrari is designed IN italy... and I could go on forever with these analogies but I think I've already pointed out your ignorance....

your retarded.

these cars are selling like $5 20oz waters when there is a water fountain right next to the stand.

they just arent.

im almost positive the interior was HARDLY changed on the bring over.

MIKE

 

[imported_cello]

Will we ever see "The Judge" again??

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: hysperion

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: hysperion

Originally posted by: DEMO24

Originally posted by: dman
I like the drivetrain even more, but, 2dr and it's got Pontiac styling = not an option for me.

nono. Australian styling just with Pontiac badges

You do know that GM owns Holden right?

you do know that this was designed IN australia, for the aussies, with their own type of styling.... right?

MIKE

With their own type of styling? What kind of ignorant statement is that. Obviously it isn't their own because it's selling pretty well here. It's marketed the same way over there- as a sports coupe. It has a different engine and nose and the interior is slick.

Porsche is designed IN germany....

Ferrari is designed IN italy... and I could go on forever with these analogies but I think I've already pointed out your ignorance....

your retarded.

these cars are selling like $5 20oz waters when there is a water fountain right next to the stand.

they just arent.

im almost positive the interior was HARDLY changed on the bring over.

MIKE

The OP said 1000 cars a month...is that not alot?

 

[MikeMike]

no.

MIKE

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Howard
True, but the engines that develop a lot of low-end torque don't do so because they use pushrods instead of OHCs.

well, it has to do with having 2 valves per cylinder iirc, so i guess you could do it with sohc, but that would weigh more, cost more, and take up more space than a pushrod OHV design.

 

[Actaeon]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Obviously it isn't their own because it's selling pretty well here.

They HAD to do something to the 05's to make them desireable. Notably giving it 50 more HP, and a facelift. In it's second year on the market.

Wrong. Early into the GTOs life (maybe even before it was available for sale), they announced that the 2005 model would have significant improvements. They were going to improve the car regardless of its sales.

I have a strong feeling this had impacted its sales, because I feel many of the people who were looking foward to the car, will be waiting until the 2005 is available, then spring for that.

I'm pretty sure the GTO will be selling much better in 2005. Not that it would have taken much anyway.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Howard
True, but the engines that develop a lot of low-end torque don't do so because they use pushrods instead of OHCs.

well, it has to do with having 2 valves per cylinder iirc, so i guess you could do it with sohc, but that would weigh more, cost more, and take up more space than a pushrod OHV design.

Keep the intake velocity high enough (less valve area/lift) and you can make torque at any RPM. I suppose if you want a truck engine, pushrods are great.

 

[vi edit]

Wrong. Early into the GTOs life (maybe even before it was available for sale), they announced that the 2005 model would have significant improvements. They were going to improve the car regardless of its sales.

Taking the GTO nameplate and slapping it onto a car not even built in the US turned away a lot of "nostalgia" buyers. That and completely bland styling further killed sales.

I think GM knew up front based upon market research and abysmal opening sales that they needed to do something quick. Hence the upgrade announcement early into it's life.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I don't see how that thing looks any different than the 2004 GTO...

front hood scoops, different rear fascia, slightly. and it has a new exhaust which you cant see to easily.

MIKE

So, basically you have proven my point?

 

[hysperion]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Wrong. Early into the GTOs life (maybe even before it was available for sale), they announced that the 2005 model would have significant improvements. They were going to improve the car regardless of its sales.

Taking the GTO nameplate and slapping it onto a car not even built in the US turned away a lot of "nostalgia" buyers. That and completely bland styling further killed sales.

I think GM knew up front based upon market research and abysmal opening sales that they needed to do something quick. Hence the upgrade announcement early into it's life.

I heard rumors about "possible" upgrades a while back like 4-5 months ago. Then again it's possible sales were sucking at the time and that's why....I don't know why I'm arguing with people on here- I completely agree with most of the people's view. While I find this car to be good performance for the buck- it is disappointing this is what they did to the GTO which is one of GM's most storied cars ever. It should have been built ground up to be the GTO- putting the GTO name on it seems like they wanted to sell some based off the name.