2005 Acura RL AWD details released, dynamic AWD

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: bolido2000
To whom are they gonna market this car to? The acceleration device is cool, but it assumes that most owners will hit the mythical twisties. The flagship should focus on straight line power and luxury. Unless the RL is going after the 5series/GS/M

If it's going after them, it better have a gawd damn V8

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: cr4zymofo
If it was April fools, the head line would be something like "Honda anounce it's production of a Turbo Sports Compact car..>"

powered by a torquey V8....

 

[Babbles]

Wasn't this discussed like a week ago?

Anyhow I agree 100% with NFS4. Until Honda makes a car with RWD and a V8, then the Acuras will never be seirously taken as luxory sedans.

 

[NFS4]

If this is in fact the new RL, then better luck next time!

http://response.jp/issue/2004/0401/article59059_1.images/63929.jpg

 

[SuperTool]

Looks too small. Prolly next civic

 

[bolido2000]

I sure hope not. That looks like a bloated TL. It does resemble the sketch in the link by OS

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Looks too small. Prolly next civic

That's too big to be a Civic (car at the top)

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: NFS4
If this is in fact the new RL, then better luck next time!

http://response.jp/issue/2004/0401/article59059_1.images/63929.jpg

Looks like an Accord and TL had sex

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: NFS4
If this is in fact the new RL, then better luck next time!

http://response.jp/issue/2004/0401/article59059_1.images/63929.jpg

Looks like an Accord and TL had sex

And they were cousins. :Q

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Terranautical

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
Well looks like it's not a fwd-till-slip AWD system eh NFS4?

but how is this different from other AWD systems? The ATTESA-ETS system used by Nissan employs the same type of methodology in their AWD system.

Good to see Honda come out wiht it though, who knows wat kind of cool sh!t they can do once this AWD system streams down into lower-prcied sport cars

Umm you know ATTESA cars are RWD as the base drivetrain right?

So? Did he deny that?

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: Terranautical

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
Well looks like it's not a fwd-till-slip AWD system eh NFS4?

but how is this different from other AWD systems? The ATTESA-ETS system used by Nissan employs the same type of methodology in their AWD system.

Good to see Honda come out wiht it though, who knows wat kind of cool sh!t they can do once this AWD system streams down into lower-prcied sport cars

Umm you know ATTESA cars are RWD as the base drivetrain right?

and? It can go anywhere from 0:100 to 100:0 and stay at 30:70 or 70:30, etc.. depending on conditions. It also takes input from steering wheel sensors, yaw sensors, etc...and during launch, it stays at 50:50. The ATTESA isn't a RWD-till slip type AWD system. It's a total dynamic system similar to the AWD used by Porsche (in the 959).

The only neat thing about the Honda system seems to be the packaging with the center diff incorporated in the rear diff unit and using a smaller type of electromagnetic clutches (which hte ATTESA and a host of other AWD systems use as well).

Also the ATTS system in the Prelude wasn't as durable as hoped because say the car took a tight corner well and one wheel lost contact with the road (it lifted up), then as it spins freely it gets power sent to it, but when the wheel comes back down and touches the ground again, it would have added stress on the differential due to the sudden friction and after a while, bad things would happen to the ATTS system.

Hopefully they fixed that problem wiht hte new system.

 

[SuperTool]

ATESSA-ETS has more than proven itself on the Skyline GTR. This honda gimmick is pie in the sky.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
ATESSA-ETS has more than proven itself on the Skyline GTR. This honda gimmick is pie in the sky.

I wouldn't go that far. Honda usually comes through with ther claims.

There isn't a better engineering company than them, so I'm sure the system will be awesome. But to call it a breakthrough is a stretch.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: SuperTool
ATESSA-ETS has more than proven itself on the Skyline GTR. This honda gimmick is pie in the sky.

I wouldn't go that far. Honda usually comes through with ther claims.

There isn't a better engineering company than them, so I'm sure the system will be awesome. But to call it a breakthrough is a stretch.

Yeah, but they could have invested the money they spent developing that gizmo to design a V8 that would do them a lot more good.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: SuperTool
ATESSA-ETS has more than proven itself on the Skyline GTR. This honda gimmick is pie in the sky.

I wouldn't go that far. Honda usually comes through with ther claims.

There isn't a better engineering company than them, so I'm sure the system will be awesome. But to call it a breakthrough is a stretch.

Yeah, but they could have invested the money they spent developing that gizmo to design a V8 that would do them a lot more good.

You guys are too stuck up on the V8 issue. Honda is sticking by its corporate morals and kudos to them. A V8 is just one part of an equation that defines a successful luxury sedan. Knowing Honda, I'm sure they won't need it.

And after all, look at the sales of the GS300/430, 5-series, E-class. Ok ignore the GS, they don't sell well period. But if you look at the 5-er & E-class, the most popular models are the 6-cylinder versions, not the V8. There are far more E320 and 530s than there are E500 and 545s.

 

[thomsbrain]

sign me up.

as for the V8 issue, i think you should all withhold judgment until we see some performance figures. time and time again Honda has proved that they can do as well or better than other manufacturers with fewer cylinders and less displacement. that doesn't mean they won't screw this one up, but personally i expect it will be plenty quick.

 

[boomdart]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Looks nice. The big question is price.
If it's so expensive that only old people can afford it, it's not going to sell.
The styling is too radical for older demographic, and it's not a V8.
Also, I can still see Accord in it, which is pretty ghey.

LOLOLOL

"only old people can..."

LOLOLOL

Just that line paints a picture in my mind of a bunch of teenagers wishing they could afford it, or teens with their mom's SH-AWD RL and seeing just how well that handling system works...etc etc

Keep in mind the 2004 Accord V6 Coupe makes a mid 14 second quarter mile, which is pretty impressive! The Sedan has a different transmission and weighs more, making a high 15 quarter... but the coupe is pretty impressive; perhaps they should use the SH-AWD in the V6 Coupe Accord? It'd be quite the performer then!