2004 Ford Mustang GT owners: What to expect?

[AIWGuru]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: BigSmooth
I seriously doubt they won't release the V6 version at the same time as the V8. I read somewhere (C&D?) that the V6 accounts for over half of the Mustang's sales. Pictures and specs of the V6 version (4L SOHC, 202 hp, 235 lb-ft) were released at the same time as the GT.

We'll see. I hope they keep it going especially if they up the power to the level of the current GTs.
Not really that relevant here anyway since he wants a GT anyway.
The V6 was always marketed towards a younger demographic who couldn't afford the V8 and were willing to dump more money into it later for upgrades. It's still a better upgrade platform than ANY Honda ricer out there.

I would say that the vast majority of V6 owners never even open the hood. It's marketed to people who want a mustang but either can't afford the GT, or simply don't care about power, except to say they own a mustang!

I remember reading maybe a year ago or so in my mustang mag that Ford's research showed that young people who buy the V6 dump about 10K into upgrading it over years...
edit: just read that there will be a 2005 v6 priced under 20K

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: BigSmooth
I seriously doubt they won't release the V6 version at the same time as the V8. I read somewhere (C&D?) that the V6 accounts for over half of the Mustang's sales. Pictures and specs of the V6 version (4L SOHC, 202 hp, 235 lb-ft) were released at the same time as the GT.

We'll see. I hope they keep it going especially if they up the power to the level of the current GTs.
Not really that relevant here anyway since he wants a GT anyway.
The V6 was always marketed towards a younger demographic who couldn't afford the V8 and were willing to dump more money into it later for upgrades. It's still a better upgrade platform than ANY Honda ricer out there.

I would say that the vast majority of V6 owners never even open the hood. It's marketed to people who want a mustang but either can't afford the GT, or simply don't care about power, except to say they own a mustang!

I remember reading maybe a year ago or so in my mustang mag that Ford's research showed that young people who buy the V6 dump about 10K into upgrading it...

Um, what idiot would spend 10K upgrading a slow ass V6 in the first place? The 94-98 V6's were pitifully slow - 10K in engine mods (including labor) would be maybe a custom SC/turbo setup that would get it into the 13's, max. Current 99-04's might hit low 13's/high 12's, but I'm not very familiar with the 3.8 aftermarket. Might as well buy a GT and start off from near the 13's in the first place.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: ElFenix
the seats suck. replace them. the 05 should have much better seats. plus more power. plus a new chassis. and it looks better. most mustangs are pretty bullet-proof reliable though.

My aunt has had both a 95 and 98 model Mustang.....both have been Pieces of S@*#. She had to have gaskets replaced, heads, transmission, clutch, steering on the 95. 98 has had exhaust replaced, and engine.

gt or v6? i make no claims to the v6 since that isn't what he is asking about

V5 was the 95. GT is the 98. Though I will admit both are used and probably had been abused.

 

[AIWGuru]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: BigSmooth
I seriously doubt they won't release the V6 version at the same time as the V8. I read somewhere (C&D?) that the V6 accounts for over half of the Mustang's sales. Pictures and specs of the V6 version (4L SOHC, 202 hp, 235 lb-ft) were released at the same time as the GT.

We'll see. I hope they keep it going especially if they up the power to the level of the current GTs.
Not really that relevant here anyway since he wants a GT anyway.
The V6 was always marketed towards a younger demographic who couldn't afford the V8 and were willing to dump more money into it later for upgrades. It's still a better upgrade platform than ANY Honda ricer out there.

I would say that the vast majority of V6 owners never even open the hood. It's marketed to people who want a mustang but either can't afford the GT, or simply don't care about power, except to say they own a mustang!

I remember reading maybe a year ago or so in my mustang mag that Ford's research showed that young people who buy the V6 dump about 10K into upgrading it...

Um, what idiot would spend 10K upgrading a slow ass V6 in the first place? The 94-98 V6's were pitifully slow - 10K in engine mods (including labor) would be maybe a custom SC/turbo setup that would get it into the 13's, max. Current 99-04's might hit low 13's/high 12's, but I'm not very familiar with the 3.8 aftermarket. Might as well buy a GT and start off from near the 13's in the first place.

I edited my above post.
Once again, yes, it would make more sense to go for the GT in terms of TCO but this is targeted at YOUNG PEOPLE (high school - college) who can't afford a GT and will then upgrade later.

 

[StageLeft]

I remember reading maybe a year ago or so in my mustang mag that Ford's research showed that young people who buy the V6 dump about 10K into upgrading it over years...
edit: just read that there will be a 2005 v6 priced under 20K

Maybe some young people, but I assure you that the majority of V6 owners never touch the performance of their car. It's the same for any car, be it a V6, V8, Golf, Altima, Civic, etc. Most people just don't care enough.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

I edited my above post.
Once again, yes, it would make more sense to go for the GT in terms of TCO but this is targeted at YOUNG PEOPLE (high school - college) who can't afford a GT and will then upgrade later.

No I totally understand the mindset of getting a V6 over a V8. My brother in law actually has a 98 V6 himself - he has the money to but doesn't care for upgrading it. Most of the V6's I see around here are just kind of riced out in terms of upgrades - Cobra rims, Saleen body kit, sound system, etc, but very few that I know of are notably upgraded in terms of performance aside from a MAF, intake manifold, dual exhaust, the usual mods.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: BigSmooth
I seriously doubt they won't release the V6 version at the same time as the V8. I read somewhere (C&D?) that the V6 accounts for over half of the Mustang's sales. Pictures and specs of the V6 version (4L SOHC, 202 hp, 235 lb-ft) were released at the same time as the GT.

We'll see. I hope they keep it going especially if they up the power to the level of the current GTs.
Not really that relevant here anyway since he wants a GT anyway.
The V6 was always marketed towards a younger demographic who couldn't afford the V8 and were willing to dump more money into it later for upgrades. It's still a better upgrade platform than ANY Honda ricer out there.

I would say that the vast majority of V6 owners never even open the hood. It's marketed to people who want a mustang but either can't afford the GT, or simply don't care about power, except to say they own a mustang!

I remember reading maybe a year ago or so in my mustang mag that Ford's research showed that young people who buy the V6 dump about 10K into upgrading it...

Um, what idiot would spend 10K upgrading a slow ass V6 in the first place? The 94-98 V6's were pitifully slow - 10K in engine mods (including labor) would be maybe a custom SC/turbo setup that would get it into the 13's, max. Current 99-04's might hit low 13's/high 12's, but I'm not very familiar with the 3.8 aftermarket. Might as well buy a GT and start off from near the 13's in the first place.

I edited my above post.
Once again, yes, it would make more sense to go for the GT in terms of TCO but this is targeted at YOUNG PEOPLE (high school - college) who can't afford a GT and will then upgrade later.

The target buyer of the V6 mustang is not "young people". Young people buy Mustangs to go fast. Young people just buy used V8s if they can't afford new ones. People buy V6 mustangs because they think they look cool, not to modify them. There are lots and lots of 41 year old women out there who's kids have started driving who've traded in thier minivans for something more fun, and that vehicle is often a V6 mustang.

Just for fun, here's a pic of a bunch of V8 mustang owners. How old do they look to you?

 

[AIWGuru]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: BigSmooth
I seriously doubt they won't release the V6 version at the same time as the V8. I read somewhere (C&D?) that the V6 accounts for over half of the Mustang's sales. Pictures and specs of the V6 version (4L SOHC, 202 hp, 235 lb-ft) were released at the same time as the GT.

We'll see. I hope they keep it going especially if they up the power to the level of the current GTs.
Not really that relevant here anyway since he wants a GT anyway.
The V6 was always marketed towards a younger demographic who couldn't afford the V8 and were willing to dump more money into it later for upgrades. It's still a better upgrade platform than ANY Honda ricer out there.

I would say that the vast majority of V6 owners never even open the hood. It's marketed to people who want a mustang but either can't afford the GT, or simply don't care about power, except to say they own a mustang!

I remember reading maybe a year ago or so in my mustang mag that Ford's research showed that young people who buy the V6 dump about 10K into upgrading it...

Um, what idiot would spend 10K upgrading a slow ass V6 in the first place? The 94-98 V6's were pitifully slow - 10K in engine mods (including labor) would be maybe a custom SC/turbo setup that would get it into the 13's, max. Current 99-04's might hit low 13's/high 12's, but I'm not very familiar with the 3.8 aftermarket. Might as well buy a GT and start off from near the 13's in the first place.

I edited my above post.
Once again, yes, it would make more sense to go for the GT in terms of TCO but this is targeted at YOUNG PEOPLE (high school - college) who can't afford a GT and will then upgrade later.

The target buyer of the V6 mustang is not "young people". Young people buy Mustangs to go fast. Young people just buy used V8s if they can't afford new ones. People buy V6 mustangs because they think they look cool, not to modify them. There are lots and lots of 41 year old women out there who's kids have started driving who've traded in thier minivans for something more fun, and that vehicle is often a V6 mustang.

Just for fun, here's a pic of a bunch of V8 mustang owners. How old do they look to you?

I don't know but I look a lot younger than I am.
Anyway, I'm just repeating what the Ford study results were and I guess Ford would know who buys their cars

 

[StageLeft]

Anyway, I'm just repeating what the Ford study results were and I guess Ford would know who buys their cars

No, you aren't. Unless you can show that the "target audience" of V6 mustangs is young people who will later upgrade them, you're not going to convince me. Notfred said 41 year old women. Well, most of the V6s I see are driven by 41 year old women too. How many v6 mustangs on the road are modified? Almost none.

 

[AIWGuru]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Anyway, I'm just repeating what the Ford study results were and I guess Ford would know who buys their cars

No, you aren't. Unless you can show that the "target audience" of V6 mustangs is young people who will later upgrade them, you're not going to convince me. Notfred said 41 year old women. Well, most of the V6s I see are driven by 41 year old women too. How many v6 mustangs on the road are modified? Almost none.

anecdotal observation vs. study by Ford
Granted this is a year-old or so magazine but still...

 

[Quixfire]

The line up for the 2005 Mustang is as followed.

Mustang is a 202hp V6, Auto & Manual, starting at 18,000.
Mustang GT is 300hp 3valve V8, Auto & Manual, starting at 25,000
Mustang GT Convertible is 300hp 3valve V8, Auto & Manual, starting at 28,000
Cobra Mustang is delayed until 2006, which will also include a Cobra R model.

There aren?t any plans at this point to release a Mach 1, but these plans might change after the first production run.

BTW, I should be driving a Pre-Production Cobra R next week.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Gets us some pics of that Cobra R!

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Quixfire
The line up for the 2005 Mustang is as followed.

Mustang is a 202hp V6, Auto & Manual, starting at 18,000.
Mustang GT is 300hp 3valve V8, Auto & Manual, starting at 25,000
Mustang GT Convertible is 300hp 3valve V8, Auto & Manual, starting at 28,000
Cobra Mustang is delayed until 2006, which will also include a Cobra R model.

There aren?t any plans at this point to release a Mach 1, but these plans might change after the first production run.

BTW, I should be driving a Pre-Production Cobra R next week.

Will u be able to post pics? :heart:

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: Quixfire
The line up for the 2005 Mustang is as followed.

Mustang is a 202hp V6, Auto & Manual, starting at 18,000.
Mustang GT is 300hp 3valve V8, Auto & Manual, starting at 25,000
Mustang GT Convertible is 300hp 3valve V8, Auto & Manual, starting at 28,000
Cobra Mustang is delayed until 2006, which will also include a Cobra R model.

There aren?t any plans at this point to release a Mach 1, but these plans might change after the first production run.

BTW, I should be driving a Pre-Production Cobra R next week.

WTF!!...how are you getting to drive that? In for PICs and review.

 

[AIWGuru]

:heart:

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Anyway, I'm just repeating what the Ford study results were and I guess Ford would know who buys their cars

No, you aren't. Unless you can show that the "target audience" of V6 mustangs is young people who will later upgrade them, you're not going to convince me. Notfred said 41 year old women. Well, most of the V6s I see are driven by 41 year old women too. How many v6 mustangs on the road are modified? Almost none.

anecdotal observation vs. study by Ford
Granted this is a year-old or so magazine but still...

What study is this you keep referring to? Is this the "I'm pulling it out of my ass" study? That's what it sounds like to me as a 22 year old V8 mustang owner.

 

[BigSmooth]

Originally posted by: Quixfire
The line up for the 2005 Mustang is as followed.

Mustang is a 202hp V6, Auto & Manual, starting at 18,000.
Mustang GT is 300hp 3valve V8, Auto & Manual, starting at 25,000
Mustang GT Convertible is 300hp 3valve V8, Auto & Manual, starting at 28,000
Cobra Mustang is delayed until 2006, which will also include a Cobra R model.

There aren?t any plans at this point to release a Mach 1, but these plans might change after the first production run.

BTW, I should be driving a Pre-Production Cobra R next week.

There's a V6 convertible too, right? The current one seems to sell well (although lots of fleet sales probably contribute to that).

Also, anybody know what the timeframe is for the convertibles to hit dealerships? I know it will be later than the coupes, but I can't seem to find just how much later it will be.

 

[AIWGuru]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Anyway, I'm just repeating what the Ford study results were and I guess Ford would know who buys their cars

No, you aren't. Unless you can show that the "target audience" of V6 mustangs is young people who will later upgrade them, you're not going to convince me. Notfred said 41 year old women. Well, most of the V6s I see are driven by 41 year old women too. How many v6 mustangs on the road are modified? Almost none.

anecdotal observation vs. study by Ford
Granted this is a year-old or so magazine but still...

What study is this you keep referring to? Is this the "I'm pulling it out of my ass" study? That's what it sounds like to me as a 22 year old V8 mustang owner.

24 actually. As I've said repeatedly, it's a magazine that I read about a year ago. Just because you don't agree with the article, and I'm not so sure myself either, doesn't mean you have to be a complete dickhead.

 

[Quixfire]

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: Quixfire
The line up for the 2005 Mustang is as followed.

Mustang is a 202hp V6, Auto & Manual, starting at 18,000.
Mustang GT is 300hp 3valve V8, Auto & Manual, starting at 25,000
Mustang GT Convertible is 300hp 3valve V8, Auto & Manual, starting at 28,000
Cobra Mustang is delayed until 2006, which will also include a Cobra R model.

There aren?t any plans at this point to release a Mach 1, but these plans might change after the first production run.

BTW, I should be driving a Pre-Production Cobra R next week.

WTF!!...how are you getting to drive that? In for PICs and review.

I work for a vendor to Ford Motor Company and I also work with Roush Industries and occasionally they have Pre-production models on hand when I am there for meetings.

I have seen the following vehicles two years before production.
2005 Ford GT (GT40)
2003 Cobra Mustang
2002 Ford Thunderbird
2001 Ford F150 Lightening

Out of all the vehicles I have seen the new 2005 Mustang has me really exited, this car is going to put Ford back on target with performance cars.

Unfortunately cameras are forbidden on the property so I won?t be able to take any photos, but another friend of mine has some marketing photos he should be e-mailing me soon. I'll check with him to see if they are safe to post.

 

[AIWGuru]

Originally posted by: Quixfire

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: Quixfire
The line up for the 2005 Mustang is as followed.

Mustang is a 202hp V6, Auto & Manual, starting at 18,000.
Mustang GT is 300hp 3valve V8, Auto & Manual, starting at 25,000
Mustang GT Convertible is 300hp 3valve V8, Auto & Manual, starting at 28,000
Cobra Mustang is delayed until 2006, which will also include a Cobra R model.

There aren?t any plans at this point to release a Mach 1, but these plans might change after the first production run.

BTW, I should be driving a Pre-Production Cobra R next week.

WTF!!...how are you getting to drive that? In for PICs and review.

I work for a vendor to Ford Motor Company and I also work with Roush Industries and occasionally they have Pre-production models on hand when I am there for meetings.

I have seen the following vehicles two years before production.
2005 Ford GT (GT40)
2003 Cobra Mustang
2002 Ford Thunderbird
2001 Ford F150 Lightening

Out of all the vehicles I have seen the new 2005 Mustang has me really exited, this car is going to put Ford back on target with performance cars.

Unfortunately cameras are forbidden on the property so I won?t be able to take any photos, but another friend of mine has some marketing photos he should be e-mailing me soon. I'll check with him to see if they are safe to post.

You were more impressed with the mustang than the Ford GT?
Don't get me wrong, I love the Mustang but....GT:Q

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Anyway, I'm just repeating what the Ford study results were and I guess Ford would know who buys their cars

No, you aren't. Unless you can show that the "target audience" of V6 mustangs is young people who will later upgrade them, you're not going to convince me. Notfred said 41 year old women. Well, most of the V6s I see are driven by 41 year old women too. How many v6 mustangs on the road are modified? Almost none.

anecdotal observation vs. study by Ford
Granted this is a year-old or so magazine but still...

What study is this you keep referring to? Is this the "I'm pulling it out of my ass" study? That's what it sounds like to me as a 22 year old V8 mustang owner.

24 actually. As I've said repeatedly, it's a magazine that I read about a year ago. Just because you don't agree with the article, and I'm not so sure myself either, doesn't mean you have to be a complete dickhead.

Are you telling me that I'm 24 years old now?

 

[Quixfire]

Originally posted by: BigSmooth

Originally posted by: Quixfire
The line up for the 2005 Mustang is as followed.

Mustang is a 202hp V6, Auto & Manual, starting at 18,000.
Mustang GT is 300hp 3valve V8, Auto & Manual, starting at 25,000
Mustang GT Convertible is 300hp 3valve V8, Auto & Manual, starting at 28,000
Cobra Mustang is delayed until 2006, which will also include a Cobra R model.

There aren?t any plans at this point to release a Mach 1, but these plans might change after the first production run.

BTW, I should be driving a Pre-Production Cobra R next week.

There's a V6 convertible too, right? The current one seems to sell well (although lots of fleet sales probably contribute to that).

Also, anybody know what the timeframe is for the convertibles to hit dealerships? I know it will be later than the coupes, but I can't seem to find just how much later it will be.

I haven't seen the production matrix yet, but last I heard the convertible was slated for the GT model only in 2005, they might add a V6 model in 2006.

 

[AIWGuru]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Anyway, I'm just repeating what the Ford study results were and I guess Ford would know who buys their cars

No, you aren't. Unless you can show that the "target audience" of V6 mustangs is young people who will later upgrade them, you're not going to convince me. Notfred said 41 year old women. Well, most of the V6s I see are driven by 41 year old women too. How many v6 mustangs on the road are modified? Almost none.

anecdotal observation vs. study by Ford
Granted this is a year-old or so magazine but still...

What study is this you keep referring to? Is this the "I'm pulling it out of my ass" study? That's what it sounds like to me as a 22 year old V8 mustang owner.

24 actually. As I've said repeatedly, it's a magazine that I read about a year ago. Just because you don't agree with the article, and I'm not so sure myself either, doesn't mean you have to be a complete dickhead.

Are you telling me that I'm 24 years old now?

Sorry, I thought you were calling me a 22 year old mustang V8 owner. We're both Mustang V8 owners, it seems

 

[Quixfire]

Originally posted by: AIWGuru

Originally posted by: Quixfire

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: Quixfire
The line up for the 2005 Mustang is as followed.

Mustang is a 202hp V6, Auto & Manual, starting at 18,000.
Mustang GT is 300hp 3valve V8, Auto & Manual, starting at 25,000
Mustang GT Convertible is 300hp 3valve V8, Auto & Manual, starting at 28,000
Cobra Mustang is delayed until 2006, which will also include a Cobra R model.

There aren?t any plans at this point to release a Mach 1, but these plans might change after the first production run.

BTW, I should be driving a Pre-Production Cobra R next week.

WTF!!...how are you getting to drive that? In for PICs and review.

I work for a vendor to Ford Motor Company and I also work with Roush Industries and occasionally they have Pre-production models on hand when I am there for meetings.

I have seen the following vehicles two years before production.
2005 Ford GT (GT40)
2003 Cobra Mustang
2002 Ford Thunderbird
2001 Ford F150 Lightening

Out of all the vehicles I have seen the new 2005 Mustang has me really exited, this car is going to put Ford back on target with performance cars.

Unfortunately cameras are forbidden on the property so I won?t be able to take any photos, but another friend of mine has some marketing photos he should be e-mailing me soon. I'll check with him to see if they are safe to post.

You were more impressed with the mustang than the Ford GT?
Don't get me wrong, I love the Mustang but....GT:Q

Given the cost per performance I am very impressed with the Mustang GT. The Ford GT is just amazing and handles as good, if not better, than the original GT40. But with a cost of 100,000+ dollars and the fact it's a limited production vehicle it's not going to be flying out of the dealerships like the new mustang.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I've owned 2 Mustang GTs and both were great cars. I'm seriously thinking of buying a 2005 GT coupe. I'll keep the Isuzu Rodeo and the Maxima. Isuzu will get kicked to the curb for parking and the Maxima and GT will occupy the garage.