2004 Election: Donkey or Dumbo?

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SuperTool

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: tweakmm There's nothing wrong with being a socialist, there is something wrong with being a fascist.

Socialism and Democracy tend to repel each other...

I am sure the Europeans will be happy to find out about that. It's not entirely unusual for people in a Democracy to choose Socialism as their economic system.
 

sMiLeYz

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: tweakmm There's nothing wrong with being a socialist, there is something wrong with being a fascist.

Socialism and Democracy tend to repel each other...

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Making a dumbass generalization like that shows you don't grasp the meaning of either words.

and...

Have you been to Europe? Have you been to Canada? I believe our friends in those countries would love to debate you on how wrong you are.
 

PatboyX

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Aug 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
I can clearly see who has the majority so far... :)

dont challenge them! i feel like the republicans far outweight the democrats on this board but there are threads they avoid until baited like that!
let me live in a hope that (somehow) this very restricted group of people could represent the country.
 

phillyTIM

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Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
I will be forced to vote for Bush in '04 unless the Republicans can come up with a more viable candidate. At this time I just can't stomach the thought of what a Democrat in the Whitehouse would do to us.

Considering the fact that there were no decency or morals left in the Whitehouse when the Clilntons left, Bush had nowhere to go except to maintain the status quo or up. To each his own in deciding that.

Here's :beer:'s to the elections in '04.

:D
It's just plain WRONG to vote soley on party lines. The right way is to vote for the individual who you think is better capable for the job.

Certainly there is no choice when you pit Bush against, say, a Clark (D) or someone like that who has real high-level military experience with experience of working with people rather than against them (the type of experience is what the white house really needs right now). Bush sure as hell doesn't have it.

 

phillyTIM

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
No - it'd be "irony" if someone said it who constanly posts "the sky is falling" type posts. I don't post in such a fashion - there are plenty that do though. Thanks for playing though:)

CkG
Riiiight you are CAD, you don't post that way. You just post your smug rhetoric against anything that is less-than-praise for your Bush love.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
No - it'd be "irony" if someone said it who constanly posts "the sky is falling" type posts. I don't post in such a fashion - there are plenty that do though. Thanks for playing though:)

CkG
Riiiight you are CAD, you don't post that way. You just post your smug rhetoric against anything that is less-than-praise for your Bush love.

No, actually I post what I believe to be right according to my values and principles - I vote that way too. The sky isn't falling, but yes we may as a nation be headed down the wrong path but I don't believe that ANY of the current Dem crop will steer it in the direction I'd like it to go and Bush isn't doing things I'd praise perse - but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternatives at this point.
It's good to see you changed your Bush accusation:) I do love Bush - just not the man Bush;):Q:D But you are almost correct - I will challenge those who constantly spew their anti-Bush rhetoric - if you disagree on individual issues - that's fine, I can't fault you if you truely believe in an issue. But these constant rants about the total destruction of the US by Bush are just stupid and will not go unnoticed or unchallenged.

CkG
 

Insane3D

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
No - it'd be "irony" if someone said it who constanly posts "the sky is falling" type posts. I don't post in such a fashion - there are plenty that do though. Thanks for playing though:)

CkG
Riiiight you are CAD, you don't post that way. You just post your smug rhetoric against anything that is less-than-praise for your Bush love.

No, actually I post what I believe to be right according to my values and principles - I vote that way too. The sky isn't falling, but yes we may as a nation be headed down the wrong path but I don't believe that ANY of the current Dem crop will steer it in the direction I'd like it to go and Bush isn't doing things I'd praise perse - but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternatives at this point.
It's good to see you changed your Bush accusation:) I do love Bush - just not the man Bush;):Q:D But you are almost correct - I will challenge those who constantly spew their anti-Bush rhetoric - if you disagree on individual issues - that's fine, I can't fault you if you truely believe in an issue. But these constant rants about the total destruction of the US by Bush are just stupid and will not go unnoticed or unchallenged.

CkG

Cad, you're my internet hero.

 

heartsurgeon

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Aug 18, 2001
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Anyone who votes for Bush is a fool, fascist, religious zealot, or for whatever reason just wants to see the further demise of everything good this country stands for.

no no, you got the talking points wrong..
it's moron, immoral and liar, you got the first two, but left out liar..

when your going to indulge in the standard liberal/democrat rant, at least
follow the guidelines of the DNC correctly!
 

Wolfdog

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I feel the same as the first few threads here. Bush is a total moron. Enough said. He is like dumb and dumberer, he should ride the short bus to work. :p Whatever candidate has the best chance of winning gets my vote. That is of course if Bush doesn't find himself in prision for purgering himself against the american people, and selling out US operatives. Whoops I swear I don't know how that statement got in there, isn't the right response!! Politicians are the scurge of the earth. They produce no product, and they drain the american economy out of hundreds of millions, paying for thier salaries and "perks".
As an aside I don't get how he feels that the US is always right when they go out and kill people. While when other countries take out a major terrorist center, they are wrong. Like the israili bombing in syria that happened this last week. The pictures clearly show a surplus of military arms, while the syrians are saying that it was a residential place???? While the bush regime is saying that they will look at the evidence. (He couldn't find his head if he had a map, a cat 9 and a logging chain.) Then the UN had a special session sunday to do nothing basically. It makes me feel that the world is 2/3rd retarded.
 

Flyermax2k3

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If I vote for anyone in the upcoming election (which I probably won't, I don't believe in voting for the "lesser of two evils") I would vote for President G. W. Antichrist so the events of Revelation can come all that much sooner and Yeshua HaMashiach can return :)
 

Gaard

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<<No, actually I post what I believe to be right according to my values and principles>>

I seem to remember you saying once that you take the 'other side' so much because you don't like all the Bush bashing going on.



I agree with the person who said that voting stricly for partisan reasons is stupid. It's probably too late, but maybe the OP should add another option..."Whoever I believe would make a better president."
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Gaard
<<No, actually I post what I believe to be right according to my values and principles>>

I seem to remember you saying once that you take the 'other side' so much because you don't like all the Bush bashing going on.

Are they mutually exclusive? No. ;)
I have also stated that there are thing that people(liberals) should be "bashing" Bush on - too bad they can't see through all the partisan BS to get to the real issues. I'm not going to knock down the only person(who has a chance at winning) even closely resembles my morals/values/principles/ideals - so you can forget about "asking" what you should be hitting him with, there is plenty of bashing going on already and I'm not going to fan those flames.

CkG
 

LunarRay

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Davis is not new to all this... Gray Davis served as Lieutenant Governor (1995-99), State Controller (1987-95), State Assemblyman (1983-87) and Chief of Staff to Governor Edmund G. Brown Jr. (1975-1981). He served in VietNam and was elected by a 'land slide' in '98 and re-elected in '02.
You tell me why the Issa person started the recall as soon as the results were tabulated. Had nothing to do with the time after re-election. He, Issa, could not stand Davis in Sacramento and found a way to get himself in the Governor's mansion.. Now Ahold wants in and refers to the issues that were before the last election where Californian's made their choice.
Lots of Conservative folks in my neighborhood see this as not playing fair... Interesting notion that.. They will do everything they can but when the voter votes they move on to the next election. Not so Issa and for this act of his I think he's lost a lot of support in his own party.. He's not in my district, Cunningham is but, the Republicans I know find it gives them a bad taste.. They intend to vote no on the recall and McClintock.. go figure.. (not a scientific poll)

 

BoberFett

Lifer
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Originally posted by: LunarRay
Davis is not new to all this... Gray Davis served as Lieutenant Governor (1995-99), State Controller (1987-95), State Assemblyman (1983-87) and Chief of Staff to Governor Edmund G. Brown Jr. (1975-1981). He served in VietNam and was elected by a 'land slide' in '98 and re-elected in '02.
You tell me why the Issa person started the recall as soon as the results were tabulated. Had nothing to do with the time after re-election. He, Issa, could not stand Davis in Sacramento and found a way to get himself in the Governor's mansion.. Now Ahold wants in and refers to the issues that were before the last election where Californian's made their choice.
Lots of Conservative folks in my neighborhood see this as not playing fair... Interesting notion that.. They will do everything they can but when the voter votes they move on to the next election. Not so Issa and for this act of his I think he's lost a lot of support in his own party.. He's not in my district, Cunningham is but, the Republicans I know find it gives them a bad taste.. They intend to vote no on the recall and McClintock.. go figure.. (not a scientific poll)
If Gore can have 8 more chances after Bush won, then I think it's only fair to give the California Republicans another go at it.
 

Nitemare

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Feb 8, 2001
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Originally posted by: TheBDB
I live in Texas so there is no reason for me to vote. It sucks living in a state where your vote doesn't count. :(

NC votes republican every year. Heck, if John Edwards were to do the unthinkable and win the democratic nomination, he couldn't even carry this state.

I will likely be voting Libertarian in 2004 unless a Democrat has a chance of taking NC in which case I will be voting Republican. Lately, Bush is resembling a democrat more and more. Heard on Boortz last night where he owned 3 out of the largest 4 years in government spending, the only other year that could compete was one of the years in which we were engaged in WW2.
 

Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Davis is not new to all this... Gray Davis served as Lieutenant Governor (1995-99), State Controller (1987-95), State Assemblyman (1983-87) and Chief of Staff to Governor Edmund G. Brown Jr. (1975-1981). He served in VietNam and was elected by a 'land slide' in '98 and re-elected in '02.
You tell me why the Issa person started the recall as soon as the results were tabulated. Had nothing to do with the time after re-election. He, Issa, could not stand Davis in Sacramento and found a way to get himself in the Governor's mansion.. Now Ahold wants in and refers to the issues that were before the last election where Californian's made their choice.
Lots of Conservative folks in my neighborhood see this as not playing fair... Interesting notion that.. They will do everything they can but when the voter votes they move on to the next election. Not so Issa and for this act of his I think he's lost a lot of support in his own party.. He's not in my district, Cunningham is but, the Republicans I know find it gives them a bad taste.. They intend to vote no on the recall and McClintock.. go figure.. (not a scientific poll)
If Gore can have 8 more chances after Bush won, then I think it's only fair to give the California Republicans another go at it.

Especially considering the Davis landslide........
 

Nitemare

Lifer
Feb 8, 2001
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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Davis is not new to all this... Gray Davis served as Lieutenant Governor (1995-99), State Controller (1987-95), State Assemblyman (1983-87) and Chief of Staff to Governor Edmund G. Brown Jr. (1975-1981). He served in VietNam and was elected by a 'land slide' in '98 and re-elected in '02.
You tell me why the Issa person started the recall as soon as the results were tabulated. Had nothing to do with the time after re-election. He, Issa, could not stand Davis in Sacramento and found a way to get himself in the Governor's mansion.. Now Ahold wants in and refers to the issues that were before the last election where Californian's made their choice.
Lots of Conservative folks in my neighborhood see this as not playing fair... Interesting notion that.. They will do everything they can but when the voter votes they move on to the next election. Not so Issa and for this act of his I think he's lost a lot of support in his own party.. He's not in my district, Cunningham is but, the Republicans I know find it gives them a bad taste.. They intend to vote no on the recall and McClintock.. go figure.. (not a scientific poll)
If Gore can have 8 more chances after Bush won, then I think it's only fair to give the California Republicans another go at it.

Especially considering the Davis landslide........

Had he not ran a slander and vicious character assassination against Riordan we would not be in this boat.