Mr.IncrediblyBored
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The 2001 and 2002 Mazda MP3's were manufactured in limited numbers and sold out extremely quickly. I haven't seen volume numbers for the the 2003 Mazdaspeed Protegé.
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Originally posted by: vi_edit
This is true. But VW/Audi wasn't trying to compete with other pocket rocket cars with it either. Well, that and everybody knew you could be pumping out 200HP/250 ft/lbs with a simple $300 mod too
how long before similar mods are out for this car?
Sorry, have to defend my car here. Where can you find a review saying that the WRX is a poorly made car? Every single review I've read is mostly positive. And the WRX is $22k base... That said, you don't see me knocking any cars before I actually get behind the wheel and test drive them....
Cheers to the misinformed,
Purg-Z
That's debatable especially for autoX... the Neon's lack of a front LSD means it'll be slower through turns as it can't harness the insane power advantage it has.
Whereas the Protege is able to put down power effectively and rotate the car under throttle pretty friggin well... something an open diff can't really do that well considering it'lll just spin the inside tire. The Neon does handle really well though, and add some Mopar handling mods and it'll prolly keep up quite well.
On a track, the open diff prolly won't hurt as much since the Neon will prolly more than be able to pick up time lost on the straights. I definitely think of the Mazdaspeed as a better TypeR... not quite as gutless in the lower rpm ranges (ie no VTEC).
The reason why it's 170hp and not more is because it's a "hack"... all Callaway did was take the regular NA engine and add boost to it. They didn't rework the internals, etc... so if you turn up the boost with a controller, you'll prolly blow up your engine.
I'd still buy a Miata or SRT4 before the Mazdaspeed though, it's a good buy, but doesn't seem to have much potential without making a "built" engine.
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Heh. Know what would be cool? The MazdaSpeed Protege with the drivetrain from the European Focus RS
Bah...I'd rather have the Focus RS itself than a Protege + drivetrain.
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Heh. Know what would be cool? The MazdaSpeed Protege with the drivetrain from the European Focus RS
Bah!!! Just import the whole Focus RS
Or even better, the Focus Cosworth... VW Golf R32??? Whut R32?
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: vi_edit
This is true. But VW/Audi wasn't trying to compete with other pocket rocket cars with it either. Well, that and everybody knew you could be pumping out 200HP/250 ft/lbs with a simple $300 mod too
how long before similar mods are out for this car?
Do we know if this engine can handle the extra boost of a chip? With the 1.8T you could see that an Audi with the same engine was capable of handling the strain, but I don't know of another car that uses this same engine generating more hp. So after market chips capable of delivering big gains might never show up...
Originally posted by: MemnochtheDevil
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: vi_edit
This is true. But VW/Audi wasn't trying to compete with other pocket rocket cars with it either. Well, that and everybody knew you could be pumping out 200HP/250 ft/lbs with a simple $300 mod too
how long before similar mods are out for this car?
Do we know if this engine can handle the extra boost of a chip? With the 1.8T you could see that an Audi with the same engine was capable of handling the strain, but I don't know of another car that uses this same engine generating more hp. So after market chips capable of delivering big gains might never show up...
Actually, like I stated before, we know that the Mazdaspeed engine will NOT be a VW 1.8T. It's just too friggin weak of an engine. It'd hole a piston, throw a rod, and then blow the headgasket and finally detonate the crap out of itself or any myriad of boost induced death scenarios.
It's a hack standard NA engine with a turbo slapped on it with low boost to make it live longer. Methinks Mazda might lose money if it turns out that owners keep on blowing up their engines, just like with the RX7s.
Actually, I did test drive the WRX...and not only did I test the car, my friend works on them. Aside from the rattles and squeaks, the oil leak isn't that big a deal
Lets see, first, the engine will start leaking oil... then comes the rattles and squeaks...and then, oh my, the interior pieces seem to start coming off...
oh yeah, that particular WRX was owned by a middle aged man who had about 20,000 miles on the car. I have many more stories if you like... or do you believe everything you read? It's obvious you know very little of cars except "give it gas, go vroom vroom"... so I'll shed some light on the subject:
When your close friend is a car mechanic, you hear many, many stories of the day (to the point your about to scream) and I can tell you the top canidates for cars to avoid:
1. of or pertaining to Ford (this is a given)
2. of or pertaining to Dodge (another given)
3. of or pertaining to Mazda ( mazdas aren't bad cars, but when something goes wrong prepare to file bankruptcy)
4. of or pertaining to Subaru (a car PRONE to oil leaks, blown gaskets, and body "droop")
5. VW (another given, electrical problems like you wouldn't believe) <---- I have some funny stories about this one
6. Chevy... just prone to cheap interior materials, boring design, and poor fit and finish. Engines are quite good.
There are more, like Mitsubishi, but I wont go any further.
Cheers to the blind
Lets see, first, the engine will start leaking oil... then comes the rattles and squeaks...and then, oh my, the interior pieces seem to start coming off...
oh yeah, that particular WRX was owned by a middle aged man who had about 20,000 miles on the car. I have many more stories if you like... or do you believe everything you read? It's obvious you know very little of cars except "give it gas, go vroom vroom"... so I'll shed some light on the subject:
When your close friend is a car mechanic, you hear many, many stories of the day (to the point your about to scream) and I can tell you the top canidates for cars to avoid:
1. of or pertaining to Ford (this is a given)
2. of or pertaining to Dodge (another given)
3. of or pertaining to Mazda ( mazdas aren't bad cars, but when something goes wrong prepare to file bankruptcy)
4. of or pertaining to Subaru (a car PRONE to oil leaks, blown gaskets, and body "droop")
5. VW (another given, electrical problems like you wouldn't believe) <---- I have some funny stories about this one
6. Chevy... just prone to cheap interior materials, boring design, and poor fit and finish. Engines are quite good.
There are more, like Mitsubishi, but I wont go any further.
Cheers to the blind
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Originally posted by: Gulzakar
Actually, I did test drive the WRX...and not only did I test the car, my friend works on them. Aside from the rattles and squeaks, the oil leak isn't that big a deal
Lets see, first, the engine will start leaking oil... then comes the rattles and squeaks...and then, oh my, the interior pieces seem to start coming off...
oh yeah, that particular WRX was owned by a middle aged man who had about 20,000 miles on the car. I have many more stories if you like... or do you believe everything you read? It's obvious you know very little of cars except "give it gas, go vroom vroom"... so I'll shed some light on the subject:
When your close friend is a car mechanic, you hear many, many stories of the day (to the point your about to scream) and I can tell you the top canidates for cars to avoid:
1. of or pertaining to Ford (this is a given)
2. of or pertaining to Dodge (another given)
3. of or pertaining to Mazda ( mazdas aren't bad cars, but when something goes wrong prepare to file bankruptcy)
4. of or pertaining to Subaru (a car PRONE to oil leaks, blown gaskets, and body "droop")
5. VW (another given, electrical problems like you wouldn't believe) <---- I have some funny stories about this one
6. Chevy... just prone to cheap interior materials, boring design, and poor fit and finish. Engines are quite good.
There are more, like Mitsubishi, but I wont go any further.
Cheers to the blind
LOL, that list sounds about right
Originally posted by: Gulzakar
Actually, I did test drive the WRX...and not only did I test the car, my friend works on them. Aside from the rattles and squeaks, the oil leak isn't that big a deal
Lets see, first, the engine will start leaking oil... then comes the rattles and squeaks...and then, oh my, the interior pieces seem to start coming off...
oh yeah, that particular WRX was owned by a middle aged man who had about 20,000 miles on the car. I have many more stories if you like... or do you believe everything you read? It's obvious you know very little of cars except "give it gas, go vroom vroom"... so I'll shed some light on the subject:
When your close friend is a car mechanic, you hear many, many stories of the day (to the point your about to scream) and I can tell you the top canidates for cars to avoid:
1. of or pertaining to Ford (this is a given)
2. of or pertaining to Dodge (another given)
3. of or pertaining to Mazda ( mazdas aren't bad cars, but when something goes wrong prepare to file bankruptcy)
4. of or pertaining to Subaru (a car PRONE to oil leaks, blown gaskets, and body "droop")
5. VW (another given, electrical problems like you wouldn't believe) <---- I have some funny stories about this one
6. Chevy... just prone to cheap interior materials, boring design, and poor fit and finish. Engines are quite good.
There are more, like Mitsubishi, but I wont go any further.
Cheers to the blind
Firstly, this will be my last post on this subject, regardless of how witty the impending reply will be =). I'm sure you've known someone who had a Subaru breakdown on them.. I'm also sure you have a friend who is a mechanic that has bad experiences with many cars (he's a mechanic, ALL they see is broken cars, all day). However, I own a WRX (and not only can I drive it well, I perform most of the work/mods myself). I disagree with you, because they aren't known for blown gaskets. It's called operator error. Stick a n00b driver and a MBC(the cheapest bang for the buck in terms of pure HP gain, around $40) on a WRX and kiss the engine goodbye when he runs lean from PTFB. I'll agree with you on the rattling part, eventually the white plastic connectors that hold the upper part of the dash together start to wiggle, fixable with $4 in parts. You mistated the price, though. A WRX sells for $22.7k, according to kbb invoice (I paid $200 over invoice myself). Clearly you have a knowledge of cars, and I respect that. But instead of lashing out in a quasi insulting "you don't know jack about cars, and I do + here's why" post simply because I stated my opinion, take slightly less offense and shrug it off =).
Cheers,
Purg-Z
Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Yes, but the Neon is a Dodge. Have you recently owned a Chrysler product? For anyone considering the Neon SRT-4, just ensure you buy the extended warranty to protect you until 100,000 miles. Also, ensure that there is a loan car provision in the warranty, because I have a feeling you're going to need it.Originally posted by: vi_edit
Hate to say it, but there really is no reason to buy this over the new Neon SRT-4
The dodge whoops it's ass.
you obviously haven't owned a Dodge. Neons are very reliable cars.
You guys do realize that the A4 only has 170 hp and 166 lb of torque right? It's a turbo 1.8 as well. I don't care though, I'd still hit...err I mean driver the A4
isildur
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Just picked up an 03 msp on Saturday, paid the 20,500 msrp.
Sure its not as fast as a WRX, but its a good $5k cheaper (if you want to have ANY options on the WRX), I prefer both the interior and exterior styling, and it comes with a MUCH better audio system.
Sure its not as fast as an SRT, but I don't care for the look of the neon either and by all accounts it's handling is better than the dodge.
Plus, at 1200# cw, those 170 horses go a pretty long way - I'm only at 220 miles so we're taking it easy on that t25, but she'll pick up and go nicely and holy sheyit is it fun to drive.
If you can find someone to let you drive one and you're looking at this type of car in this price range (i.e. STI/Evo VIII are out of range) DEFINITELY give this guy a chance, the whole is VASTLY greater than the sum of its parts.
Sure its not as fast as a WRX, but its a good $5k cheaper (if you want to have ANY options on the WRX), I prefer both the interior and exterior styling, and it comes with a MUCH better audio system.
Sure its not as fast as an SRT, but I don't care for the look of the neon either and by all accounts it's handling is better than the dodge.
Plus, at 1200# cw, those 170 horses go a pretty long way - I'm only at 220 miles so we're taking it easy on that t25, but she'll pick up and go nicely and holy sheyit is it fun to drive.
If you can find someone to let you drive one and you're looking at this type of car in this price range (i.e. STI/Evo VIII are out of range) DEFINITELY give this guy a chance, the whole is VASTLY greater than the sum of its parts.
NutBucket
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You guys bashing Subarus for having oil leaks should look a little more into it. Coming from a very reputable Porsche/BMW/Benz shop I was told that they only guarantee no leaks on 911s (air cooled). If there's a drip, then there's a drip. Its a problem inherent to boxer motors as far as I can tell. Flame me if you like or just tell me Porsche can't design a motor
BigSmooth
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Congrats on the new car... paying full MSRP, though? Yikes! :Q
You could have easily gotten a pretty loaded, lightly used '02 WRX for that. Sounds like you like the Protege more anyway, though, so I am sure you'll be happy with it.
A neighbor has one in that bright orange color, definitely an attention-getter.Congrats on the new ride, which color did you get?
Originally posted by: isildur
Just picked up an 03 msp on Saturday, paid the 20,500 msrp.
Sure its not as fast as a WRX, but its a good $5k cheaper (if you want to have ANY options on the WRX), I prefer both the interior and exterior styling, and it comes with a MUCH better audio system.
Sure its not as fast as an SRT, but I don't care for the look of the neon either and by all accounts it's handling is better than the dodge.
Plus, at 1200# cw, those 170 horses go a pretty long way - I'm only at 220 miles so we're taking it easy on that t25, but she'll pick up and go nicely and holy sheyit is it fun to drive.
If you can find someone to let you drive one and you're looking at this type of car in this price range (i.e. STI/Evo VIII are out of range) DEFINITELY give this guy a chance, the whole is VASTLY greater than the sum of its parts.
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