2000's worst decade in 200 years of recorded history

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The U.S. stock market is wrapping up what is likely to be its worst decade ever.

In nearly 200 years of recorded stock-market history, no calendar decade has seen such a dismal performance as the 2000s.

Investors would have been better off investing in pretty much anything else, from bonds to gold or even just stuffing money under a mattress. Since the end of 1999, stocks traded on the New York Stock Exchange have lost an average of 0.5% a year thanks to the twin bear markets this decade.

The period has provided a lesson for ordinary Americans who used stocks as their primary way of saving for retirement.


Many investors were lured to the stock market by the bull market that began in the early 1980s and gained force through the 1990s. But coming out of the 1990s—when a 17.6% average annual gain made it the second-best decade in history behind the 1950s—stocks simply had gotten too expensive. Companies also pared dividends, cutting into investor returns. And in a time of financial panic like 2008, stocks were a terrible place to invest.

With two weeks to go in 2009, the declines since the end of 1999 make the last 10 years the worst calendar decade for stocks going back to the 1820s, when reliable stock market records begin, according to data compiled by Yale University finance professor William Goetzmann. He estimates it would take a 3.6% rise between now and year end for the decade to come in better than the 0.2% decline suffered by stocks during the Depression years of the 1930s.

The past decade also well underperformed other decades with major financial panics, such as in 1907 and 1893.

"The last 10 years have been a nightmare, really poor," for U.S. stocks, said Michele Gambera, chief economist at Ibbotson Associates.

While the overall market trend has been a steady march upward, the last decade is a reminder that stocks can decline over long periods of time, he said.

"It's not frequent, but it can happen," Mr. Gambera said.

To some degree these statistics are a quirk of the calendar, based on when the 10-year period starts and finishes. The 10-year periods ending in 1937 and 1938 were worse than the most recent calendar decade because they capture the full effect of stocks hitting their peak in 1929 and the October crash of that year.

From 2000 through November 2009, investors would have been far better off owning bonds, which posted gains ranging from 5.6% to more than 8% depending on the sector, according to Ibbotson. Gold was the best-performing asset, up 15% a year this decade after losing 3% each year during the 1990s.

This past decade looks even worse when the impact of inflation is considered.

Since the end of 1999, the Standard & Poor's 500-stock index has lost an average of 3.3% a year on an inflation-adjusted basis, compared with a 1.8% average annual gain during the 1930s when deflation afflicted the economy, according to data compiled by Charles Jones, finance professor at North Carolina State University. His data use dividend estimates for 2009 and the consumer price index for the 12 months through November.

Even the 1970s, when a bear market was coupled with inflation, wasn't as bad as the most recent period. The S&P 500 lost 1.4% after inflation during that decade.

That is especially disappointing news for investors, considering that a key goal of investing in stocks is to increase money faster than inflation.

"This decade is the big loser," said Mr. Jones.

For investors counting on stocks for retirement plans, the most recent decade means many have fallen behind retirement goals. Many financial plans assume a 10% annual return for stocks over the long term, but over the last 20 years, the S&P 500 is registering 8.2% annual gains.

Should stocks average 10% a year for the next decade, that would lift the 30-year average return to only 8.8%, said North Carolina State's Mr. Jones. It is even worse news for those who started investing in 2000; a 10% return a year would get them up to only 4.4% a year.

There were ways to make money in U.S. stocks during the last decade. But the returns paled in comparison with those posted in the 1990s.

Of the 30 stocks today that comprise the Dow Jones Industrial Average, only 13 are up since the end of 1999, and just two, Caterpillar Inc. and United Technologies Corp., doubled over the 10-year span.

So what went wrong for the U.S. stock market?

For starters, it turned out that the old rules of valuation matter.

"We came into this decade horribly overpriced," said Jeremy Grantham, co-founder of money managers GMO LLC.

In late 1999, the stocks in the S&P 500 were trading at about an all-time high of 44 times earnings, based on Yale professor Robert Shiller's measure, which tracks prices compared with 10-year earnings and adjusts for inflation. That compares with a long-run average of about 16.

Buying at those kinds of values, "you'd better believe you're going to get dismal returns for a considerable chunk of time," said Mr. Grantham, whose firm predicted 10 years ago that the S&P 500 likely would lose nearly 2% a year in the 10 years through 2009.

Despite the woeful returns this decade, stocks today aren't a steal. The S&P is trading at a price-to-earnings ratio of about 20 on Mr. Shiller's measure.

Mr. Grantham thinks U.S. large-cap stocks are about 30% overpriced, which means returns should be about 30% less than their long-term average for the next seven years. That means returns of just 1.6% a year before adding in inflation.

Another hurdle for the stock market has been the decline in dividends that began in the late 1980s.

Over the long term, dividends have played an important role in helping stocks achieve a 9.5% average annual return since 1926. But since that year, the average yield on S&P 500 stocks was roughly 4%. This decade it has averaged about 1.8%, said North Carolina State's Mr. Jones.

That difference "doesn't sound like much," said Mr. Jones, "but you've got to make it up through price appreciation." Unless dividends rise back toward their long-term averages, Mr. Jones thinks investors may need to lower expectations. Rather than the nearly 10% a year that has been the historical average, stocks may be good for only about 7%.

Granted, this doesn't include compound interest and dividends, which changes things considerably, but it also doesn't include inflation. But just the nominal growth itself going down like that is certainly disappointing. To be fair, the 90's was clearly a massive bubble that needed to adjust and it absolutely did adjust downward (as it should have) in 2000 and 2001.

All this means is it's a fantastic time to buy, and I can only wonder what'll be the next bubble. Energy? Aerospace?
 

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Everybody has always laughed at me and given me crap for my very conservative investments over the last decade. They were all telling me how they were making 30% a year blah blah blah. Then there was a market crash and they would lose everything they had made and then some. I am still up over the decade, and nicely.
 

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Granted, this doesn't include compound interest and dividends, which changes things considerably, but it also doesn't include inflation. But just the nominal growth itself going down like that is certainly disappointing. To be fair, the 90's was clearly a massive bubble that needed to adjust and it absolutely did adjust downward (as it should have) in 2000 and 2001.

All this means is it's a fantastic time to buy, and I can only wonder what'll be the next bubble. Energy? Aerospace?

Is it a fantastic time to buy if the predictions of a big crash yet to come are right?
 

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All this means is it's a fantastic time to buy
Article says stocks are still overpriced. And I've read elsewhere that even with a 10 year historical earnings they are still overpriced (ignoring the temporary P/E ratios which are like 80 or 100 or something silly, but this is of less meaning since we're in a recession).

Objectively following the most reliable historical data stocks are currently overpriced.
 

Zebo

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It also doesn't include companies who drop to zero (hows that Lehman investment fair?) or those who fall off an index fund which totally distorts stocks performance.

The next bubble is the granddaddy of them all the government bubble. When half of GDP is government spending and half of that is debt any retraction will crush economy.
 

Zebo

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I've known stock suck since about 13 when I made ~5k over a summer with $500 invested mowing lawns. Granted my dad charged me 33% interest on mower and trimmer (his comment was, don't like it go to bank) but I still made out pretty well.
 

Genx87

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I read this article yesterday. It had bar graphs showing how each decade performed since the 1820s. There was a pretty good pattern of bubbles and busts. The 1920s saw very high appreciation followed by the 1930s -.2% return. Preceeding the 2000s -.5% return were the 1980s which was like 16.7% and the 1990s which was I believe 17.6% returns. We had 20 years of a hot stock market. Clearly we are still feeling the affects of the bubble bursting.

What I think we need to look at is where is the next bubble and where will it burst? The housing market and financial sector just imploded. That will most likely take years to iron out. Right now I am looking at a big govt bubble brewing as the last 8 years have seen unprecedented growth in that sector.
 

Fern

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Some other things to watch out for (or reasons to be cautious)

1. High unemployment and cuts in pay or overtime etc means fewer dollars going into 401(k) plans. That means less demand driving stock prices higher. P/E ratios and the like are all good etc, but you can't get around demand driving prices up. I think excess demand helped push stock prices up, that's changed for the time being.

2. More people hitting retirement years where they will be drawing down their investment portfolio to fund retirement. I.e., less demand (or selling will exert downward pressure on stock prices). Retirees will also generally start shifting assets out of stocks/equities and into bond/debt, even more downward pressure on stock prices.

Fern
 

Zebo

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Some other things to watch out for (or reasons to be cautious)

1. High unemployment and cuts in pay or overtime etc means fewer dollars going into 401(k) plans. That means less demand driving stock prices higher. P/E ratios and the like are all good etc, but you can't get around demand driving prices up. I think excess demand helped push stock prices up, that's changed for the time being.

2. More people hitting retirement years where they will be drawing down their investment portfolio to fund retirement. I.e., less demand (or selling will exert downward pressure on stock prices). Retirees will also generally start shifting assets out of stocks/equities and into bond/debt, even more downward pressure on stock prices.

Fern

True on both counts. And 3 - people losing faith in market after years of paltry return and no dividend payouts anymore. Some people can time market and invest in individual stocks but most don't and most are relegated to mutual and their shitty returns.

I don't understand how you think P/E ratios are good. It's a been a long time since college and things may have changed but 70-100 is no where near what I was told is good e.g. less than 10.
 

Zebo

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Write the business plan and we can meet. I don't just turn over money to men 2500 miles away who bonus out 75% of gross profits. e.g. stock market.
 

ProfJohn

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So much for the trickle down theory... Time to pray for a recovery.
You're like a broken record.

Trickle down is mainly a theory about government revenue and not about economic growth in general.

I don't think you can find anyone who would make the argument that tax cuts are bad for the economy.
 

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Everybody has always laughed at me and given me crap for my very conservative investments over the last decade. They were all telling me how they were making 30% a year blah blah blah. Then there was a market crash and they would lose everything they had made and then some. I am still up over the decade, and nicely.

This is so silly I don't know where to begin. Nobody lost "everything they had made and then some" if they invested over full the decade. Lets just say that someone who had, say, started off with a $100,000 investment, adding $10,000/year to that investment and earned 25%/year for 10 years. However, the last year they lost 50% of that investment (which most probably did last year), they would still come out with an ending value of $673,491. Now, compare the same scenario but instead with your "conservative investment" return of 5%/year (remember, the safe investment doesn't lose any value that final year) you are left with $320,205. In the end, who has more money? Here is a hint, it ain't you.
 

Zebo

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Take that same hundred - buy a McDonalds (with a 900K loan) net profit out about 300K a year and in 10 years sell for 1.5 million. These are real numbers corn I have a friend who owns 3.
 

Zebo

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Well, 2000-2005 was the best 5 years for me personally. So the data is wrong :p

You must have excellent timing. My 403b was the same over the last 10 years. I stopped investing in it in 2002 when I quit working. Without up to 10% match I knew even then it was a waste of money. If I had talent at picking next microsoft maybe not but I don't.
 
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You must have excellent timing. My 403b was the same over the last 10 years. I stopped investing in it in 2002 when I quit working.

Well, alot went on. Got laid off 3x and having to pull money out of retirement account was the worst of it. But, paid off $29k in credit debt and now live debt free, got a better job, and bought some seriously undervalued stock. All in all it changed the way I live financially.