<$2000 Business Computer

[ZL1]

Originally posted by: Mr Bob
I think I would need another SATA card to do a raid 5...

Thanks for the link Dave. We will be purchasing one of those today.

thats why I said get external, believe me I know what Im talking about, raid is great, but you go into crazy expenses, first you think well raid 1, then you think raid 5 (more $$ for hdd and card) then you think card gotta be good (lots of $$) it gets crazy, believe me Ive been thinking raid many times, but every time I add it up it gets quite expensive while a good max one touch aint that much and it comes with decent automated soft


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[Mr Bob]

Still wondering, is it worth the extra $18 to get http://hardcorecooling.us/inde...IEWPROD&amp;ProdID=462 instead of two of http://www.newegg.com/app/view...description=20-144-305

 

[ZL1]

Originally posted by: Mr Bob
Still wondering, is it worth the extra $18 to get http://hardcorecooling.us/inde...IEWPROD&amp;ProdID=462 instead of two of http://www.newegg.com/app/view...description=20-144-305

you are building a business machine alright, still set on that windowed case are ya ?


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[Mr Bob]

nope, still looking for suggestions. I asked why that one case was good, but I still havent received a good answer.

 

[ZL1]

Originally posted by: Mr Bob
nope, still looking for suggestions. I asked why that one case was good, but I still havent received a good answer.

which case did you ask about ?

ps: my previous message was sarcastic, on the ram deal choose a 3rd



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[Mr Bob]

what 3rd?

it was the artec case that two people suggested

 

[ZL1]

Originally posted by: Mr Bob
what 3rd?

it was the artec case that two people suggested

my suggestion for one or shady's suggestion

antec case ? if you dont like that one, go to www.antec.com and pick a different model



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[DaveSimmons]

The Sonata? Decent power supply, 120mm fan mounts (much quieter than 80mm fans), grommets for the hard drive cage cuts vibration noise.

Another good choice is to buy the Antec SLK3000 or SLK3700AMB and put in the power supply of your choice. I now have a Zalman quiet 400watt in my SLK3700 and it really is quiet.

You can add an intake 120mm fan for cooling the hard drives better, but it's not really needed uless you put in 4 drives like I did in my music server box. I used a low-speed, essentially silent Nexus fan from www.SiliconAcoustics.com (about $20 each). You could also use these for the exhaust fan to make the system quieter than with the Antec stock fans.

 

[philler]

the hardware looks fine to me(for a business machine), but the case is rather bad.. if i were you i would by the lian-li-PC1100...a really nice, extrem lownoise and designer quality case... and yet it's not that expensive..

my regards..
Philip

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: nick1985

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: shady06
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=20-146-299&amp;depa=0

use that for ram

I can promise you MUSHKIN has compatabilty problems. Crucial works with any motherboard you throw at it.
GUARENTEED.

HAHAHA! this is the worst advice i have ever heard. :thumbsdown:

No, I has been doccumented.
I have seen it first hand, in the real world. I also have proof to back up my claim the crucual is the most compatable ram and they guarentee it or your money back.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Mr Bob
Still wondering, is it worth the extra $18 to get http://hardcorecooling.us/inde...IEWPROD&amp;ProdID=462 instead of two of http://www.newegg.com/app/view...description=20-144-305

RAM, can be one of your biggest headaches. GEIL and Generic brands are ones to seer clear of for now.
Go with Cricual, Corsair or Kingston since they have a proven track record for reliablity and quality.

 

[Googer]

You choice of case is fine, Those details dont matter quite that much, and are a matter of budget, needs, and personal taste. Its noting technical so it should not be discussed in this forum.


Do your self a favor bob and get your ram from crucial. I have replaced ram for people who were having problems with 3rd party brands (generic) and saw them go away.

 

[Googer]

Taken directly from crucial.com

Confused about which memory upgrade you need?
Eliminate the hassle and risk of getting the wrong memory ? guaranteed or your money back! In just 3 easy steps our Memory Advisor? tool will show you exactly the right upgrade for your computer.

http://www.crucial.com/index.asp

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: Mr Bob
I am trying to piece together a computer that is less than $2000 w/ a 19"/20" LCD Flat Panel Monitor. This will be a business machine, and will not need a lot of graphics card power.

The computer will not be used for games, but will be using video editing software. The case needs to be durable, long lasting, and not cheaply made. It has to run fast, the P4 @ 3.0ghz is most likely fast enough.

This is a system that will not be upgraded for a long time. The parts need to last long.

Comments &amp; suggestions are welcome. I would like to change a few things around in order to bring the price down. Will this configuration work? Is there something better for the money? Keep in mind that I do not want to use raid, or a water cooling system.

I shopped around for a bit, read a few reviews here and there, and this is what I have put together:
Price: $121.00 Motherboard: ASUS P4P800-E Deluxe
Price: $185.00 CPU: Intel Pentium 4/ 3.0E GHz 800MHz FSB, 1MB L2 Cache, Hyper Threading Technology
Price: $286.09 RAM: PC3200 1GB(2x512MB) Dual-Channel Optimized 400MHz - CAS 2.0 - Ultra Performance Chips
Price: $64.00 1st Drive CD RW: Sony CRX320AU DVD 16x + CD-RW 52x32x52 Combo Drive Retail
Price: $82.00 2nd Drive DVD RW: 171017Pioneer DVR108BK 16X Dual Layer DVD Bare Drive (Black)
Price: $155.99 Keyboard/Mouse: Logitech diNovo Media Desktop
Price: $175.06 1st Hard Drive: Westen Digital 74GB Raptor
Price: $112.00 2nd Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 ST3160827AS 160GB Serial ATA 7200RPM Hard Drive w/8MB Buffer
Price: $184.82 Video Card: ATI 128MB AGP Video Card with RADEON 9800 PRO 3D Chip
Price: $159.00 Case w/ PS: ASPIRE X-Navigator Silver/Black Aluminum ATX Mid-Tower Case with side window and 500W PS
Price: $749.00 Monitor: UltraSharp 2001FP 20.1-inch Flat Panel LCD Monitor with Height Adjustable Stand
Price: $10.99 Floppy: SONY Black 1.44MB 3.5inch Floppy Disk Drive

Where to start. First, business PC, only one? If more, call Dell and get an account rep. Business deals will cut the prices.

Do not buy hardware without knowing the editing suites requirements. Find out now as it is important. Firewire is required by most and you need to make sure that is covered.

Get a 3.2 or 3.4E for video. Get rid of the Flat Panel and get a good CRT as the color is more correct. A LCD may not have a wide enough gamut, but it may depend on the what kind of video. You might be able to even get a NTSC monitor, but that will require a NLE card that supports it. Buy 3 WD 250 SATA drives. A 160 is too small for video editing.

On the video card, know the editor first. Some use a custom card, some need nothing special. A 9600XT may be more than enough. If you are doing 1080i HDV with a certain NLE, a X800 Pro might be more in line.

Onboard audio may not work here. I have a Creative Audigy 2 ZS as ASIO is part of my audio capture component. It also helps with my audio editing (Sound Forge 7).

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Mr Bob
It has always come off as Intel being a better choice for a business machine, and AMD better for gaming.

When this 64 bit version of windows comes out, there will only be a few people using it. Most people will not upgrade their entire machine to use this, just because of how expensive it would be to switch everything to a 64 bit processor.

I don't it would be a wise decision to use a 64 bit processor now, hoping that it would be better for the long term when window's 64 bit os comes out. Most people won't upgrade their computers, I know I won't...

WHY is intel a better choice for business machines? Are you going to argue it is more stable?

 

[Mr Bob]

No, I a going to argue my opinion, which from experience has been "It has always come off as Intel being a better choice for a business machine, and AMD better for gaming. "

Most servers and business computers are intel.

 

[dguy6789]

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. AMD has ALWAYS made better buisiness processors. Go Athlon 64. AMD has been better in gaming and buisiness apps for I dont know how long, and how these people have missed that is beyond me.

The ONLY reason businesses dont use amd, is they "know and trust" Intel. Many people havent even heard of amd.

 

[Googer]

The only reason Intel is used in more machines is because they have the largest market share. Most buisness buy from DELL, and DELL is Intel only. There is the reason. AMD is a superior design vs Intel prescott.


If you insist on Intel go With Pentium M, there are a few desktop boards out there supporting it. I would say theat Pentim M is a formidable challanger to AMD 64 in the 32 bit market. It would be cheaper to go 64bit Hardware now rather than later, since they are 100% compatable with 32 bit.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: dguy6789
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. AMD has ALWAYS made better buisiness processors. Go Athlon 64. AMD has been better in gaming and buisiness apps for I dont know how long, and how these people have missed that is beyond me.

The ONLY reason businesses dont use amd, is they "know and trust" Intel. Many people havent even heard of amd.

Give factual reasons, not opinions. Please be able to back that claim up.

 

[Mr Bob]

The ONLY reason businesses dont use amd, is they "know and trust" Intel. Many people havent even heard of amd.
- If a business has not heard of AMD, they need to rethink about what they are doing.

dguy6789
- Most business use Intel because they make something that they know will stay in good shape.

Thanks Googer, I still think I will use the AMD, it seems to be a better chip performance wise, and the fact that it is 64 bit, it would be better for us in the long run. You've been a great help, thanks

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: dguy6789
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. AMD has ALWAYS made better buisiness processors. Go Athlon 64. AMD has been better in gaming and buisiness apps for I dont know how long, and how these people have missed that is beyond me.

The ONLY reason businesses dont use amd, is they "know and trust" Intel. Many people havent even heard of amd.

Give factual reasons, not opinions. Please be able to back that claim up.

These are not opinions. These are facts. The Athlons have ALWAYS OWNED any Pentium 4 in business app.


http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...oc.aspx?i=2275&amp;p=6

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1834&amp;p=6

Im surprised you didnt know that. It is COMMON KNOWLEDGE that Athlon XPs/64s are better than P4s in business apps.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Mr Bob
The ONLY reason businesses dont use amd, is they "know and trust" Intel. Many people havent even heard of amd.
- If a business has not heard of AMD, they need to rethink about what they are doing.

dguy6789
- Most business use Intel because they make something that they know will stay in good shape.

Thanks Googer, I still think I will use the AMD, it seems to be a better chip performance wise, and the fact that it is 64 bit, it would be better for us in the long run. You've been a great help, thanks

Your Welcome my Friend!

Did you get the e-mail I sent you? It was a fictional Invoice from newegg.com for 2 grand I setup a complete opteron system with 2 processors, TWO 74gb raptor hard drives, A Tyan motherboard, 4gb of Corsair RAM, custom PSU for a dual CPU Motherboard, large tower case, Sapphire 9600 agp Video card, a 200gb SATA Seagate Hard Drive, Pioneer DVD-DL RW-/+, complete with WINDOWS XP PRO SP1a, and a logitech keyboard and mouse pro for 2,154.25. It has TWO PROCESSORS you will get killer perfomance in photoshop and multi-tasking with a SMP Dual Processor system. Let me know.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: dguy6789

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: dguy6789
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. AMD has ALWAYS made better buisiness processors. Go Athlon 64. AMD has been better in gaming and buisiness apps for I dont know how long, and how these people have missed that is beyond me.

The ONLY reason businesses dont use amd, is they "know and trust" Intel. Many people havent even heard of amd.

Give factual reasons, not opinions. Please be able to back that claim up.

These are not opinions. These are facts. The Athlons have ALWAYS OWNED any Pentium 4 in business app.


http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch...oc.aspx?i=2275&amp;p=6

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1834&amp;p=6

Im surprised you didnt know that. It is COMMON KNOWLEDGE that Athlon XPs/64s are better than P4s in business apps.

It looks like Intel only won only a handfull of the benchmarks, AMD took the rest.

 

[Googer]

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1834&amp;p=6

Im surprised you didnt know that. It is COMMON KNOWLEDGE that Athlon XPs/64s are better than P4s in business apps.

That bench mark is compairing Athlon XP we are talkning about Athlon 64, it smokes the old XP line and blows it in to the dust.


Peace.

 

[Mr Bob]

Googer- I did get the e-mail, thanks for taking the time to write that up. These guys decided they want to wait 1-2 months before they go make their purchase. After all this work...

They wanted to spend $2k with a 19/20 lcd flat panel monitor.

"AMD has ALWAYS made better buisiness processors. "
- Mostly factual

"Many people havent even heard of amd."
- Clearly opinion, most businesses will a hire a knowledgeable IT admin that will build the company's computers. Never have I once seen a company with AMDs, never once. I'm not talking about a small business someone runs from their house. I am talking about an actual business. Everytime, their servers were intel as well.

Can anyone answer this, why is it that most companies run intel based servers? If AMD is so much better (which is shown by the benchmarks) why are they still using all Intel?