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JasonCoder

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Wow. So my desktop is a production environment. But I'm a developer developing software that runs on MS software for my clients. So now it's a development / test environment right?

And I can throw copies of Win 7 on my laptop and kids computers and see how they screw up the system to then practice my break / fix skills. So now those are test environments.

How far do we want to take this? As long as you aren't ebaying keys, sharing with friends / family members and running your publicly traded company with their $200 software package I think MS is fine with your usage.
 
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Oh please. You'll say anything to support your view of how to use it. You gave keys out to your family? And you think this is ok? Seriously? It's for evaluation purposes, as stated in the documentation.

I've used technet before myself to get keys for my own use. I know it's not the way technet is supposed to be used, and if MS found out I would have no recourse but to admit that I was in the wrong. You may never get caught, but don't try to convince us that the way your using technet is the way MS intended, because it's not.
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Wow, calm down. What is your definition of evaluation? I looked through the agreement and can't see one apart from testing purposes which I am. When does it cross from testing to not testing? I assume this is when you use it to produce something, which I don't, so I'm still testing. And I'm not saying this is what MS intended, it's clearly not, I'm just saying it's not against their rules either.

Besides, when I say "family" I'm referring to my wife. All the pc's that have my technet software on them are in my own house. If you don't like that... oh well, I don't really care. At this point everything MS has down on their site does not say anything against installing it at home. Thier only language specifically forbids using it in production enviroments. I even found an article in one of the technet blogs stating how to properly install WHS at home. I can't find it anymore as this was last October when I first signed up but whatever, I know I'm good with them.

FYI - multiple users are allowed with one sub under the same restrictions (see below). Again, this is obviously designed for it pro's but there is nothing in the documentation forbidding home users. If the documentation was changed to specifically ban use at home even in a non production enviroment I would dump it. I have plenty of access to the MS company store through friends and getting free, legal software around here (Seattle) is easy due to play-testing and launch events. I prefer to pay ($267 last year, hopefully ~$150 this year) for the software so I can get it anytime I want and have multiple copies for all 5 of my current pc's, soon to be 6.

TechNet Subscriptions software may be tested to determine the following:

Install/Uninstall – Time and process required for full, partial or upgrade software install/uninstall processes and system integration.
Recovery – Capacity for software to recover from crashes, hardware failures, or other catastrophic problems.
Security – Defining software’s ability to protect against unauthorized internal or external access.
Compatibility – Gauging software performance in existing or new hardware, software, operating system or network environments.
Comparison – Evaluating software to determine product strengths and weaknesses as compared to previous versions or similar products.
Usability – Assessing satisfaction among end users, observing end user utilization and understanding user interaction scenarios.
Performance – Ensuring software will perform as expected to requirements.
Stability – Estimating individual software’s ability to perform consistently, relative to system demands.
Environment – Determining software settings while software is being evaluated by end users in existing infrastructure.
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http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/bb892759.aspx
 
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jjmIII

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I've had two tech net subs. All my keys from each sub still work from my first sub starting in 2007.
For the people on the fence. Its a great deal.

You download the software, then click request key. You may request 10 keys per specific version of an OS. EG I have 10 keys of Windows 7 Ultimate and 10 of Pro, and so on. ( No I haven't claimed that many but I could.) Also once you have claimed all the keys you need they have a feature to export your entire keylist to XML.
DO this before your sub expires! Once your sub expires you may no longer request keys butyour software is "good forever". You may install with any of the keys you requested before the sub expires. Also save the .iso's... You can no longer dled software . So save those .iso's for redistribution.


Honestly with the addition of the "standard package" I am even more convinced MS knows what tech people are doing with these. (EG home use) I've read the terms all it says is for use in a non production environment. I really don't think they consider your home a production environment. In fact as a tech user I am constantly changing things and testing these OS's on VM's etc... I even use them to get more experience with the server side of it for use with MCTIP exams. Just earned my MCITP:SA last week! with the help of technet w00t
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Thanks for the info.
I think your wrong though. Microsoft sets this up for people just like us. I use and repair Microsoft shit all day - evey day! I own storage units, but my "pc biz" is growing more than I even want. I do need to use this MS stuff in order to keep fixing it for their end users. I dont pirate, I re-install and desktop support more than I even want!

I'm gonna jump in for all the right reasons.

I think "the average Anandtech'r" is in a similar boat as mine.
 
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hell people sell the extra keys on ebay which is why you see all those "key only" auctions.
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So that's how people are doing that.

Now I see says the blind Old Hippie!

WoW! Some guy is selling keys for 15.00 - 20.00! :eek:

Double WoW...Some guy on Craigs list in my area is selling them for 10.00!
 
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FYI - multiple users are allowed with one sub under the same restrictions (see below). Again, this is obviously designed for it pro's but there is nothing in the documentation forbidding home users. If the documentation was changed to specifically ban use at home even in a non production enviroment I would dump it. I have plenty of access to the MS company store through friends and getting free, legal software around here (Seattle) is easy due to play-testing and launch events. I prefer to pay ($267 last year, hopefully ~$150 this year) for the software so I can get it anytime I want and have multiple copies for all 5 of my current pc's, soon to be 6.
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Sorry, but that is wrong.
Each and every person that accesses Technet installed software must have their own sub that allows access to that software. So if 5 people plan on testing, (evaluating, or accessing in any manor), you must have 5 technet accounts. Even a one time guest that came over is not allowed to check there webmail or play a game of solitaire, unless they too have a technet account.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/ms772427.aspx

5. Can I use evaluation software received in my TechNet Subscription on my devices in my home?
The TechNet Subscription license terms grant one user the right to install the program software on any devices, including those located at his or her home, but the user must fully comply with all the license terms no matter where the device is located. In other words, one user may install and use the evaluation software, only to evaluate it. You may not use it in a live operating environment, a staging or production environment, or with data that has not been sufficiently backed up. You may not use the evaluation software for software development or in an application development environment.

9. What is the general nature of the terms of the TechNet Subscription End User License Agreement?
The subscription terms vary based on your subscription level and license type. Each subscription is licensed to one person and only the designated subscriber can use evaluation software, support incidents and access the TechNet Benefits Portal – no other users are entitled to use these resources.
 
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batmanuel

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I downloaded the list of software available with the subscription, and noticed that Windows 3.1 was on the list of included software. Is this a different product than what I think it is, or is MS still sending making 3.1 available for businesses? There's also an entry on the list called "3.11 Workgroups Other". None of the other pre-XP OSes are listed, so it's not like they are making every historical version of Windows available.
 
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batmanuel said:
I downloaded the list of software available with the subscription, and noticed that Windows 3.1 was on the list of included software. Is this a different product than what I think it is, or is MS still sending making 3.1 available for businesses? There's also an entry on the list called "3.11 Workgroups Other". None of the other pre-XP OSes are listed, so it's not like they are making every historical version of Windows available.
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I think they simply don't offer software for download that they don't offer normal support on anymore.

I noticed 3.11 available too and thought that was interesting. Some places must be running something on it. Most likely the Federal Reserve and ICBM silos.
 
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wayliff

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Looks like good pricing!

There's always MAPS for people who own businesses.
 
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etrin

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get 3.11 and you can log into that inter net thing.

isn't dos 6.22 listed anymore?



overall if you are upgrading or new machines this is a heck of a deal.
OS and office on 2 machines and you are making money
 
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Spike

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Lanyap said:
Discounts available. Big thanks to Fire2104 at SD.

TECHNET STANDARD 2010 Renewal is 128.75
http://www.costcentral.com/proddetai...0002/11085319/

Microsoft TECHNET STANDARD 2010 $170 + S&H
http://www.costcentral.com/proddetai...85318/froogle/

More:
http://www.costcentral.com/searchres...=technet++2010


Spreadsheet with software listed for standard and pro. (Thanks to FellaTee)
http://download.microsoft.com/downl...E-AA0E-A087CB332A23/TechNet_Product_List.xlsx
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Dang, nice prices on renewels. I'm going to have to call them and see if they will let me renew my pro sub as a standard, will save me alot of money.
 
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batmanuel said:
I downloaded the list of software available with the subscription, and noticed that Windows 3.1 was on the list of included software. Is this a different product than what I think it is, or is MS still sending making 3.1 available for businesses? There's also an entry on the list called "3.11 Workgroups Other". None of the other pre-XP OSes are listed, so it's not like they are making every historical version of Windows available.
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It has to do with the fact that Sun sued Microsoft for bundling many parts of Java with some of their old software. You can't access these parts with Technet, MSDN, Expression, etc because of that.

SQ: Why are some products missing or removed?

A: Microsoft has several different Subscription programs - MSDN, TechNet, and Expression. Based on the target audiences and the intended purposes for these subscriptions, different products may be offered under some program but not others. Decisions to add or remove products are at the discretion of the Subscriptions Business Marketing units, with input from the various product groups.

Some products have been removed from Subscriber Downloads due to the terms of Java-related settlements Microsoft made with Sun Microsystems. These products are no longer available from Microsoft in any form, but may be available through third-party resellers or Web sites.

These include (although not necessarily a comprehensive list): Internet Explorer 5.5, Map Point 2002, Office 2000, Outlook 2000, Project 2000, eMbedded Visual Tools 3.0, Visual Basic (Alpha Systems), Visual Studio 6 MSDE, Visual Studio 6.0, Windows 98, Windows NT 4.0, Back Office Server 2000, SQL Server 7, IIS 6.0, Office XP Developer, Visio 2000, Exchange Server 2000, Exchange Server 5.5, FrontPage 2000 Server Extensions, Handheld PC 2000 SDK, Infrared Communications for Windows 95 DDK, ISA Server 2000, MapPoint 2002, Office 2000, Office 97, Plus! 98, Project 2000, Site Server 3.0, Small Business Server 2000, SNA Server 4.0 Service Pack 3 & Service Pack 4, SQL Server 7.0, System Management Server 2.0, System Stress for Windows 2000, System Stress for Windows NT 4.0, Visio 2000, Visual Basic 5.0, Visual C++ (Alpha Systems), Visual FoxPro 6.0, Visual SourceSafe 6.0c & 6.0d, Visual Studio 6.0, Windows 2000 DDK, Windows 2000 Professional, Windows 2000 Server, Windows 98, Windows 98 DDK, Windows CE SDKs & DDKs, Windows CE Toolkit for Visual C++ 6.0, Windows ME, Windows NT 4.0, Windows NT 4.0 DDK, Windows XP (32bit) SR2 Checked/Debug Build

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/downloads/dd464803.aspx
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Anybody who says they're in permanent "evaluation" mode installing Technet software on their home computer(s) without it being tongue-in-cheek is just fooling themselves. MS isn't going to audit this, and at least giving MS some money is better than outright pirating it from somebody else, but please spare us the self-justification.

My wife is a real bitch, so it's obviously OK to smack her around...
 
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jjmIII

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I placed my order 6/24 but have not gotten my second email with log-in info. Is this normal?
 
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